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Apple Announces August 28th Availability of Snow Leopard

Wie Gehts said:
haven't been following this very closely. just skimming some of these posts i was under the impression that the 28th is a false date but i think i have it backwards..that the original expectations was for september but now its the 28th
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That is correct.
 
gdhnz said:
Windows i386 and x84_64 are installed together on the same disk and it's a simple matter of changing a preference to flick between the 2 kernels?
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Do you think that "copy" means that Apple's have a "Start Menu"?

No, of course not.

Apple's 64-bit kernel, like Windows x64, requires all 64-bit drivers and kernel code.

All the 10.5 hype about "Apple has a better way of doing 64-bit" is proven false - their basic approach for running an x64 kernel has copied Windows, it's all x64 or nothing.


gdhnz said:
64 bit apps work on Windows with a 32 bit kernel?

I never knew.
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Yes, some do.
 
So, I would assume the up-to-date discs wouldn't require a previous installation of Leopard and be the FULL version, right? I'm running the Developer Preview build and am just curious if I'll need to go back and install Leopard beforehand.

I mean, it would only be fair and make sense that we receive the full version of SL and not the $29 upgrade version, since this is going to be what is coming with new Macs purchased Friday onward.
 
madog said:
I might not be looking in the right place on Apple's site, but is it possible to buy the whole system by itself? Not the upgrade disk and then not with iLife/iWork?

Reason being, I don't want to upgrade, I want a clean install of Snow Leopard in one fell swoop (like every other OS release), and I already have iLife and iWork 09 (so no reason for the Box Set). Will this be possible?

Also, for future reinstalls of my OS, I feel it absolutely unneccessary to have to install Leopard and then upgrade, and have to do that the few times a year I reinstall my OS.

I was pretty pumped to get SL, but if I won't be allowed to do that then I'll definitely be waiting.
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You will be able to do a clean install with the upgrade disc. It just checks that you have Leopard, and then it lets you do whatever you want.
 
KoNeko said:
So, I would assume the up-to-date discs wouldn't require a previous installation of Leopard and be the FULL version, right? I'm running the Developer Preview build and am just curious if I'll need to go back and install Leopard beforehand.

I mean, it would only be fair and make sense that we receive the full version of SL and not the $29 upgrade version, since this is going to be what is coming with new Macs purchased Friday onward.
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hard to believe; 45 pages to this thread, and only about 5 unique posts...how many times can we ask about how to upgrade to SL, and, what the build will be...
Someone should start a thread about who is going to sleep outside of an Apple Store tonight to be first in line for an OS upgrade..
Sorry about being sarcastic, but this is just plain funny!!
 
appleguy123 said:
Oh yes that woman is so odd.
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NOOOO WAY!!!

DID YOU GET HER TOO!!!???!?!?


She was a worthless tool huh? Amazing that she's working and getting paid for something that's classified as SUPPORT!

Amazing what you have to deal with sometimes...

Once I went to talk to one of the sellers at Apple Regent ST. I was looking for a Firewire 400 to 800 wire... The woman said I should go to Maplin. And I said but I'm here.... in the Apple store... are you sending business away? And then she looked confused and said oh... uh we don't have that cable, we only have Apple stuff. I got so angry with her, and asked her... what do you do here if you can't even look to SEE if you have it? She said, I don't know much about computers. I then asked if she by accident wore the wrong T-shirt and maybe should change into the iPod Nano one. She said, she can't be bothered, that they are all the same and it's only the color that's different. Uhmmmm how the hell did she get hired is beyond me... On my way out of the store another seller stopped me and asked if they could help me... I said sure.. why not, your colleague seemed to just have hatched from the egg she crawled out of... within a minute he came back with the right cable and I was done with the payment and walking out of the story in less than 3 minutes... PAINLESS....

But that woman, was soooooo not supposed to be there. And I hear, more and more are hired who don't know anything about Macs. Shameful... also the Regent St. Store is so dirty now, they really need to do a massive cleaning.

O_O
 
wase4711 said:
hard to believe; 45 pages to this thread, and only about 5 unique posts...how many times can we ask about how to update to SL, and, what the build will be...
Someone should start a thread about who is going to sleep outside of an Apple Store tonight to be first in line for an OS upgrade..
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After all the hoopla we are going to see more posts like this...

iPhonePhan said:
So I have Snow Leopard "Final GM" installed since yesterday (Friday) and I gotta say...there's not much to tell.

In fact, after installing and using it for a bit, I had to go into the "About Mac" option to really make sure I had installed it. I even had to visit the Apple Snow Leopard site to figure out what the heck changed.

Aside from a few visual effects in Finder, Quicklook, Stacks/Grids, etc. there's practically 0 noticeable difference. Mail and Safari open up quicker but it's like noticing the difference between Mach 1 and Mach 2 (you're already going fast so who cares?)

BTW, this was tested on a testbox MBA Rev. 2 1.86Ghz 2GB RAM, 120GB SSD.

In other words, you should be more excited about the Apple Tablet than Snow Leopard.

But if you're overly excited for SL, trust me, your expectations will be severally crushed after installing it. It's practically the same Leopard we all have today.

Sorry guys. :-(
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Unfortunately this is true even though I too bought the family pack from amazon this morning. :eek:
 
percival504 said:
I'm not an expert, but I believe the kind of work you're doing (e.g., rendering) is intensive enough to benefit from the speed (if not RAM availability) of 64-bit mode. I could be wrong in my understanding of this though.
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Actually, you bring up a good point. I've done a bit more research and I'm finding our that the only pro apps that I'm using now that are 64 bit is Adobe CS4. Final Cut Studio is NOT 64 bit yet and I might actually see a slow down if I run Snow Leopard kernel in 64 bit mode. Adobe CS4 is 64 bit, but if I run it in 32 bit mode it might actually run slower unless I boot to 64 bit. True that you can run both 64 and 32 bit applications on the 32 bit kernel, but there will be a bit of slow down due to translation. The average user won't notice a difference, and the hard core user needs to have 64 bit apps and a 64 bit kernel to fully realize the speed increase. Looks to me this is NOT ready for prime time. The only application I have that might see a speed up is Adobe CS4 (design suite). If I want to take advantage of Snow Leopard and 64 bit video editing, I would need to upgrade to Adobe Premiere Pro and After Effects. Those both run 64 bit and will take advantage of extra ram. I would just need to boot into 64 whenever I wanted to use those. Kind of stupid that Apple just released Final Cut Studio 3 and it's NOT 64 bit - and Adobe beat them to the punch. Pretty much everything else that I use is not 64 bit, but it's coming eventually. Newtek is working on 64 bit Lightwave and it should be out in the next few months. That might make the upgrade to Snow Leopard worth it!

This is a summary of what I understand, please correct me if I'm wrong:

• By default, Snow Leopard boots into 32 bit mode, but 64 bit mode CAN be enabled on compatible machines.
• 32 bit apps run fine in 32 bit mode and you may or may not notice a speed increase.
• 64 bit apps run okay in 32 bit mode, but you might actually see a slow down due to translation from the kernel.
• 32 bit apps don't run in 64 bit mode without translation. They would be slow or not run at all.
• 64 bit apps run great in 64 bit mode, but you need to boot into 64 bit mode and your 32 bit apps might not run without the 64 bit kexts.

If all this is correct, I don't see why so many people are excited about Snow Leopard coming out this Friday. Most of them won't be able to take advantage of 64 bit until all their favorite applications are written for it. They are all excited to get it because it's something new. When they get home and install it, they will find a bit of a let down from the excitement because they really won't notice anything different. If anything, it might cause more problems than it's worth. It seems that most of the cool stuff is deep under the hood and not very accessible until the applications catchup to the os. I suppose mid next year is when we will see the power of 64 bit and Snow Leopard. Until then, it's a bit of overhype for the casual user.

This all reminds me of when we switched over to Power PC years ago. Remember that? If I remember correctly, there was a special boot process to take advantage of PPC apps. If they weren't written in the new code, they ran slow or not at all on the new machines. At first, it was more hassle than it was worth, or at least until more apps came on line with the new code. Those were some good times. LOL.
 
THX1139 said:
• 64 bit apps run okay in 32 bit mode, but you might actually see a slow down due to translation from the kernel.
• 32 bit apps don't run in 64 bit mode without translation. They would be slow or not run at all.
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Where did you get these info? At least there are no "translation" involved.
What's involved is the switch of the context of the CPU between 32bit and 64 bit, but it's not like translating PPC code to x64 using Rosetta.

Also, Adobe CS4 is definitely not 64 bit. This fact made a lot of headlines when it came out.
 
Are the up-to-date discs usually the same as a retail copy of the OS, or are they machine-specific like the discs that come with a new computer?
 
Amazon is reporting my delivery date as September 1st, I will check again in the morning and if it's still the same I'll cancel and go over to Apple.com and order.

I think Amazon is going to lose a lot of orders in the next couple of days.
 
Up-to-date shipping status has been updated!

New this evening, my up-to-date order status has changed from September ship date to August 28. I expected delivery with the announcement this morning, but I know others watching their order status like I was all day were wondering if the up-to-date discs would be shipped with the others. Looks like we will get them Friday also. Yippee.
 
K.B. said:
Amazon is reporting my delivery date as September 1st, I will check again in the morning and if it's still the same I'll cancel and go over to Apple.com and order.

I think Amazon is going to lose a lot of orders in the next couple of days.
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But normally Amazon ships very fast, some people order rather over Amazon as over the Apple Store because Apple ships via UPS, which doesn't deliver saturdays.
 
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I got Amazon.com Order Update on Snow Leopard! :D
 
so what happens if I have 10A432 installed? Will it require me to install 10.5 over it and then install the upgrade SL? that would suck haha
 
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