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As of right now with the new revision, yes you are right. However, under the old revision under an M1, it excelled to the point Apple mentioned it.

Back then people were also questioning the device. And yet it survived and Apple's quote on it seems to not made people realize that the device has a purpose and backing from either consumers or B2B. Either way, we know Apple is not keen on keeping devices that don't sell. Mind you this model was in between the MBA and the 14/16 MBPs.
Once again your posts are flawed. The old version was decent because a lot was all new whereas this version is not all new and the only part that is new is the CPU.
When people compare it to the virtually all new M2 Air they will see that it is very poor value indeed.
 
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Well, I won't delve too much into 8GB is worthless as there are people who keep 1 or 2 tabs open and that will serve them right.

That said, I personally believe that 8GB for memory is too little and Apple should offer 12GB as standard now with the M2 machines.
Sorry to correct you (again) but with the AS machines the memory is akin to double on an Intel machine actually. So 8Gb is more like 16 gb and the YT channel Max Tech does an in-depth test of the memory Vs Intel Macs and they show that you can have multiple tabs open on Safari and several apps open at once including rendering 4k video and the M1 MacBook Air showed no signs of giving up!
 
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Once again your posts are flawed. The old version was decent because a lot was all new whereas this version is not all new and the only part that is new is the CPU.
When people compare it to the virtually all new M2 Air they will see that it is very poor value indeed.
As refreshing as your "counters" are, I am done arguing with you when you clearly have no neutral stand point. Also, you mean the same MBA that has 2 GPU-cores less vs the MBP?
 
Sorry to correct you (again) but with the AS machines the memory is akin to double on an Intel machine actually. So 8Gb is more like 16 gb and the YT channel Max Tech does an in-depth test of the memory Vs Intel Macs and they show that you can have multiple tabs open on Safari and several apps open at once including rendering 4k video and the M1 MacBook Air showed no signs of giving up!
This old argument has been debunked several times by other more knowledgeable posters than me. Go read other forums and then get back. There is a reason why 12GB should be the new base and it has nothing to do with "capacity" of the chip.
 
1) This is not about bashing the product but about the idea behind simply sticking a new CPU in the machine and calling it all new which is a dumb idea.
2) This is not on sale yet so your last point is once again wrong.

People may very well buy this and if so that is their choice however that does not make it a good idea just as countless people buy coke and shove it up their noses but that does not make it a good idea.

The idea is to make a product that sells well to customers that want to buy it. The fact that Apple makes more than one product and serves a market with diverse needs and tastes while still doing ok financially seems to indicate they have a pretty good grasp of that idea.
 
How about to those that actually want one or see the other offerings or don't need those. There is a reason it has sold quite well to keep in the line up.
It’s in the lineup as a stopgap measure and it’ll most likely be killed off next year. It’s a bad buy, deal with it.
 
There will not be that much difference between the M2 Pro and M2 Air so the fan is not a huge selling point. The M2 Pro is an absolute disaster and not worth it at all.
the M2 Air is better in all aspects.
Well I disagree, if you use it to actually work on pro stuff that fan will make a huge difference.
 
Well I disagree, if you use it to actually work on pro stuff that fan will make a huge difference.
Makes a huge difference if the machine will mostly be in clamshell mode with an external display where none of the upgraded design features of the AIR will matter anyway. I know a lot of people that go from home to office dock setups and never open the lids on their machine.
 
Someone explain to me why we have a 13” MBP *and* a 14”? Why put a new chip in an old form factor?
Have you read any of the previous 6 pages of arguments?

M2 MBP benefits
  • Has touch bar for those who want it.
  • Has no notch for those who hate it.
  • Has fan for those who do extended heavy processing.
  • Comes with 2 more GPU cores in the base config.
  • Holds a price point that Apple will use for a replacement within the next year.
  • It uses the existing case and thus can ship more quickly.
  • I’m sure there were a couple of others that people mentioned but it’s all getting vague now.
There. Your question was answered. It may not be enough to convince you to get one. I don’t personally care about most of those features and will not be getting one, but there are people here who do care and those are their reasons.

Do we need to keep rehashing this question every other post?
 
Makes a huge difference if the machine will mostly be in clamshell mode with an external display where none of the upgraded design features of the AIR will matter anyway. I know a lot of people that go from home to office dock setups and never open the lids on their machine.
I’ve never understood the appeal of clamshell mode. These are very nice screens and even when connected to an external monitor, I keep certain things, like email/slack, on the laptop screen. It just seems like a waste to not use it.
 
I’ve never understood the appeal of clamshell mode. These are very nice screens and even when connected to an external monitor, I keep certain things, like email/slack, on the laptop screen. It just seems like a waste to not use it.
My preference is to use 2 identical external displays. For machines that can't drive 3 displays at once, that means the laptop goes into a dock & stays closed.

Otherwise, sure
 
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Once again your posts are flawed. The old version was decent because a lot was all new whereas this version is not all new and the only part that is new is the CPU.
When people compare it to the virtually all new M2 Air they will see that it is very poor value indeed.

How is it a poor value when the MBA thermal throttles and has less battery life?
 
Sturdier. Has a fan. Touch Bar can be Nice. No notch. Somewhat better speaker system compared to Air. Tried and true design with much better performed component inside.
You forgot the keyboard. IMHO, the new Magic keyboard on the redesigned 14-inch/16-inch MBPs are much better than the older generation Magic keyboards on the older MacBook Pros.
 
Sorry to correct you (again) but with the AS machines the memory is akin to double on an Intel machine actually. So 8Gb is more like 16 gb and the YT channel Max Tech does an in-depth test of the memory Vs Intel Macs and they show that you can have multiple tabs open on Safari and several apps open at once including rendering 4k video and the M1 MacBook Air showed no signs of giving up!
it's not like having double the memory. You get about a 4-6GB memory advantage where intel Macs would have had to copy data to a separate pool of video memory for discrete GPU or segregate ram for an integrated GPU to create vram. AS allows the GPU to access the contents of ram as if it were vram without having to create a copy. Once you start filling memory with data beyond what would have normally been used for vram, mostly, it's just like any other architecture with the advantage that swap is more efficient due to faster storage and memory bus speeds. Truth is, most people don't realize how much memory they actually require and are likely to over or under spec a machine based on out-dated assumptions. But if 8Gb of ram is barely keeping up on an intel Mac, it's probably not working as efficiently as possible on an AS Mac either. It just has more ways of mitigating the performance bottlenecks so you don't notice the hit.
 
How is it a poor value when the MBA thermal throttles and has less battery life?
Because the thermal throttling is a non issue. Go look at comparisons of last years M1 models. The battery life difference is only 2 hours. The Air, however has fast charging which allows a 50% charge in 30 minutes. That’s 9 hours of battery life in 30 minutes.
 
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