I try to tell people this all the time. People go on about this 'LGBT Agenda', like there is some universal secret plan that the LGBT community has for some devious purposes, yet as you say most just want acceptance and freedom from the hate and intolerance.
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I try to tell people this all the time. People go on about this 'LGBT Agenda', like there is some universal secret plan that the LGBT community has for some devious purposes, yet as you say most just want acceptance and freedom from the hate and intolerance.
It really seems to me that the ones defending this the hardest, seem to be the most ignorant, they ignore anything and everything that refutes them. Like the one John Hopkins doctor, the guy has MANY peer reviews and other accolades, but he's called a right wing **** by certain people here, yet they think they know all. It's just...astounding.
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I saw one post here questioning WHY they are lumped in with them.
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I think going ABOUT it the way you see on the news is the problem, it's the one who scream the loudest that make the rest look bad.
I did not use it as an argument, merely an observation as it relates to young women in puberty and the effect that ignoring their needs for safety and security, in fact, does break down society. Many ideas that are right are used wrongly, that does not make the idea wrong.
Where is the greater harm here, the 100% of women that go through puberty and have to share a bathroom with pedophile pretending to be a woman in the women's bathroom or the minuscule percent of the LGBT community that is required to use the facilities determined by their sex.
Go look up crime statistics in your neighborhood for pedophiles. We live in a good safe neighborhood and still there are registered pedophiles all around us. This thought process is a godsend for a pedophile. its really astounding how little anyone with these ideas care about young women that we should do everything possible to protect.
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No male that is the least bit stable cares one bit about a female or transgender female using the male facilities. Want to make a law that this is ok, fine by me. But don't force my non-adult daughters to have to deal with perverts in the restroom just for the sake of some adult feeling good about themselves.
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Your simply conveniently ignoring what happens when male pedophiles and other degenerates have free access to the women's restroom and there is no longer any laws to protect the women. There the 15 year old female is, pants pulled down and the degenerate stands on the commode and looks over the stall, then smiles. Then while exiting the restroom, he just smiles at the guard and says, "I think I am a women so I am".
You want support for this figure out a way to make it happen without the wide open opportunity for abuse. There are far more pedophiles than LGBT individuals. Lets have more family bathrooms, or even make them a requirement. Make all single stall bathrooms gender neutral. etc. etc. There are many ways other than mandating that any male can walk into a female bathroom if he thinks he is a female.
No one cares who uses the male bathroom.
Once this applies to bathrooms then it will apply to change rooms, shower room, gym locker rooms etc.
I'm not referring to middle eastern countries - I'm referring to America (which I'm sure you know - no need to be snarky).
I worry about being fired from my job if my boss finds out I'm gay
I worry about being beat up in many parts of our country for being gay.
Black's still have a difficult time finding jobs because of the color of their skin and are often treated badly at work. I had a black boss and the way his white bosses treated him was appalling. And very subtle, so not easy to sue for racial discrimination.
anti-Semitic crimes have been on an up rise recently.
If you don't have these fears then you have a privilege that I don't (except for the black one - I'm white so I do have white privilege). We need to clean our own house before we start complaining about other countries. I'ts clear to me that many here don't understand what privilege means. I hope some of you do some research and learn.
This is laughable. There's a pedophile in your imagination preying on young women, and the thing you want him arrested for is using the wrong locker room?
Compared to the numbers of trans people this would affect, the number of pedophiles who would try to take advantage of it is so small that we don't even have a case study. To answer your question, the greater harm is still to the transgender folks.
I wholeheartedly support protecting kids from pedophiles, but it's pretty low to conflate transgender people with pedophiles. It's exactly the kind of broken logic that people used to argue against racial integration and gay rights (one of "them" might rape your daughter or son if we recognize their rights).
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Yeah, if someone is standing on the commode leering at the 15-year-old, she should be arrested whether she's a trans woman or a cis-woman. Why are you letting the cis-woman off the hook? When she passes the gender-check guard at the bathroom entrance she can say "I'm a biological female, so you can't do anything."
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I remember once passing by the women's restroom when I worked in a big office building. The door was briefly open as a co-worker walked out (rather hurriedly). What wafted out after her...let's just say my eyes weren't watering because I was homesick...
Hmm, you replied to my comment, you quoted my comment, but you didn't answer the question: "If you're so certain that Mac Rumors is leftist, and you so clearly don't like the left... why on earth are you here?" It was a pretty simple and direct question, but the closest you come to an answer is, "and then you tell me". You want me to tell you why you are reading and commenting on this site? Can you not speak for yourself? Or did you just ignore the question, using it as an opportunity for more right-wing conspiracy theory drivel?
Why report this? Here's where I stand on these things: I don't care. Let people live the way they feel is right to them. No point in blasting it in the press only to cause a stir and make people who hate anyone who's different to feel even more hatred. Hated that may lead them to attack someone they perceive to be different. Even going to gay rights, had Apple done much in the last eight years? I can't seem to recall anything. Least Google's done something.
There was this CEO in the news a few weeks back. I forget the sector they were in, but their words were essentially "Talk is cheap. Do something about it." In reference to things like bettering the world for humanity or nature. They brought up Bill and his wife, and how they've actually done something noteworthy with their money. Not like many CEOs who tell a good yarn but do nothing about it. Easier to say things than to actually do them. It's something we teach children when they're in primary school. I expected many to grow out of it and actually follow it. Sadly, that isn't the case.
There was this CEO in the news a few weeks back. I forget the sector they were in, but their words were essentially "Talk is cheap. Do something about it." In reference to things like bettering the world for humanity or nature. They brought up Bill and his wife, and how they've actually done something noteworthy with their money. Not like many CEOs who tell a good yarn but do nothing about it. Easier to say things than to actually do them. It's something we teach children when they're in primary school. I expected many to grow out of it and actually follow it. Sadly, that isn't the case.
What of the right to a woman not to have to share a bathroom with a man just because he self-identifies as transgendered? Why should the rights of the majority be thrown away?
And so what if a transgendered person uses the bathroom that matches their parts? How does making a person with male parts who identifies as a woman use a bathroom for people with male parts infringe on the transgendered person's rights?
I don't know where you sit on the political spectrum, but do you think that the KKK for example represent the whole of the right? Or that extreme left terrorists represent the whole left?
It is fairly childish letting a small number of people define the whole of a segment of people.
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The idea is to make it easier for transgendered people to fit in. Thus if their outward appearance if of a man, to use the male toilets, and vice versa.
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And what you think that transgender people using the bathrooms that suit their outward appearance is going to mean that pedophiles can do what ever they want in a bathroom?
If someone is being a pervert (being it a man in mans bathroom, a woman in a mans bathroom, a man in a women's bathroom or a women in a women's bathroom) then they are going to be arrested. Saying 'I'm transgendered' does not and will not give anyone a free pass to sexually abuse/assault/whatever.
Transgender is the "T" of LGBT. Sure, it's not LGB
And what you say about delusions is totally contrary to established medical knowledge for many years. Established medical practice is to adjust the body. Because there is no "delusion".
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I don't know which judge it was who said "I know it when I see it".
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Well, one of them talked about seeing penises in the lady's bathroom, so clearly that person has a habit of trying to look at people's genitals and doesn't want any surprises. There must be things going on in lady's bathrooms that I didn't expect.
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Leviticus is part of the old testament which is outdated, abolished, not valid, since Jesus appeared. Quote:
"Many Christians have a peculiar obsession with Leviticus and the subject of homosexuality. Unwilling to accept the clear statements of scripture, they insist that Jewish Law applies to everyone, from creation to eternity. This belief, held by many Christians, is absolutely contrary to what scripture actually says.
The Bible is crystal clear. Leviticus and the Holiness Code are for the children of Israel.
They are not for Christians"
That's the funniest thing i ever heard. God was cristal clear about homosexuality. Leviticus was abolished? Lol when and how? Jesus and New Testament says nothing about leviticus is invalid. No actual Christian church accept homosexuality. Don't dream dude, don't try to force really. Its super clear: god do not want homosexuals....Im atheist anyway and i dont care ppl sexuality at all but plz dont LIE.
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Except u r an aramaic expert, depend on the source of the translation u use.
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Yeah a couple of mentions in the bible (with is compromised given translations etc) are "crystal clear". If it was that big of an issue, it would have been a teaching of Jesus. But no actually Jesus taught acceptance and love. Plenty of Christian denominations accept homosexuality. Even the Catholic Church accepts that some people are homosexual (but teaches these people are to remain celibate. You have no idea what you're talking about.
Can two homosexuals get married in any Catholic, Jewish or Islamic Church? No? Why not? All of them are abrahamic religions and all of them are based on levitcs. Please read more. Lets talk with arguments, no ideals. Again, im atheist.
Do you understand the difference between Catholicism and other christian denominations?
Homosexuals getting married and outright rejection of homosexuals (like you suggested) is a completely different story.
If you're an atheist, perhaps your understanding of Christianity is a bit lacking.
I'm also sick and tired of companies getting into politics. Corporate interest is already way overrepresented there - we don't need them to start defining society on top of it. Democracy is for the people, not the companies. Stay the hell out of it! People should really start punishing companies that are trying to tell them what to do and how to be / think / live.
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Yes dud i understand better than you, that's clear. No real church will marry homosexuals. Roman, protestant, lutheran, orthodox, jewish, islamic, just name it. none of them is even close 2 do it. Why? All of them respect the 613 mitzvoth that God gave as an order and since he never came again to change or stop these rules, all abrahamics religions do not accept gays, unfortunately. Yes, a few very minoritary christians do, only cause they are small and need members to join cause more means more benefit $ u know what i mean? Now if you wanna mKe religion to fit with your needs and u take what u want, okay that's different. God was clear about gays and he never talked again to change it. Being Christian is a very vage term that mens the one who follow Christ. He was jewish rabbi and he never ever said anything about change the 613 mitzvoth that his father God, ordered to respect. No reason to change it, still being God's word and until God speaks again about thiz still being valid.
Romans 1:26-27
God gave the men who abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error ---- Explain this and levitics....if u can
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One more time with feeling.
Other people having rights, doesn't have any effect on your own.
If you think letting gay people, trans people etc have rights somehow interferes with your rights.
Well you are just a giant self centered (string of curse words).
"oh golly gosh what will I tell my children"
You will parent them. Same sex people kissing in public is the least difficult topic you will have to deal with as a parent. Enforcing your worldview on same sex couples to avoid a difficult parent-child conversation, well that is self centered and a whole lot of curse words. All of them describing you.
"but what about trans people in the bathrooms! They could use that as an excuse to do sexual things or something"
You have been using the bathroom with trans and gay people your whole life. Why is this suddenly an issue? Was there a worldwide epidemic of trans bathroom stall vandalism sprees? No?
Whatever is going on with the junk of the person in the stall next to you is not your business anyway!
You dont like gay marriage, dont get same sex married.
You dont like trans people, don't be trans.
It is that simple.
Get over your sense of entitlement to decide other peoples lives.
I can't believe it is 2017 and this is still an issue.
Other people having rights, doesn't have any effect on your own.
If you think letting gay people, trans people etc have rights somehow interferes with your rights.
Well you are just a giant self centered (string of curse words).
"oh golly gosh what will I tell my children"
You will parent them. Same sex people kissing in public is the least difficult topic you will have to deal with as a parent. Enforcing your worldview on same sex couples to avoid a difficult parent-child conversation, well that is self centered and a whole lot of curse words. All of them describing you.
"but what about trans people in the bathrooms! They could use that as an excuse to do sexual things or something"
You have been using the bathroom with trans and gay people your whole life. Why is this suddenly an issue? Was there a worldwide epidemic of trans bathroom stall vandalism sprees? No?
Whatever is going on with the junk of the person in the stall next to you is not your business anyway!
You dont like gay marriage, dont get same sex married.
You dont like trans people, don't be trans.
It is that simple.
Get over your sense of entitlement to decide other peoples lives.
I can't believe it is 2017 and this is still an issue.
No you don't. You've again missed the point - you're talking about marriage, not acceptance of the homosexual condition.
Again god was not clear on homosexuality. If "God was clear" Jesus would have had a strong teaching on the issue. Yet there is literally no mention in the New Testament, besides in one of Paul's letters (which I believe that mention is not certain due to translation). In the whole bible there are so few mentions of homosexuality, and given the number of translations and writers etc in the bible, I don't see it as being overly important. There are certain things that come up a lot in the Bible and this is not one of them.
Almost the entirety of your argument comes off the basis of a Leviticus passage, and I don't know many Christian denominations who follow the majority of what is in Leviticus. The Old Testament is the old convent and while a fair amount of it is the basis for Christianity, a lot of it is not followed and ignored. That is the point of Christianity.
And again, judgment, condemning people etc is against Jesus's teachings.
I'll be sure to pass on to my Quaker friends, that they are not a real church.
I saw this and thought of some people here.
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The thing is America has a lobbying system. Most of the time these lobbies are secretive, so it's refreshing (to me) to see them doing this publicly.
Basically you're not mad at Apple for doing this, you're mad because maybe you don't like trans people. Because you're not mad at Apple for having a marketing department or for having a CEO that speaks up on issues that (as a gay man) might affect him or his friends.
Democracy includes companies too, their bosses are allowed to make statements and show support using the name of the company they own.
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I really hate to tell you this but companies that sell products or services are telling you how to live. They're giving you aspirations, when you walk past a shop and see a product in a window, that's the company trying to tell you to buy it. They're telling you what you think. Marketing is about getting under your skin and making you believe you need an item in order to fit in, or be sexy, or any other aspiration.
The thing is America has a lobbying system. Most of the time these lobbies are secretive, so it's refreshing (to me) to see them doing this publicly.
Basically you're not mad at Apple for doing this, you're mad because maybe you don't like trans people. Because you're not mad at Apple for having a marketing department or for having a CEO that speaks up on issues that (as a gay man) might affect him or his friends.
Democracy includes companies too, their bosses are allowed to make statements and show support using the name of the company they own.
I just want to know when Apple is going to remove the male/female voice option for Siri. Who are we to decide the gender identity of an artificial intelligence?
Because you say they aren't? Science certainly disagrees with you.
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50% of the US didn't agree with giving black people the right to vote. You're on the wrong side of history (I'm guessing again). And I'm calling it like I see it.
My maternal grandmother grew up in abject poverty the likes of which few if any poster on this message board has experienced or maybe even seen. She's been gone a long time now but I'd like to see this concept of "white privilege" explained to her.