Apple Announces 13-Inch MacBook Pro With M2 Chip Available to Order Worldwide Starting June 17

[UBS28]

Because the thermal throttling is a non issue. Go look at comparisons of last years M1 models. The battery life difference is only 2 hours. The Air, however has fast charging which allows a 50% charge in 30 minutes. That’s 9 hours of battery life in 30 minutes.

The M1 MacBook Air thermal throttles after 10 minutes of sustained load with a performance loss of 15%. So basically you are paying for a M1 chip which you cannot even fully utilize if you are actually using the full capabilities of this thing.

That is not a non issue and a big advantage that the 13” MacBook Pro has.

 

[FindingAvalon]

Center Stage doesn't create such a crap image on other devices with the same camera hardware. Even when held at the same distance from the subject.

It’s because of the wide angle lens coupled with the fact that the subject is generally farther away on a Studio Display thus the necessity of using a cropped image.

 

[visualseed]

It’s because of the wide angle lens coupled with the fact that the subject is generally farther away on a Studio Display thus the necessity of using a cropped image.

The 1080P camera on the MacBook Air could also be using a smaller physical sensor leading to the same issue. Better specs does not mean better image quality. Until it's reviewed we won't know.

 

[FindingAvalon]

The M1 MacBook Air thermal throttles after 10 minutes of sustained load with a performance loss of 15%. So basically you are paying for a M1 chip which you cannot even fully utilize if you are actually using the full capabilities of this thing.

That is not a non issue and a big advantage that the 13” MacBook Pro has.

The performance loss is 8% and it doesn’t take much longer than that for the Pro to begin to throttle too. Again, go watch the comparison videos.

 

[FindingAvalon]

The 1080P camera on the MacBook Air could also be using a smaller physical sensor leading to the same issue. Better specs does not mean better image quality. Until it's reviewed we won't know.

It’s the same camera the 14 and 16 MacBook Pro’s have. So, no.

 

[UBS28]

The performance loss is 8% and it doesn’t take much longer than that for the Pro to begin to throttle too. Again, go watch the comparison videos.

Check this video from Max Tech

He saw a performance loss of 15% when doing his testing. That is a huge performance loss as a result of thermal throttling on the M1 MacBook Air.

 

[Yebubbleman]

Looking forward to those M1 13" MacBook Pro vs. M2 13" MacBook Pro and M2 MacBook Air vs. M2 13" MacBook Pro YouTube videos. Though, I know that the latter will still be a bit later. The staggering makes it so that I'm not spending WAY too much time on YouTube overloading on all of it! 🤣

 

[FindingAvalon]

Center Stage doesn't create such a crap image on other devices with the same camera hardware. Even when held at the same distance from the subject.

Because it doesn’t work the same way on a Studio Display as it does on iPads. 🙄. The image is cropped on the Studio Display. Look, you can read about it and learn or keep coming back here with “but but but”, your choice.

 

[FindingAvalon]

Check this video from Max Tech

He saw a performance loss of 15% when doing his testing. That is a huge performance loss as a result of thermal throttling on the M1 MacBook Air.

He got that, AnAndTech got 8% 🤷‍♂️

 

[UBS28]

He got that, AnAndTech got 8% 🤷‍♂️

Guess Max Tech was able to push the M1 MacBook Air harder.

 

[Tagbert]

Center Stage doesn't create such a crap image on other devices with the same camera hardware. Even when held at the same distance from the subject.

The camera on the Studio Display is an extra wide angle lens to give a very broad view for Center Stage. The actual image used is cropped from a relatively small portion of this wide angle. The distance from the camera to the subject is also larger than on the iPad. They have to process it to remove the wide angle distortion. The result is an image that is lower in contrast and has some obvious “upscaling” artifacts. The iPads that have Center Stage don’t use quite as wide angle a lens, though their image quality is not a good a just a regular camera, either also due to the processing required.

I suspect that Apple got carried away with the “wow” factor of Center Stage. It demos well and people think that it will be useful for them. I’m not convinced. Maybe in an iPad you will want to dynamically want to include multiple people in the image. At a desktop display, I think that is less likely and you are more likely to be a single person sitting at your desk. A regular camera might have been a better choice. We’ll ahve to see where they go with this.

 

[Tagbert]

The 1080P camera on the MacBook Air could also be using a smaller physical sensor leading to the same issue. Better specs does not mean better image quality. Until it's reviewed we won't know.

True but we do already have reviews of the similar camera in the MBPs

 

[SFjohn]

I don't understand why anybody would buy this over the MacBook Air.

Some people still actually use and enjoy the touchstrip.

 

[visualseed]

True but we do already have reviews of the similar camera in the MBPs

I agree that they should be the same, but my original point was that until we have things in hand Apple's claims of superior specs don't alway equal real world results. The studio display was a prime example. Looked good on paper, demoed well on stage, but botched it in execution. Apple has a long history of claiming things are "the same" and sourcing parts from different vendors with mixed results. Also, the fact that the MacBook Pros (and iMacs) rely so much on ISP to achieve good image results could see the Air ship with a less-than-perfect webcam without clear explanation and leave users waiting on software/firmware updates to "get it right."

 

[Makanmata]

Maybe I'm in the minority but I really like the USB instead of the Mag-safe. Nothing against the mag-safe but I like being able to use the same cord to charge multiple devices and not to have to carry a dedicated mag-safe cord. Curious if its possible to charge the MBA using the USB ports like I can on my MBP or if the mag-safe is the only way to charge it and the ports are just . . . ports?

 

[AF_APPLETALK]

Available now, with M2 chip

Okay but you know that computer would still look good on your desk. Don't lie.

 

[diddl14]

If it would at least support multiple external displays I guess there could be a clear compelling argument over the Air.

 

[NBAasDOGG]

Might as well wait till Juli to get a free AirPod with the academic discount.

 

[AF_APPLETALK]

14" M2 MBP with > 16 GB RAM: 2.4k
13" M2 MBP with > 16 GB RAM (plus 512 GB SSD to match the 14"): 1.9k
M2 MBA with > 16 GB RAM (plus 512 GB SSD to match the 14" and 10 core graphics to match the 13"): 1.9k

Fail to see how the 13" is a "bad buy" when it literally is $500 less than the 14", and the same prices as the M2 MBA. If anything, the M2 MBA looks overpriced. Different strokes for different folks, but after having this M1 Air, I am definitely the kind of user who needs active cooling.

 

[shplock]

Have you read the thread before replying or are you just replaying? I have already countered this.

Have you? You have NOT countered it - you simply keep saying the same thing over and over.

 

[shplock]

Another one who clearly wants to impose their views on people who do realize the Mac offered has its benefits.

Says you who does nothing but tell people their opinions are wrong and yours is right that this Pro is the best machine ever despite evidence otherwise.

 

[shplock]

How about to those that actually want one or see the other offerings or don't need those. There is a reason it has sold quite well to keep in the line up.

Try again. This machine has not sold a single unit! It is not on sale...you confuse the OLD version not the NEW version.

 

[shplock]

1. If you call it "dumb" you are bashing it. If you don't like the product, ignore it and move along. Why call it out?
2. So we should ignore historical data of sales Apple themselves presented based on a similar line-up prior? Geez, let's call Apple and tell them how wrong they are.

Again, if you don't think the product is worth it, move along and vote with your wallet. Lot's of people have voted so far this Mac is worth it.

No offence but you lost already so deal with it and move on.

 

[dgdosen]

Youtubers are going to race to get videos with M2 benchmarks... I wonder when the embargo lifts.

 

[Matt Leaf]

I don't understand why anybody would buy this over the MacBook Air.

Because you’ll be able to buy it