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Interesting. I guess we can't really say about the value proposition much until we know whether they sound like competing $200, $800 or $500 headphones with similar features.
 
🤣 this is the definition of insanity and arrogance.. no thanks.. will stick w.my bose studio headphones that battery replacement only costs 0.50 in total. F- Apple
 
$899 AUD, which you can buy a older model iPhone for that much
Better yet buy two really old iPhones and a big rubber band, and strap them to your ears and you’re set.

comparing them to other headphones is understandable. It doesn’t mean much without knowing how they sound but it’s based in logic.

comparing them to an old phone is kind of weird. A ham sandwich is much cheaper than either these headphones or the old iPhone you mentioned. Does that mean it’s better than both?

A blank sheet of a4 paper is even cheaper than the sandwich. Does it taste better?
 
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They definitely support AAC over BT as the fine print indicates their battery specs are based on AAC. What other BT codecs are supported is not documented. Can probably assume SBC is there by default.
At least as it pertains to iPhones, Aptx, AptxHD and LDAC are not possible due to hardware limitations.
 
They don't mention any USB audio support anywhere, so don't count on it. The only known wired input is through the cable as you mention.

Very true, as I say it was just a guess, based on the Lightning to 3.5mm compatibility, it would seem odd not to. This is Apple though ;)
 
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How do you place value on something when you have no reference for how it performs the task it’s designed for?

You’re not only turning up to the auction to claim you won’t buy the house, you’re doing it from inside your car behind the crowd of people who are bidding.
All the claims of worth are based on a press release and a product page, and assumptions.

Regardless of whether they’re objectively priced above or below the closest performing competitors, 44 pages of “nope” is a tad ridiculous, no?
Its like Apple are not allowed to build products that cost more then the mass produced median cost product , it happened with the 6K monitor , same kind of reactions for folks who NEVER bought a monitor that costs even close to that price point to really evaluate the monitor on its merits (or lack of).

For the folks who dont have the money to spare , its a natural reaction but still annoying , i dont go to a Ferrai release thread and just tell everyone that the prices are way too high and they are suckers and what not , but the worst kind are the folks that goes "its not that i dont have the money but i wont spend it on this headphones!! , you are a sucker for buying it" , they are the worst ones , because they try to downplay other ppl intelligence to understand the value of things that they buy , adding nothing to the discussion other then poison , why do they feel the need to berate folks who want to buy what is probably a very nice set of headphones ?

In the end of the day , its 550$ for a pair of headphones , i.e luxury item for some and chump change for others , not everyone should buy them , they are not a must accessory , ppl need to chill and let the folks who want to enjoy them do it without going crazy with the negativity posts.
 
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Interesting. I guess we can't really say about the value proposition much until we know whether they sound like competing $200, $800 or $500 headphones with similar features.
This the reviews will tell us everything
Hence why I canceled my preorder lmao.
I'ma keep it cool and just use my studio 3's for now.

If they are as good for that price then I'll consider buying them
 
OK, you’re exaggerating quite a bit.
First of all, the wheels are not $8000, they’re $400 pre-installed, and $700 not pre-installed.
The Mac Pro starts at $5999, not 60,000.
You even got the price of these wrong, they’re not $560, they’re $550. Yeah, that’s just a $10 difference, but still.
You missed the decimal point. '.8k wheels'...
 
Very true, as I say it was just a guess, based on the Lightning to 3.5mm compatibility, it would seem odd not to. This is Apple though ;)

One thing I noticed, they’re not compatible with Audio Sharing, which seems odd.
It has audio sharing.
 
Damn, unless these headphones are indeed out of this world, it's hard to justify paying $200 more than the standard noise canceling competition.
 
People like “mass market sound tuning”. Nobody buys headphones with a clinical sounding flat frequency response unless they are recording engineers - who aren’t the target market for this product.
More than a decade of research at Harman (and probably elsewhere) allows us to be quite certain that this simply isn't really the case and just a groundless presupposition.
Inasmuch as I don't really like that this research has been vulgarised as a target curve, this is a good three part article on that : https://www.headphonesty.com/2020/04/harman-target-curves-part-3/
And in this long unpalatable video more data is presented to support the idea that variation between "trained" and "untrained" listeners is lower than other variables :
So it's there, but not that significant. Certainly not enough on its own to justify the wide variation in response we see between headphones. Some headphones targeted for some use cases in studios are actually designed following the Harman target quite closely, ie the one that a majority of people tend to gravitate towards in blind A/B tests.
Notions of "flatness" as far as FR curves are concerned are a bit more complicated than merely considering that "flat" = "clinical".
 
Also why the heck isn't Apple Card in Canada yet?
If it was I definitively would've bought the Airpod max with it.
 
But that's not really comparing apples to Apples. I mean, you might as well look at Audeze, Hifiman, Abyss, etc and go over $5K. Wired, fully analog high-end headphones serve an entirely different market than their wireless, noise-cancelling, mobile counterparts. The market movers there are Bose and Sony.
But why is it? Wireless is an alternative, it’s not as good but that doesn’t mean that the wireless headphones out there are the upper range, Apple could introduce a wireless pair at $1000, creating a new tier for wireless devices. If you can create a good wireless headphone that uses magic to lower the latency and reduce quality loss, then it’s worth the extra price. Yes wired serves a different market, but that doesn’t mean wireless can’t attempt to enter that market.

At $550 they aren’t entry level and are a different tier than the QC35s. The point is in the grand scheme of things, $550 is about low-middle end for headphones.
 
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Looks like you can used them as wired headphones using the 3.5mm to lighting adapter
Lightning to 3.5 mm Audio Cable (1.2m) - White

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What’s really annoying is seeing all these social media posts opining on the price of these from people who don’t know the first thing about headphones (or consumer electronics at all). Just because Apple did something doesn’t mean the whole world needs to have an opinion on it.
 
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