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Your post to which I replied was overwhelmingly loaded with support for this deal based on financials… as if answering the "why?" question for shareholders. I acknowledged seeing your points but- if it's about those points- then Beats is a fit for any other company that wants those same financial-driven benefits and the most likely suitors beyond Apple are among those I named (because the other benefits beyond shareholder glee would have some application at a Google, Amazon and maybe Samsung & Sony too).

And I doubt that Google "does not worry much about" maximizing profits. As a public company they are legally obligated to maximize shareholder value. If one can buy such a statement, the same might be said for Apple. So if the Beats financials made great sense for a "not worry much about" company like Apple, it made sense for a "not worry much about" company like Google (or Microsoft or Samsung or Sony, etc).

As soon as the rumor was out- and probably long before- it was in play. And in the time between when the rumor first hatched and when the deal got done (which was probably long before a few weeks ago), there was plenty of time for other "bargain" hunting companies to step in and show some interest. If it was mostly a financials play- as you yourself mostly spun it- then Beats ownership could pad their own financials by entertaining bidders beyond just one.

In the last couple of days, it sounded like the deal was nearly derailed. If Beats wanted to sell- and they obviously did- their ONE buyer potentially backing out would point toward no sale. Best way to avoid such a scenario? Court more than one buyer. AND, whatever happened there (to nearly derail it), ended up apparently costing $200M which is not chump change for Beats. Perhaps another buyer would have coughed up that extra… or more?
3.2 billion was the number the media put out to the public. We all know the media doesnt exaggerate.
 
Is it me, or is that picture *really* weird. Must be the wide angle or something but Tim Cook's head looks too small for his regular body and x-large shoulder, and Eddie Cue's shirt is two sizes too small.

/photographer
//can't help it

It looks like they photoshopped Tim's face onto someone else's head. Maybe he couldn't make the photoshoot.
 
Can you explain how beats music is trash?

Can you explain how it's good? Practically any streaming music service ends up playing the same thing after so long. The iTunes Radio/iOS 7 Radio is the biggest offender of this that I've come across.

I made an account with them to link up with my Sonos system (deleted the app right after), so I don't know if it's any different, but the insane amount of sub-genres/playlists is incredibly overwhelming.
 
Just no beats logos on my apple stuffs, please!

Maybe Apple will use Beats to create a downmarket sub-brand. Keep Apple as the premium brand but use Beats brand to better penetrate emerging markets. This downmarket brand could be more colorful, more focused on music. Design coordinated headphones and smartphones/iPods. Maybe use Beats to bring an updated Classic iPod to market that plays high quality music and pare it with audiophile quality headphones.

I don't like this deal but I think I'd hate it less if Apple used it as a way to go downmarket and keep the Apple brand as a premium brand.
 
Its been quite some years since Apple has made as major a move as big as this that leaves me quite as puzzled.

I've read all the reasons put forth for this acquisition, mainly involving streaming and the acquisition of the unique talents of Dr Dre and Jimmy Iovine. (Maybe he'll change it to iOvine now?)

I'm always concerned when a big part of an acquisition has to do with talent from the acquired company. And in this case, I'd like to know more about the forward-looking incentives for Dre and Iovine to make a difference at Apple. From the sound of things, they'll each be walking into Apple with the best part of a billion dollars. I assume Apple has them under an employment contract/non-compete. But if you've already got a billion bucks - how hard are you going to struggle to earn an extra measly ten million or so? I'm also concerned about how major players like Dre and Iovine are going to deal with having an actual boss like Eddy Cue. I'll assume they aren't going to have to fill out time sheets, but still..

Streaming subscriptions: I'll just say that I'm skeptical this will ever be a multi-billion business. I think the pool of people, worldwide, who are willing and able to budget ~ $100 for an annual music subscription is probably relatively small. Maybe Apple has some plan to leverage a Beats subscription to drive iPhone sales, or carrier partnerships. But so far no one has really made streaming music pay - and they've been trying since the days of Zune.

I'm not sure - long term - how the Beats Headphone hardware business will fit in with the Johnny Ive design philosophy. Obviously improving the earbuds that come with iPods and iPhones would be nice. But where then is the incentive to buy better hardware later on?

Lastly, this acquisition comes at an odd point in Apple's music business. iPod sales have been declining for several years now; and iTunes music business has long since been overshadowed by the App store. I guess my takeaway is that Apple is planning on using an upgraded iPhone/iPod/iMac music experience to drive growth in those businesses - rather than simply expecting Beats Hardware and Streaming to become major profit center in their own right.

Apple has a great management team, and Dre and Iovine are highly talented players. I just hope it works out they way they think it is going to.
 
This is just stuff you made up. In reality you have no clue of the corporate culture or like mindedness of any of their previous acquisitions.

Uhm, that was the point I was trying to make. Neither i NOR YOU know the deal from an in-person, I-was-there perspective. Though there is a lot of written history, both by biographers and by the people themselves, about past deals and what was done, which would suggest that beats and Apple could make a good pair. Anyone can read up on this stuff. It's not top secret.

It is pretty hard to swallow your like mindedness argument as it simply sounds like more coded racism. From everything we know at this point they seem extremely like minded.

Uhm, that was actually my point. I see no problem with the beats acquisition and I think it's a step forward for Apple, AND a potential step forward for Beats, who needs to do better with the audio performance of their products. How is that racism?

Did you actually READ my posts? Apparently not. And I demand an apology for being called racist.
 
So as a stockholder, if Apple told you they could invest a chunk of their available cash and get an 8%-12% return annually on it, would that make you happy or sad? Realize money sitting around for money's sake is not getting you more than 1% a year.

The whatsapp deal is unjustifiable and stupid. This deal is not only fiscally responsible and a money maker, it is a great value. This deal adds MORE value to your already undervalued apple stock. If you were analyzing this all correctly you would be buying as much apple stock as you could afford right now.

Whatsapp has a few hundred million in revenue a year, if that. Beats is on pace for 1.5 billion dollars in revenue this year. Nest, which sold for almost the same price as beats does about 300-350 million dollars in revenue. It is possible Beats could generate nearly as much profit this year as Nest generates revenue, and they sold for the same price.

There are other reasons to buy a business than profitability, but through time that has been the best and most successful reason. Buying companies that don't make money are huge risks. This Beats deal is the antithesis of that. The profits beats makes will recoup the price of the acquisition in ten to fifteen years with no additional growth and no synergy. The streaming service, Iovine, Dre, they all essentially were gotten for free because Beats headphones will pay for all of it on its own.

There is no way for whatsapp to recoup nineteen billion dollars, ever.

I hope you are correct and that I am wrong. But I just don't see Beats adding any value to Apple in the long run. I just hope they scrap what Beats has produced so far, add quality to an inferior product and jazz up the design to look more pleasing. The teens who buy Beats products will soon wise up and realize that their impulse purchase of Beats headphones as a fashion statement and cool factor will soon wear off.

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
 
Idk just ask yourself what type of person beats headphones are marketed to and ask yourself if that fits with Apple's classy brand. Do a lot of highly educated people wear beats headphones?

Beats electronics has 60% of the headphone market. 60%!!!
Am I to believe that 60% of the people who buy headphones are ghetto? Or is it more likely you are just a misinformed, narrow minded person who will overlook actual facts to your own beliefs?
 
Beats electronics has 60% of the headphone market. 60%!!!
Am I to believe that 60% of the people who buy headphones are ghetto? Or is it more likely you are just a misinformed, narrow minded person who will overlook actual facts to your own beliefs?

Yeah, but that's only in U.S. In Europe that is not the case.

Europeans are not also so into Hip Hop music and so bass oriented Beats are horrible for more dynamic sounding traditonal music.
 
Yeah, but that's only in U.S. In Europe that is not the case.

Europeans are not also so into Hip Hop music and so bass oriented Beats are horrible for more dynamic sounding traditonal music.

check out this girl from london using a macbook and beats while making eminem covers:


the real one: http://youtu.be/XbGs_qK2PQA

... and i'm not from europe- only been there once.. but if you're saying europeans aren't into hip hop or especially bass oriented music then i think you're out of touch.
 
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Beats electronics has 60% of the headphone market. 60%!!!
Am I to believe that 60% of the people who buy headphones are ghetto? Or is it more likely you are just a misinformed, narrow minded person who will overlook actual facts to your own beliefs?

I don't think this is truly correct. The numbers thrown around were 59% of the PREMIUM headphone market, which has a market pricing of 150$+ and above. Some historical numbers around overall marketshare were in the 35-40% range and that was all by sales revenue, not volume.
 
check out this girl from london using a macbook and beats while making eminem covers:

YouTube: video

the real one: http://youtu.be/XbGs_qK2PQA

... and i'm not from europe- only been there once.. but if you're saying europeans aren't into hip hop or especially bass oriented music then i think you're out of touch.

He's about outta touch as the people on Macrumors claiming only ghetto people buy Beats in ghetto area's they drive through. :rolleyes: When in fact I see all sorts of different types of people wearing Beats head phones. Just like all sorts of people like buy Apple products. They still don't understand that the majority of hip hop purchasers are not from the ghetto and it has a universal appeal.
 
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MacRumors is now MacRacists. I mean stormfront has less hate for black people than MacRumors.



This is the garbage that should be driven off this site. When you cannot question this purchase with out being accused of being racists, it's time to pack everything up because the PC morons have won.
 
It does make sense for Apple. As I've said before, they need a streaming solution that has room for growth and influential industry personnel to secure rights and deals. That they've acquired a popular (note I didn't say good) high-margin headphone and dock manufacturer is by the by, but ultimately will bring its own fruits in time and is a great fit for Apple's own high-margin and high-design products.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, the main problem with streaming is the low royalty payments. If they can be the first to properly compensate artists, they'll flock to Beats Audio. It's a huge deal if they can do that. We covered it at university and the MU in the UK are forever beating the drum about insufficient royalties from streams. That has to be their aim and competitive edge. It'd shake the industry up anew.

Yup, exactly. To go off my last post put the company that beats owned and now apple into the mix (topspin media) and you have some interesting things that can come.
 
Yeah, but that's only in U.S. In Europe that is not the case.

Europeans are not also so into Hip Hop music and so bass oriented Beats are horrible for more dynamic sounding traditonal music.

Dub Step & Techno. I'm sure that's pretty big in Europe.

Honestly I bet the majority of people who rip on Beats if given a blind test couldn't tell the difference in Beats vs some other headphone, not enough to say this one is garbage vs this one is good sounding.

Does buying Beats keep HTC or other computers from using BEATS in their devices or is there a license fee that will have to be paid to Apple now.
 
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What are the doctorates doing vs the high school grads? Steve jobs was a high school grad from the US. Dont knock it.


Outliers ≠ the norm.

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Steve Jobs doesn't have a doctorate and his tech company makes more than any German tech company. So maybe they should start hiring high school grads in your country ehh?

You understand not EVERYTHING is a question of money, yes?

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Stop projecting.
 
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