Apple and Others Pen Open Letter to Trump: 'We Are a Nation Made Stronger by Immigrants'

[nutjob]

I can be a racist against myself?????

I am done. You are obviously a racist and want to bring others into your club. You are obviously racist against me because I said I was from (by ancestry) one of these banned countries. Racist bigots like you disgust me.

(/sarcasm See how easily people can throw that stupid overused word around...... And you have almost no defense against it. Even when it isn't true.)

Thank god for that, you're really tedious - none so blind as he who will not see.

 

[martint235]

Your question is irrelevant and purposely worded in a manner that I cannot answer in an attempt to win an argument that you cannot win.

Our immigration policy is a joke. Just because you can come here legally doesn't mean you are needed or a benefit to the nation. Not only do I want an immigration ban on the nations Trump called out, I want a 100% stoppage of all new immigrants to the nation for at least 10 years. We need to deal with the people that are here now before we take in more. I't unmanageable. We will be Germany before we know it, God forbid.

We need to deport all illegal immigrants in jail NOW. That's 30% of federal inmates. We need to fast track the courts to rule on all these absurd asylum hearings. Right now it takes up to 6 years for these hearings to take place, and when they do there is only a 15% appearance rate for these "non-law breaking refugees". Its a mess.

Errm it wasn't my question, it was a question you chose to respond to with nonsense.

And what's wrong with Germany? It integrated East Germany, has a great social and health care system, low levels of unemployment and still bails out the rest of Europe.

Oh yes you've heard there was mass sexual assault over a year ago and a truck driven into a market. Well guess what we've heard about America in that time frame? Mass shootings carried out by US citizens and yet you don't believe you need limit gun ownership in any way. Oh I forgot , the NRA pays for your President that's why.

 

[noekozz]

Your question is irrelevant and purposely worded in a manner that I cannot answer in an attempt to win an argument that you cannot win.

Our immigration policy is a joke. Just because you can come here legally doesn't mean you are needed or a benefit to the nation. Not only do I want an immigration ban on the nations Trump called out, I want a 100% stoppage of all new immigrants to the nation for at least 10 years. We need to deal with the people that are here now before we take in more. I't unmanageable. We will be Germany before we know it, God forbid.

We need to deport all illegal immigrants in jail NOW. That's 30% of federal inmates. We need to fast track the courts to rule on all these absurd asylum hearings. Right now it takes up to 6 years for these hearings to take place, and when they do there is only a 15% appearance rate for these "non-law breaking refugees". Its a mess.

You must have cherokee blood in your family. I'm pretty sure there's a couple million people here in the good ol US of A that aren't needed and are just taking up space as well. We should round them up and send them packing along with all those illegal immigrants. Start from a clean slate IMO.

 

[nutjob]

Yes other people strap bombs on themselves and teach their kids to hate everyone.

Your username fits you perfectly.

You're talking about white Christians, right? I bet Muslims didn't enslave millions and buy and sell them like cattle.

 

[Lancetx]

Why then was there absolute silence on all of their parts when the policy toward Cuban immigrants was immediately and permanently changed without warning back on January 12? This is nothing more than a highly partisan and extremely hypocritical gesture because what they're truly opposing is that a source of cheap labor for them is being threatened. They couldn't care less about immigrants, this is strictly about protecting their bottom line and their wallets.

 

[nutjob]

Antiabortion protesters are the equivalent of ISIS? Nice job Mr. Crazy.

They both kill in the name of god, what's the difference, besides your prejudice?

 

[shk718]

Trump has come to finish what Bush started.

what's that? A war in Iraq we had no business starting?

 

[ibookg409]

Errm it wasn't my question, it was a question you chose to respond to with nonsense.

And what's wrong with Germany? It integrated East Germany, has a great social and health care system, low levels of unemployment and still bails out the rest of Europe.

Oh yes you've heard there was mass sexual assault over a year ago and a truck driven into a market. Well guess what we've heard about America in that time frame? Mass shootings carried out by US citizens and yet you don't believe you need limit gun ownership in any way. Oh I forgot , the NRA pays for your President that's why.

San Berndadino was a muslim terrorist who immigrated here.
Pulse night club was a muslim terorist who immigrated here.
I'm done with immigrants killing peaceful Americans. When we get them all out we can deal swiftly with the those here legally who harm peaceful Americans. But the illegal ones are a very easy problem to deal with.

"You don't belong here? On your bike".

Done.

 

[martint235]

Why then was there absolute silence on all of their parts when the policy toward Cuban immigrants was immediately and permanently changed without warning back on January 12? This is nothing more than a highly partisan and extremely hypocritical gesture because what they're truly opposing is that a source of cheap labor for them is being threatened. They couldn't care less about immigrants, this is strictly about protecting their bottom line and their wallets.

And your wallet. Don't forget that. Many people do. If wages need to go up, prices will follow.

 

[verpeiler]

You're talking about white Christians, right? I bet Muslims didn't enslave millions and buy and sell them like cattle.

Or the good boys from the US military, killing innocent children with drones. Triple tap.

 

[ibookg409]

They both kill in the name of god, what's the difference, besides your prejudice?

When as the last time antiabortion protesters killed anyone? The two are not comparable. ISIS does more killing in a day then all the antiabortionist protesters.....every probably.

 

[shyam09]

Didn't America get colonized by immigrants a few hundred years ago? So what makes these particular immigrants in 2017 so special?

And how did it turn out for the locals? The immigrants and their descendants killed most of the locals in their attempt to conquer East to West.

The times are completely different, it's not as black and white as you painted it to be.

 

[martint235]

San Berndadino was a muslim terrorist who immigrated here.
Pulse night club was a muslim terorist who immigrated here.

That's two of them sorted. According to this http://www.gunviolencearchive.org/query/0484b316-f676-44bc-97ed-ecefeabae077/map

There's another 27 to deal with

 

[nutjob]

Nope, wrong on both counts.

A bigot is one who judges. Anyone who does not judge is an idiot.

Sorry the facts disagree with you. Try google or a dictionary.

 

[c0ppo]

Resorting to name calling instead of offering a coherent rebuttal is lazy. And that laziness is likely why you feel like these "others" are stealing "your" opportunities. Perhaps it's the fact that you are being simplistic and lazy about such things which explains why you're not getting the jobs you think you deserve (but don't). Snowflake.

I hate to disappoint you, but no one is stealing anything from me. I have pretty much, and I really don't require more then I already have. But I do try to help others in any way I can.

About the name calling - sure, you are right. But I tought mcrumors forums would merge my two posts, since the response I gave to guy before you could go to you as well. But forums didn't do that in this case, so I do apologise for name calling.

Being simplistic ≠ being lazy. I do tend to be lazy from time to time, but simplistic? Never.

Let me put it in really simple terms:
Apple is putting Apple on pedestal and moralising others. They are representing themselves as moral highground for others? Well sure, go on and do that. But then be moral. Don't use loopholes for tax evasion in USA and in EU. Don't transfer your factories to China and exploit poor locals in factories.

I could go on and on about Apple being 'moral', but whats the point? I think you get it. Sure, if I ran Apple, I would use the same loopholes like they do. Company is there for the $$$, nothing more, nothing less. But Apple is trying to me more, and being critic of others while they themselves are shady as they can possibly be.

See the point now? Or want me to go back being lazy?

 

[StonewallBrown]

Are you Canadian? Sorry man. I'm not glad that they are your problem now but I'm glad they are leaving.
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Sure. The letter was about immigration. I am 100% against all immigration for the next decade. Therefore, all of my posts are relevant. I have also received about 200 likes in the past hour so my sentiments are not unique to me.

This is macrumors. Every time a samsung/android troll posts a negative apple post/positive android post, they get plenty of likes. Are you really going to base the likes for your post, on actual facts on the ground?

If you are an American, you are entitled to not only your opinions, but also the right to speak them. That doesn't mean your opinion is correct, or isn't open to counter arguments.

. Immigration is a complex issue. Not a cookie cutter issue, that can be summarized with cute "talking points". I mean that not just for the Right, but also for the Left.

 

[martint235]

I hate to disappoint you, but no one is stealing anything from me. I have pretty much, and I really don't require more then I already have. But I do try to help others in any way I can.

About the name calling - sure, you are right. But I tought mcrumors forums would merge my two posts, since the response I gave to guy before you could go to you as well. But forums didn't do that in this case, so I do apologise for name calling.

Being simplistic ≠ being lazy. I do tend to be lazy from time to time, but simplistic? Never.

Let me put it in really simple terms:
Apple is putting Apple on pedestal and moralising others. They are representing themselves as moral highground for others? Well sure, go on and do that. But then be moral. Don't use loopholes for tax evasion in USA and in EU. Don't transfer your factories to China and exploit poor locals in factories.

I could go on and on about Apple being 'moral', but whats the point? I think you get it. Sure, if I ran Apple, I would use the same loopholes like they do. Company is there for the $$$, nothing more, nothing less. But Apple is trying to me more, and being critic of others while they themselves are shady as they can possibly be.

See the point now? Or want me to go back being lazy?

You do know the difference between tax evasion and tax avoidance don't you?

 

[blacktape242]

Steve Jobs was an ethnic Syrian.

Steve Jobs's biological father, Abdulfattah "John" Jandali (b. 1931), was born into a Muslim household and grew up in Homs, Syria.

Steve Jobs is dead....and we are now talking about Tim Cook.

 

[c0ppo]

Protect from what, exactly? If you get replaced by a superior robot, or someone with a better work ethic, or someone who just plain does better work, the person to blame is in the mirror. Take responsibility.

Or you simply import poor people that are willing to do your job for way less then anyone else since they really don't have a choice?

I wouldn't call that being diverse, or being progressive. I would call it exploiting immigrants. Coz if Apple is really being honest, they would stop doing business in Saudi Arabia, Qatar, etc. Those countries are real racist, homophobes, etc.

But since they make money off of them, then I guess it's ok?
You don't get to fight for peoples rights and break the very simple rules at the same time? Or you do just coz you are Apple?
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You do know the difference between tax evasion and tax avoidance don't you?

Indeed, I do. But since English is not my native language, and I don't live in the english speaking country, I think a few typos here and there aren't really a big thing?

 

[ibookg409]

That's two of them sorted. According to this http://www.gunviolencearchive.org/query/0484b316-f676-44bc-97ed-ecefeabae077/map

There's another 27 to deal with

That link is cute. It gives virtually no data on the shooters so you can't make any kind of real conclusions about the incidents.

Boring.

 

[Orlandoech]

We are a nation made stronger by skilled immigrants who are heavily screened and are truly needed. It's not made stronger by people who willingly break the law literally the very instant that they arrive.

God... someone gets it other than myself. I LOVE YOU... and your avatar!

 

[shareef777]

Issue is that the islam does not see all people as equal.

The irony in your statement is astounding!

 

[martint235]

That link is cute. It gives virtually no data on the shooters so you can't make any kind of real conclusions about the incidents.

Boring.

To paraphrase the baddie in Transporter "You're funny. I like you"

You still haven't answered my other question on immigrants being net contributors, you just spouted some guff about unemployment.

 

[ibookg409]

God... someone gets it other than myself. I LOVE YOU... and your avatar!

Feel free to follow me. I post gold on this site each and every day.

 

[TonyC28]

It's funny how the "first world" countries made deals with President Obama about how many refugees each would take like they were dividing up cigarettes in a prison yard, but Obama is seen as the good guy in all this.