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"In spite of Samsung reporting lower-than-expected results, its shares rose 2.1% in Tuesday’s trading session, outperforming the broader markets that were down by 0.3%."

I officially don't understand how stock trading works.

Because in the article it said "However, this quarter’s operating profit is the best posted by the company in the past four quarters and represents an improvement from the first quarter". Translated, that means sales are up.
 
Because in the article it said "However, this quarter’s operating profit is the best posted by the company in the past four quarters and represents an improvement from the first quarter". Translated, that means sales are up.

actually, correct assumption would be

could also be margins

we can't for say certain on said both
 
Apple and Microsoft have like 99% of all desktop operating system sales too. Way to go Apple!
 
I wonder if Microsoft actually sells any phones. I certainly don't know anybody who has one. Zune curse strikes again?

I met someone ~3 years ago who had one. This older woman who really didn't like Apple. The only other time I've seen Windows Phone is this guy in my office who has one. He has a disinterest in online tracking stuff, doesn't use Facebook. I respect that guy at least.
 
Question -- are the samsung numbers only for smartphones over $500? Or what is the definition of premium phones? I ask because I though Apple actually led is sales volume in the top end and that samsung led in all other segments since Apple did not compete in those.

The Samsung numbers, and everybody's numbers, are for smartphones. All smartphones. Including $60 smartphones and even cheaper ones. All that isn't counted is "feature phones". Samsung is building those as well, and since the number of feature phones have been dropping year after year after year, Samsung's number of feature phones has been dropping, and their total number of phones has actually dropped a lot since the last year.
 
What companies are in the "other" category? That's a huge percentage for other. I know LG is probably in there, and Blackberry (lol), but that's a lot of also-rans to make up almost half the market.
Acer, Alcatel, AllWinnner, Amazon, Asus, Blackberry, BLU, Celkon, Coolpad, Cubot, Evolio, G-Tide, Gigabyte, Gionee, Goophone, Haier, Hike, HP, HTC, iBall, Infinix, InnJoo, Intex, iOcean, Jiake, Jiayu, Jivi, Jolla, Kabonn, Karbonn, Kingzone, Kyocera, Lava, LG, Meizu, Micromax, MLais, Neken, OnePlus, Oppo, Opsson, Panasonic, Solo, Sony, Spice, Star, TCL, Tecno, THL, Umi, Vertu, Vivo, Voto, Xolo, Zopo, ZTE
 
Huawei's the one doing it right. Shipment volume up 48.1%
The latest numbers published were that Apple and Samsung together make 107% of all profits. In other words, everyone else loses 7%. If you're not making money, you are not doing it right. No matter how many sales.
 
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looks like samsung doing it right...for some odd reason.
No, wrong. Apple's growth was 2.4% year-over-year, while Samsung's share declined from 24.8% to 21.7%. Samsung isn't doing anything right.

Summary: Apple's smartphone share still growing, while Samsung's market share is being eaten by small Chinese rivals.
 
I don't know who is doing it right.
I sold my iPhone 6.
Now I am happy with the Samsung S6 edge - much better for me (Filesystem on pc, edge and better display, Android 5.1.1, Samsungs extensions to Android)
 
gotta love the spin. Rather than saying Apple trailed Samsung, the headline talks about their combined sales.

Yeah, it really should have been: Smartphone Year-over-year Sales: Apple screams forward +35%, Samsung sinks -2%
 
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Thing is Samsung have released 422 models of phone out in the last five years (no really, look it up), Apple have sold 2/3 of the handsets have had released just 8 models. That's quite something, really.
 
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Thing is Samsung have released 422 models of phone out in the last five years (no really, look it up), Apple have sold 2/3 of the handsets have had released just 8 models. That's quite something, really.

I wonder how many of these 422 are still supported - that is a normal user can do a auto-update to 5.0 ? In fact, I'm surrounded by Android users who complain about the price on an iPhone and find nothing wrong buying a new $400 phone every 15 months. My wife is using her 4s since 2011.
 
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People at work getting excited because their Note 3's are just getting Android 'Lollipop' 1 year after it was released by Google... that's why Samsung's market share is falling.

They are being eaten at both the low end and the high end. I do think they will regain some market share, it's tick-tock between Samsung and Apple.

Edge is a gimmick; if Apple were like Samsung they'd be putting stickers in Airports advising Samsung Galaxy S6 owners to stop being wall huggers and buy an iPhone :)
 
It's pretty apparent that Samsung is losing sales/market share to the other Android handset makers. These OEMs are seeing the most growth.
 
The latest numbers published were that Apple and Samsung together make 107% of all profits. In other words, everyone else loses 7%.

Not necessarily. 107% is just Apple and Samsung.

The total of profits could be 120%, with Huawei (who makes billions) part of that. Then it'd be "everyone else loses 20%". :)

This is why using percentages like this is a bad idea. The report should give EITHER the percentage of all the profits OR of all the losses, instead. Not combined.
 
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Yeah, it really should have been: Smartphone Year-over-year Sales: Apple screams forward +35%, Samsung sinks -2%

Percentages are virtually meaningless without also including the base quantity.

It's like when people used to point out that only 33% of Samsung's sales were high end phones, while Apple's was 100%. The difference was, Samsung at the time sold three times as many phones as Apple, so the quantity was actually the same.

I'm not a fan of percentages. They hide too much info.
 
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Now all Sammy need to do is persuade people that six is bigger than six and hope that people buy it! Oh wait...
 
Percentages are virtually meaningless without also including the base quantity.

It's like when people used to point out that only 33% of Samsung's sales were high end phones, while Apple's was 100%. The difference was, Samsung at the time sold three times as many phones as Apple, so the quantity was actually the same.

I'm not a fan of percentages. They hide too much info.

Exactly.

And it's also silly to focus on solely the percentage number... particularly when discussing market share.

I remember a time when Apple actually sold more iPhones in a quarter versus the same quarter a year ago. They went up and that's a good thing.

But... market share looks at all smartphone OEMs... then figures out each company's percentage.

As it turns out... Apple's market share went down... even though their sales went up.

So of course... the headline was "Apple market share down this quarter"
 
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