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You still haven't answered my other question on immigrants being net contributors, you just spouted some guff about unemployment.
I don't respect your question. When the US reaches 0 unemployment for it's legal residents and we have a backlog of unfilled jobs I will look at possible immigration, not before.
 
Or in other words....

Dear President Trump,

Please don't stop us from importing cheap labor through the H1-B program. Our bonuses and profits aren't high enough.

Thank you,
Silicon Valley
 
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This could be a kind of "What did the Romans ever do for us" but here's a few things (from a UK point of view, feeling may differ in the US) that immigrants have done:

  • Enhanced our culture just by adding extra diversity if nothing else
  • Kept the price of vegetables at a reasonable level. The wages demanded by young, unskilled "native" Britons in order to get them to do agricultural work would possibly double the price of a potato
  • Made shopping easier. I'm old enough to remember when all shops closed at 5pm (or noon on a Weds and Sat). This would probably have changed anyway but it changed quicker by the attitude of immigrants from the Indian subcontinent who felt they should be open when the customer wanted them open.
  • Provided a large part of the next generation. I want someone to be there to pay my pension :) . Although I have worked it out that all the people I need to pay my pension are now alive.
  • Brought new tastes and cuisine. In Britain we now know what a curry is actually meant to taste like rather than those weird 70s things that were called curry. We've also got Polish lager in our pubs.
That's just a few things.
Ah I see now, we should let everyone in so we can get cheap vegetables after 5:00pm that are cooked different ways. Well there ya go. Trump should cancel that order immediately then! :)

No, he means immigrants, not Trump voters.
So ALL Trump supporters think they are better because of their religion, hate gays, and disrespect women huh? Alreighty then. You do realize that other religious people, women and gays also support Trump correct? And in your mind 1/2 of America fits this bill? Wow.

Actually it's Christians who won't accept Muslims.
I think you meant to say RADICAL Muslims who hate America and vow to wipe us all out because we are Americans correct?

You do realize Trump has not paid federal income tax in well over a decade, right?
And you have supporting evidence of this statement? Wonder how much federal tax illegals have paid in the past decade?
 
Translation:
Despite record profits and cash positions, want to continue to abuse the H1B programs in order to keep labor costs down, promote outsourcing and suppress wages among skilled citizens.

Signed: greedy liberal elites only looking out for #1
 
Any legal action these companies try will fail. Trump was perfectly within his scope of authority to write those executive orders. I hate to say this but we need another 9/11 incident to remind these bleeding heart liberals that there is an invasion happening to our country. Evil people are making their way in (and not necessarily Muslims) to destroy us. Something needs to be done and Trump is doing it.

Because there could never be an "invasion" from anywhere else but those 7 countries. What about Saudi Arabia? You know, where bin Laden got his start? Oh, right...his family has business ties there.
 
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I don't respect your question. When the US reaches 0 unemployment for it's legal residents and we have a backlog of unfilled jobs I will look at possible immigration, not before.
No it's not that you don't respect my question it's that you can't answer it without looking stupid.

Which version of unemployment are you using? Everyone in work; more jobs than people that want them; more jobs that people who are registered as actively looking for work? These are all different measures. You will never have 0 looking for work because for example you will always have high end IT contractors looking for their next post. So which definition are you going to choose and why?

And you're unique as an American if you're willing to turn down free money. A person willing to put $0.34 extra into the countries coffers and you don't want it?
 
When as the last time antiabortion protesters killed anyone? The two are not comparable. ISIS does more killing in a day then all the antiabortionist protesters.....every probably.

November 27, 2015. So you think killing is ok if you do it less often than ISIS? And you think you're less evil than ISIS?
 
Or the good boys from the US military, killing innocent children with drones. Triple tap.

Funny comment coming from a German. Holocaust anyone?????

Collateral damage is very different from intentional acts to exterminate an entire religion from your country.
 
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I hope Tim is paying these outsiders the same rate as us citizens. If not, trump should ban this action.


Sounds to me that if Apple refuse trump's order like star bucks...Tim should be considered as terrorist advocate.

I hate politics and mr had political articles these days.
 
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after doing such a poor job and still selling outdated and overpriced junk,
now Tim tells us how to think, what to think and what is right for us

Tim why don't you just move to one of these countries and never come back ?

this would be really great for Apple and America !!!!

Yeah maybe he can get a job writing for Trump Magazine .....or selling some Trump steaks. He'd be a great professor at Trump University.
 
Ah I see now, we should let everyone in so we can get cheap vegetables after 5:00pm that are cooked different ways. Well there ya go. Trump should cancel that order immediately then! :)
You didn't really understand my post did you? That's why you felt the need to simplify to primary school level
 
Don't bother asking these dopes for any proof of their claims....unless its a propaganda article from Beritbart.
Translation:
Despite record profits and cash positions, want to continue to abuse the H1B programs in order to keep labor costs down, promote outsourcing and suppress wages among skilled citizens.

Signed: greedy liberal elites only looking out for #1
Where did this silly argument come from? Cheap labor? At Apple? Stateside? Since you have a list of Apples employees salaries, I'm sure you are willing to share with the rest of us.

Apple's "cheap" labor isn't in the US. It's in China. It's in Asia. If Apple was able to abuse the H-1B visa program, even half as much as you are accusing them of, there would be multiple factories already built here.
 



Last night news broke that a collection of major technology companies, including Apple among them, were prepping an open letter to United States President Donald Trump as a means to voice opposition to the immigration executive order that he signed last Friday.

Today, a draft of the full letter has been shared online, and it goes into detail about the importance of immigrants in the U.S., mentions concern for how the order will affect employees with visas, and explains that the companies are prepared to lend a hand to help the Trump administration make logical and necessary changes if and when it is ready to accept the help (via Recode).

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Along with Apple, other companies collaborating on the letter are said to include Facebook, Google, Uber, Microsoft, Stripe, and more. The technology companies drafting the letter are reportedly working to include non-tech companies as well, but as yet none have joined.

Recode obtained a draft of the letter:
Trump's order banned Syrian refugees from entering the country, blocked citizens of seven countries (Iraq, Iran, Somalia, Sudan, Libya, Syria, and Yemen) from entering the U.S. for 90 days, and suspended entry of all refugees entering the U.S. for 120 days. The bans left groups of immigrants stranded in airports around the country while also sparking protests and blowback from various tech companies, some of which are now included in the open letter.

Apple CEO Tim Cook said that "it is not a policy we support" in an internal letter sent to employees last weekend, explaining that the company had reached out to the White House to try to "explain the negative effect" the ban would have on Apple. Included in the potential negative reaction surrounding Apple and other tech companies is another Trump executive order, currently in the drafting stages, that centers around changes to various work-visa programs and could greatly affect how Apple hires tens of thousands of foreign workers each year.

For the immigration-related ban, Tim Cook told The Wall Street Journal on Tuesday that Apple is considering its legal options as a way to pressure the Trump administration into rescinding the executive order. Cook didn't give further details, but said Apple would be "productive" and "constructive" in its opposing response to the Trump order, which now includes a partnership with other tech companies and today's open letter.

Note: Due to the political nature of the discussion regarding this topic, the discussion thread is located in our Politics, Religion, Social Issues forum. All forum members and site visitors are welcome to read and follow the thread, but posting is limited to forum members with at least 100 posts.

Article Link: Apple and Others Pen Open Letter to Trump: 'We Are a Nation Made Stronger by Immigrants'
Now where are all the Tim Cook haters complaining that Apple should keep their mouth shut and stay out of politics? Oh I see, being the CEO of the most profitable company in the world is a nuanced job that forum commenters couldn't possibly understand. In fact, one could argue that Cook has built up tremendous political and social cache for Apple which affords them much greater leverage here. And in this case, being silent (like Amazon at first) or having no opinion on the matter actually would hurt Apple in the public's eye and possibly this administration's. You don't say...
 
No it's not that you don't respect my question it's that you can't answer it without looking stupid.

Which version of unemployment are you using? Everyone in work; more jobs than people that want them; more jobs that people who are registered as actively looking for work? These are all different measures. You will never have 0 looking for work because for example you will always have high end IT contractors looking for their next post. So which definition are you going to choose and why?

And you're unique as an American if you're willing to turn down free money. A person willing to put $0.34 extra into the countries coffers and you don't want it?
I don't agree with your metrics and figures. And if we stop uneemployment altogerhter than people will take the jobs they don't want to do.
 
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Because there could never be an "invasion" from anywhere else but those 7 countries. What about Saudi Arabia? You know, where bin Laden got his start? Oh, right...his family has business ties there.

You do understand these countries were chosen (by the Obama administration) as unable to provide any information on the background of their citizens. Other countries (like Saudi Arabia) are providing useful information that allows for some form of vetting
 
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