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Just a tip to all you eager Snow Leopard users. If you have an external drive plugged into a Time Capsule or an Airport Extreme Base Station that you happen to use Time Machine on (may apply to all externals plugged into those devices), don't expect Snow Leopard to be able to mount them properly. I'm running the 432 build and it often gives me trouble accessing the drive through the network, and if I try and plug the drive directly into my USB port I get an:

Alias Could Not Be Found.

error which seems to be pretty common for Snow Leopard testers and which cannot be fixed. Meaning directly plugging in the drive cannot be accessed at all and through the network it is highly unreliable. The drive reports no errors in Disk Utility and mounts perfectly fine without any bugs in 10.5.8. In other words, this build (10A432) is seriously flawed. I can only expect other glaring omissions to exist. I know some developers reported this error to Apple.

In other words, I seriously hope they are releasing a later version, perhaps 435 or 436 to the public. Otherwise as other have stated, it might be wise to wait till 10.6.x before purchasing. Imagine that, you update and your backup drive becomes highly unstable...
 
Up to Date not machine specific

As someone said, Apple won't be taking the time to produce and ship a machine specific Up to Date SL disc for each machine model that qualifies. Further proof can be gleaned from the following quote on the Up to Date website:

"If you purchased multiple qualifying systems on a single invoice, you can either (1) purchase a Single-User Upgrade Kit for each qualifying product, at a cost of US$9.95*; or (2) purchase fewer Single-User Upgrade Kits and request the Right to Copy for the remaining qualifying products."
 
One thing I haven't seen mentioned...

If the retail disk really isn't a full install, but some other disk is (like the one in the box set), isn't apple just giving an incentive to pirate it anyway? Afterall, why pay cash and end up with something that's less convenient than what the pirates are getting? It's punishing paying customers.

Or pirate from the start because paying cash is less convenient than free? If you want the theoretical full copy, buy the MBS, if you want the theoretical upgrade copy, buy it. Nobody is forcing anyone to buy a version they don't want to.
 
Pretty sure 10a432 is the final build. Some of those 10a435 images looked faked.

I can't think of ANY reason that anyone would need to know the final build number unless they are running a torrent or illegitimate copy and want to make sure they have the final version copy. :rolleyes:

I don't think there is anyway that people will know if 10a432 didn't get additional tweaks before going gold master. I'm pretty sure that Apple doesn't include the build number when they ship cause that is for beta testing. I doubt that what you find on torrents today is the exact version that Apple is shipping.

If you want to be absolutely certain, then buy directly from Apple and you'll have SL on the 28th. :D Otherwise, you'd have to wait a few days for it to show up on your favorite torrent site and go through all the hassle of re-downloading. In the meantime, you could have the legit version installed for less than $30. Seems like a no brainer to me. ;)
 
Setting up a scheme for tax evasion purposes is a felony in most countries, and I suppose it is the same in Finland.

In Finland most doctors/lawyers/engineers/whatever-requires-at-least-masters are doing it because the government makes it possible for everyone that are willing to pay the fees for starting a company.

If you were a doctor (for example) in Finland, would you rather pay 60% salary tax plus 22% VAT, or instead run your own company and pay 29% tax for dividend and 0% tax for whatever your company needs?

But enough for this off-topic already.
 
One thing I haven't seen mentioned...

If the retail disk really isn't a full install, but some other disk is (like the one in the box set), isn't apple just giving an incentive to pirate it anyway? Afterall, why pay cash and end up with something that's less convenient than what the pirates are getting? It's punishing paying customers.

Nobody knows whether the $29 disk will be any different than the $169 box set. Nobody. So there's no need to count the inconvenienced chickens until they hatch.

Wait a minute: I just noticed you ere saying the same thing two quotes above. Sorry for the repetition.
 
[adds to celebration]

I don't want to bother with the huge crowd at the Apple Store, so hopefully there won't be as many eager customers at the local mymacdealer. Can't wait!!!
 
Thanks jholzner and Sky Blue for bringing up the EULA about that. ;)

I guess I was too excited about it to even thinking about the EULA about it.

Broke the news to her and she offered to buy me a SL since she said school is starting for me and I wont be working much to make money, but I declined.

This is easy, just live at her house! ;)
 
I can't think of ANY reason that anyone would need to know the final build number unless they are running a torrent or illegitimate copy and want to make sure they have the final version copy. :rolleyes:

I don't think there is anyway that people will know if 10a432 didn't get additional tweaks before going gold master. I'm pretty sure that Apple doesn't include the build number when they ship cause that is for beta testing. I doubt that what you find on torrents today is the exact version that Apple is shipping.

If you want to be absolutely certain, then buy directly from Apple and you'll have SL on the 28th. :D Otherwise, you'd have to wait a few days for it to show up on your favorite torrent site and go through all the hassle of re-downloading. In the meantime, you could have the legit version installed for less than $30. Seems like a no brainer to me. ;)

Waiting several days is a nuisance (especially given that it looks like Apple is only shipping Snow Leopard on the 28th in Europe, leaving Saturday or Monday the first day it is likely to arrive.)
 
Or pirate from the start because paying cash is less convenient than free?

I'm talking about people willing to pay for it but bummed that their money buys them a potentially cumbersome install process (assuming the disk requires a 10.5 install, which nobody knows yet).

I'm pretty sure that Apple doesn't include the build number when they ship cause that is for beta testing. I doubt that what you find on torrents today is the exact version that Apple is shipping.

Apple always includes the build number - go to About This Mac and click on 10.5.8.
 
Not that I'd ever violate an EULA... someone has to stand up for these huge companies. They don't have nearly enough money yet.

Ugh, that attitude is becoming all too prevalent even in the US I'm sorry to report. "Hey, that grocery store makes BIG money, they won't miss some grapes/a box of cereal/a shopping cart".

Pathetic but more and more common. Oh, and I know "It's not a physical theft, I'm merely going back on a contract, so the only real damage is to my honor".

Or "honour" as the case may be. :>}
 
Just a tip to all you eager Snow Leopard users. If you have an external drive plugged into a Time Capsule or an Airport Extreme Base Station that you happen to use Time Machine on (may apply to all externals plugged into those devices), don't expect Snow Leopard to be able to mount them properly. I'm running the 432 build and it often gives me trouble accessing the drive through the network, and if I try and plug the drive directly into my USB port I get an:

Alias Could Not Be Found.

error which seems to be pretty common for Snow Leopard testers and which cannot be fixed. Meaning directly plugging in the drive cannot be accessed at all and through the network it is highly unreliable. The drive reports no errors in Disk Utility and mounts perfectly fine without any bugs in 10.5.8. In other words, this build (10A432) is seriously flawed. I can only expect other glaring omissions to exist. I know some developers reported this error to Apple.

In other words, I seriously hope they are releasing a later version, perhaps 435 or 436 to the public. Otherwise as other have stated, it might be wise to wait till 10.6.x before purchasing. Imagine that, you update and your backup drive becomes highly unstable...

Works fine for me via my Airport Extreme with USB drive
 
Waiting several days is a nuisance (especially given that it looks like Apple is only shipping Snow Leopard on the 28th in Europe, leaving Saturday or Monday the first day it is likely to arrive.

Monday is a public holiday, so it might not even arrive until Tuesday, and Amazon.co.uk say they're not shipping until September 4th.

Looks like we might just have to be patient here in the UK!
 
Waiting 'n reading

to see what difficulties the early adopters report here as well as in Apple Discussions.

The problem may be that although 10.6 may be flawed, it will need to be installed first in order for 10.6.1 to be installed as an update.
 
Works fine for me via my Airport Extreme with USB drive

I will be testing this when I get home. The reason being I wanted to test out 10a432 and now I'm happy with it, when SL release on friday I want to do a erase & install rather than the upgrade process I just did.
 
Monday is a public holiday, so it might not even arrive until Tuesday, and Amazon.co.uk say they're not shipping until September 4th.

Looks like we might just have to be patient here in the UK!

Damn, I forgot about that.

I would have preferred to order from Amazon.co.uk (I have Amazon Prime), but the way Apple is shipping Snow Leopard to other retailers makes that too slow for me.
 
German law: It's fine to run a company as a hobby. If you try to get your VAT back, then the item must be only used for company use.

Yep, similar laws in Finland. But who checks if you used your company Mac for personal use? There's no law against stupid business decisions, so if your company allowed its workers to use company equipment for personal leisure (or whatever) it is perfectly okay unless the company equipment was damaged whilst doing so.
 
Apple doesn't need to announce this. They've made it quite clear that it requires Leopard to use the $29 SL disc. That's on YOU if you want to install a new hard drive on your computer. In this situation you must buy the boxed set. If you think that's wrong then buy the $29 disc and find out yourself and then try to take back open software to Apple.

I DO have the Leopard installer. What I'm interested in is whether I am able to install SL into fresh newly formatted hard drive. Or do I really have to install Leopard first and then upgrade to SL.
 
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