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And no, with your explanation, the product is ad space, not the users.

Part of the product is ad space. Ad space without an audience is worthless. They are selling ad space bundled with a large audience of millions of eyeballs (us), plus the knowledge they have from scanning our Gmail, our Google+ posts, our Google search activity, and every other Google service (our data).

Apple's revenue is almost entirely from us and not from advertisers. Google's revenue is almost entirely from advertisers. This results in very different motivations and very different customer service.

Let's take for example, the Nexus One. When Google sold this, there was no phone support, no email support, no support whatsoever. You could order your phone, receive a nonworking unit, and literally have no way to contact service about it, because there was no such thing.

This is in stark contrast to people with Adsense accounts (advertisers), who did in fact have access to all the normal forms of customers support. Advertisers had far superior access to customer service because they are Google's revenue stream.

With Apple we have telephone support, chat support, walk-in retail support, and on-site support. We are the customers.

Anyway, I hate that I've been drawn into an argument on the Internet. We've both wasted time on this. I use services and products from both companies and like both of them, but I am able to recognize the fundamental differences. If you want to be really obtuse you can pretend they are exactly the same. I don't care.
 
Why? 9/10 exclusives are the reason WHY we choose a platform or WHY a game is so special.

90's gaming was brilliant because you had exclusives; now we have awful ports of games made for one platform and ported to others.

I hate modern day gamers.

I get your point, and I disagree with exclusives on mobile platforms because games on mobile platforms are largely just time killers anyway - there are the exceptions of course but for the most part they're just casual setups.

That said, console exclusives nowadays are great. Uncharted, Heavy Rain, God of War, inFamous, Titanfall + more still to come.

Console exclusives are great because they mean that developers can use 100% of that console's juice and resources to make it look fantastic.

90% of mobile games will run perfectly on most of the mid-high range handsets from the past year or so, and because of that I don't really see a reason for exclusives in that department.
 
Games are one of the top attractors for a platform.

This is one reason PC had far more games than Mac.

Consider also the game industry is worth BILLIONS .

I think Apple needs far more investment to game (entertainment) projects.

The reason PC attracted more games is also because of hardware progression. Apple has always controlled the hardware in their computers far more stringently, and the hardware has always been behind the PC equivalent.

iMacs still use laptop graphics cards to power desktop computers. They work fine for your average consumer, but someone who plays games is never going to opt for a Mac over a PC, because they're always going to be playing with lower framerates.

Unless you're going to have an exclusive need for iOS programs (iMovie, Final Cut etc), as a gamer Macs don't really make sense. Apple has made it pretty clear that gaming is not something that's of a priority to them. Both platforms have strengths and weaknesses, gaming is one of Apple's weaknesses (PC gaming anyway).
 
So I am going to assume that the many on here never ever watch a free TV or sattelite channel then? Because they are supported by advertising. That is your argument you are using.

You are NOT the product with Google, all Google does is target adverts at you based on your likes and dislikes, it's how it get's it's revenue. You are the customer of the advertising companies.

Facebook is the one that uses your data, it will let potential employers scour your complete profile before you go for that job interview, something Google would never do.

And considering the amount of information various government departments will have on you all and the amount they monitor your every move 24/7, Google is but a baby in data collection.

And Apple will do the same, iADs... they are pushing it more because they want ad revenue, they want you to see adverts when you use your iOS devices.
It comes down to what is being sold. Google is selling your information to advertisers. Apple is selling you hardware. MSFT is selling you software. Three different models of business. Google's hardware and software are for the purpose of selling ads. MSFT's hardware is for the purpose of selling software. Apple's software is for the purpose of selling hardware.
 
It comes down to what is being sold. Google is selling your information to advertisers. Apple is selling you hardware. MSFT is selling you software. Three different models of business. Google's hardware and software are for the purpose of selling ads. MSFT's hardware is for the purpose of selling software. Apple's software is for the purpose of selling hardware.

True to a point, but...

...as it's been stated previously for the last couple of years, Google doesn't sell your information. They sell adspace. Like billboard advertisers on the internet. Yeah, they datamine, but they don't hand that information off to the highest bidder. The information they're holding on to is worth too much just to get rid of it so everyone else can use it. Instead, they say "hey, we know where to put your product where it'll get the most attention. You pay us, and we'll use what we know to advertise it for you effectively.

It's the way air TV has worked for about decades now.
 
Perhaps you should take off your google blinkers and research what data google collects and uses to make its money. Google mines your data there i said it now for the proof. To google you are the product.

http://royal.pingdom.com/2010/01/08/how-google-collects-data-about-you-and-the-internet/

You posted a link showing how Google collectes data - Apple collect data as well and use it for iAd - I cant see what your point is.

You keep saying "To Google you are the product" - You still havent explained how Google have made money out of me.
 
Part of the product is ad space. Ad space without an audience is worthless. They are selling ad space bundled with a large audience of millions of eyeballs (us), plus the knowledge they have from scanning our Gmail, our Google+ posts, our Google search activity, and every other Google service (our data).

Audience is not being sold, the only ****ing thing being sold is AD SPACE, it is not you, it is not your information.
 
If they provide services for free that folk want in great numbers how is that a problem...

Let me guess tho that you would be more than fine with every man, woman and child the world over carrying a small mobile.device with a fruit on the back..

Nope not at all. I think you went way overboard with that assumption. I, like many others, just get slightly annoyed some of google's bs acquisitions and just generally making publicity stunts out of this or that. It's just seems a little overboard for a search engine/mobile OS company. Sure, some of their online services work great, no one can deny-and their maps are awesome. I'm talking about the silly **** like google glasses and wifi blimps-stuff like that. Lets not forget that just about every time apple comes out with anything, a google powered device has their version of it that typically comes out just before or after an apple announcement-seemingly being designed as competition with apple rumors. Don't get me wrong, competition is great, google just annoys me. It's really that simple. I don't want everyone with an apple device in their pocket. That would be boring. Can't i just be slightly annoyed with google and not want apple total world dominance ?
 
You posted a link showing how Google collectes data - Apple collect data as well and use it for iAd - I cant see what your point is.

You keep saying "To Google you are the product" - You still havent explained how Google have made money out of me.

Google mine your data and use it to sell advertising is that really difficult for you to comprehend.

As for Apple collecting data as well can you provide proof to back up your claim.
 
Google mine your data and use it to sell advertising is that really difficult for you to comprehend.

As for Apple collecting data as well can you provide proof to back up your claim.

Apple also mine your data and use it to sell advertising.

We also collect data in a form that does not, on its own, permit direct association with any specific individual. We may collect, use, transfer, and disclose non-personal information for any purpose. The following are some examples of non-personal information that we collect and how we may use it:

We may collect information such as occupation, language, zip code, area code, unique device identifier, location, and the time zone where an Apple product is used so that we can better understand customer behavior and improve our products, services, and advertising.

We may collect information regarding customer activities on our website, iCloud services, and iTunes Store and from our other products and services. This information is aggregated and used to help us provide more useful information to our customers and to understand which parts of our website, products, and services are of most interest. Aggregated data is considered non-personal information for the purposes of this Privacy Policy

http://www.apple.com/legal/privacy/en-ww/
 
Apple also mine your data and use it to sell advertising.



http://www.apple.com/legal/privacy/en-ww/

We also collect data in a form that does not, on its own, permit direct association with any specific individual. We may collect, use, transfer, and disclose non-personal information for any purpose. The following are some examples of non-personal information that we collect and how we may use it:

NON personal info. Apple does not harvest user data to sell to advertisers the way google do. Google and Apple are in diffrerent bussiness Apple sell hardware/software. Google sell user data to advertisers.
 
We also collect data in a form that does not, on its own, permit direct association with any specific individual. We may collect, use, transfer, and disclose non-personal information for any purpose. The following are some examples of non-personal information that we collect and how we may use it:

NON personal info. Apple does not harvest user data to sell to advertisers the way google do. Google and Apple are in diffrerent bussiness Apple sell hardware/software. Google sell user data to advertisers.

Same Apple link above.

Personal information is data that can be used to identify or contact a single person.

We also use personal information to help us create, develop, operate, deliver, and improve our products, services, content and advertising, and for loss prevention and anti-fraud purposes.

Can you provide any official Google links which are different to Apples privacy policy above to back up your claims?
 
. Google sell user data to advertisers.

When you can post just a link about Google selling user data you will start to be credible, until then you're just spreading FUD

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Can you provide any official Google links which are different to Apples privacy policy above to back up your claims?

I think you will wait a long time before he can back any if his wrong claims
 
Same Apple link above.



Can you provide any official Google links which are different to Apples privacy policy above to back up your claims?

Here you go



Log information

When you use our services or view content provided by Google, we may automatically collect and store certain information in server logs. This may include:

details of how you used our service, such as your search queries.
telephony log information like your phone number, calling-party number, forwarding numbers, time and date of calls, duration of calls, SMS routing information and types of calls.
Internet protocol address.
device event information such as crashes, system activity, hardware settings, browser type, browser language, the date and time of your request and referral URL.
cookies that may uniquely identify your browser or your Google Account.



Local storage

We may collect and store information (including personal information) locally on your device using mechanisms such as browser web storage (including HTML 5) and application data caches.


https://www.google.com/intl/en/policies/privacy/
 
Here you go



Log information

When you use our services or view content provided by Google, we may automatically collect and store certain information in server logs. This may include:

details of how you used our service, such as your search queries.
telephony log information like your phone number, calling-party number, forwarding numbers, time and date of calls, duration of calls, SMS routing information and types of calls.
Internet protocol address.
device event information such as crashes, system activity, hardware settings, browser type, browser language, the date and time of your request and referral URL.
cookies that may uniquely identify your browser or your Google Account.



Local storage

We may collect and store information (including personal information) locally on your device using mechanisms such as browser web storage (including HTML 5) and application data caches.


https://www.google.com/intl/en/policies/privacy/

Thats all very well and good, but where does it say that Google will sell or use this information? :rolleyes:
 
When you can post just a link about Google selling user data you will start to be credible, until then you're just spreading FUD

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I think you will wait a long time before he can back any if his wrong claims

Didnt have to wait long did you lol

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Thats all very well and good, but where does it say that Google will sell or use this information? :rolleyes:

What to heck do you think google are doing with this information after all they even went so far as to break the law and get fined for harvesting data.

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Didnt have to wait long did you lol

Are you really saying that that quote you posted is different from what Apple does? It states tale sane t'hi F Apple dies, that both collect personally information, nothing more, nothing less.

Really, and you call others blind?

And not another picture without any backing? And, by the way that picture doesn't say that Google or Amazon sell user information. Perhaps it's time to back that or shut up
 
And thats an official image that has been released by Google is it?
Come on now, if your going to make these claims, back them up with official evidence. :rolleyes:

I think you are in denial how do you think google make their money why do they spend so much effort harvesting user data. Google make money by using user data to sell to advertisers.

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As I said, you will have to wait a lot before he can back that Google sell user information

https://news.yahoo.com/google-admits-just-much-scans-gmail-223035184.html
 
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Again, where does it say in that article that Google sell your personal information as you are claiming.

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Again, not an official or credible document. I could create exactly the same document but change the word Google for Apple.

Your really clutching at straws now.
 
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