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if you've already upgraded from Leopard the first time you installed Snow Leopard it validated Leopard on that install, for subsequent re-installs the installer sees you already have Snow Leopard installed so doesn't need to validate Leopard.

The exception would be if you need to completely erase your drive, or have installed a brand new hard drive then the Snow Leopard installer will again need to validate Leopard, so you may need to install Leopard first but hopefully SL has a validation where you can just insert the Leopard DVD to verify you qualify to upgrade.
thanks
 
For UK UTD buyers

don't know if this has been posted already and I'm not trawling through 50 odd pages to look, anyway.

For UK UTD buyers. I was in the Regent Street store today and asked if utd would be shipped by 28th. The store manager who luckily overheard the conversation said not to worry was probably just the website not fully updating yet and that I should receive it on the 28th.

So good news although a few more days wouldn't have made a huge difference. :):)
 
I didn't read this whole thread, but here's my theory of why the $29 SL and $169 Box Set SL will be the same:

Everyone seems to be thinking that because Mac OS X is normally $129, $129 of that $169 box set must be for Snow Leopard. As a deal, they are lowering the price of OS X, iLife, and iWork and bundling them together.

I am thinking of it instead like this: $29 of the $169 is for SL and $140 is for iLife and iWork ($70 each).

However, this theory doesn't make sense then that the Box Set is required if you don't have Leopard.
 
I didn't read this whole thread, but here's my theory of why the $29 SL and $169 Box Set SL will be the same:

Everyone seems to be thinking that because Mac OS X is normally $129, $129 of that $169 box set must be for Snow Leopard. As a deal, they are lowering the price of OS X, iLife, and iWork and bundling them together.

I am thinking of it instead like this: $29 of the $169 is for SL and $140 is for iLife and iWork ($70 each).

However, this theory doesn't make sense then that the Box Set is required if you don't have Leopard.

Possibly because Tiger users never bought Leopard?

Snow Leopard is like an add-on to Leopard. Why should Tiger users get Snow Leopard for only $129 while Leopard users had to pay $129 for Leopard and another $29 for Snow Leopard.

I think of it as this: Tiger users are actually paying for Leopard + Snow Leopard + iLife and iWork. That's an excellent deal if you ask me.
 
don't know if this has been posted already and I'm not trawling through 50 odd pages to look, anyway.

For UK UTD buyers. I was in the Regent Street store today and asked if utd would be shipped by 28th. The store manager who luckily overheard the conversation said not to worry was probably just the website not fully updating yet and that I should receive it on the 28th.

So good news although a few more days wouldn't have made a huge difference. :):)

my status on the order I made now say's Estimated Shipping: By August 28th
:D
 
the UPGRADE part means you have to have Leopard already in order to upgrade to SL, there is no indication and no reason why you wouldn't have the Erase and Install option available in the installer also, as the consideration also has to be taken into the fact that we may want to reinstall again in future, not just when going from Leopard to Snow Leopard.

Except for the fact that the GM (which was an upgrade disk/image) did not have the option to erase and install. I believe there is the ability to do a clean install from a drive with Snow Leopard installed if you want to do a clean install later though.
 
Except for the fact that the GM (which was an upgrade disk/image) did not have the option to erase and install. I believe there is the ability to do a clean install from a drive with Snow Leopard installed if you want to do a clean install later though.

A. what you think is the GM is not the GM.
B. When the install screen pops up you can use the disk utility to erase and install.
 
But what is the real GM? I think the 432A build is quiet buggy, too buggy to be the GM.

Sorry, but it doesn't matter what you, me or the ice-cream man think. You're not Apple. Apple has chosen a GM, and has pressed Snow Leopard discs. You will find out what build made it on the 28th or whenever you get your copy, and then you can complain about it.

There is no such thing as a bug-free OS anyway.

And one reason people are allowed to test builds is to report bugs so that Apple (and software developers) can fix/workaround them ahead of public release.
 
Sorry, but it doesn't matter what you, me or the ice-cream man think. You're not Apple. Apple has chosen a GM, and has pressed Snow Leopard discs. You will find out what build made it on the 28th or whenever you get your copy, and then you can complain about it.

There is no such thing as a bug-free OS anyway.

And one reason people are allowed to test builds is to report bugs so that Apple (and software developers) can fix/workaround them ahead of public release.

There ARE developers out there, who know what build the GM is. There is no need to be so RUDE to the guy!. It's not a NASA mission-critical secret, build numbers. Get a life mate, and stop being so uptight to polite questions; a build number MAY NOT be relevant to you, but who on EARTH are you, to question this relevance to OTHER PEOPLE, TO WHOM THIS MAY BE IMPORTANT?

I'll get the final, GM build number from my friends with ADC, and let you all know, seeing as it is NOT A SECRET!


My goodness, you people don't half make issues confusing!!!. Who gives a toss, I'm just gonna go and buy the DVD on Saturday, and cross whatever bridges when I come to them.

SHEEESSSHHHH!! :rolleyes::rolleyes:


Time to get on with the remaining 99.999% of my life
 
Sorry, but it doesn't matter what you, me or the ice-cream man think. You're not Apple. Apple has chosen a GM, and has pressed Snow Leopard discs. You will find out what build made it on the 28th or whenever you get your copy, and then you can complain about it.

There is no such thing as a bug-free OS anyway.

And one reason people are allowed to test builds is to report bugs so that Apple (and software developers) can fix/workaround them ahead of public release.


Yea that's truly right. My hope is that on the DVDs there will be a later build.
 
There ARE developers out there, who know what build the GM is. There is no need to be so RUDE to the guy!. It's not a NASA mission-critical secret, build numbers. Get a life mate, and stop being so uptight to polite questions; a build number MAY NOT be relevant to you, but who on EARTH are you, to question this relevance to OTHER PEOPLE, TO WHOM THIS MAY BE IMPORTANT?

I'll get the final, GM build number from my friends with ADC, and let you all know, seeing as it is NOT A SECRET!


My goodness, you people don't half make issues confusing!!!. Who gives a toss, I'm just gonna go and buy the DVD on Saturday, and cross whatever bridges when I come to them.

SHEEESSSHHHH!! :rolleyes::rolleyes:


Time to get on with the remaining 99.999% of my life

The ADC developers only have 10A432. Also, it's not labeled as GM as they've done in the past. It's labeled as pre-release just like all the other developer seeds. So when you ask your "friend" who has an ADC account, they're only going to tell you what we already know. Just because Apple seeded 10A432 to developers, doesn't mean it's the one that is on the DVD-ROM.
 
There ARE developers out there, who know what build the GM is. There is no need to be so RUDE to the guy!. It's not a NASA mission-critical secret, build numbers. Get a life mate, and stop being so uptight to polite questions; a build number MAY NOT be relevant to you, but who on EARTH are you, to question this relevance to OTHER PEOPLE, TO WHOM THIS MAY BE IMPORTANT?

I'll get the final, GM build number from my friends with ADC, and let you all know, seeing as it is NOT A SECRET!


My goodness, you people don't half make issues confusing!!!. Who gives a toss, I'm just gonna go and buy the DVD on Saturday, and cross whatever bridges when I come to them.

SHEEESSSHHHH!! :rolleyes::rolleyes:


Time to get on with the remaining 99.999% of my life

1. I'm not your mate
2. I wasn't responding to you
3. Nobody claimed that the build # is a secret; just that we'll all know that answer by friday so no need to get one's undies in a bunch trying to figure it out, especially just to insist that "well it can't be 432 because it's too buggy.
4. Judging from the amount of rolled eyes, exclamation points and caps in your response to a post that wasn't directed at you in the first place, you seem to be the one that's uptight.
5. Funnily enough the OP took no offense to my response. YOU need to go swallow the mythical Apple Tablet. With a tall glass of ice-cold water. And that, 'mate', was me being pointedly impolite to you.
 
My 10 pence on the clean install...

I will be absolutely gobsmacked if Snow Leopard does not let you do a clean install easily. Apple are all about simplicity so requiring a Leopard installation or Leopard disc moves away from this, and worryingly towards the crazy Microsoft license model.

My 10 pence on the delivery date...

These will be delivered on the 28th in the UK, at the very latest.
;)
 
FWIW I checked my UTD order today and it changed from "Ships September" to "Ships Aug 28." Still shows as "Not Yet Shipped" but a nice surprise none-the-less. My guess is that it will arrive, not ship, on Friday, which is a change from how Apple handled UTD copies in the past.
 
I haven't read through the whole thread so if it's been asked and answered I apologize. What options are there for install with Snow Leopard? I'm sure I'll get flamed for this; but is there by any chance some upgrade option to where I don't have to reinstall all my programs? Reinstalling Parralells and setting all the partitions, microsoft activation keys etc, will be a pain.
 
As opposed to some "cougars"...

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See what happens when you let Tim Cook take control of the company for a few months? haha. :D
 
My 10 pence on the clean install...

I will be absolutely gobsmacked if Snow Leopard does not let you do a clean install easily. Apple are all about simplicity so requiring a Leopard installation or Leopard disc moves away from this, and worryingly towards the crazy Microsoft license model.

My 10 pence on the delivery date...

These will be delivered on the 28th in the UK, at the very latest.
;)

Clean install is a must, I think it will just be a standard disc, it wont check for a previous version of OS X etc. If Apple were doing verification like this, they would have introduced serials.

As for delivery, according to Apple's website, at least the way it reads, they wont be shipping them until Friday. That said it would be the first pre-order I would have seen shipping on release day! Also with the bank holiday and whenever Royal Mail decide to strike, who knows when we will get ours!

Bit of Fred Slippage here but on the topic of Royal Mail, aren't they happy to just have a job now-a-days. I could give Royal Mail a nice list of people desperate to get into work, some of them with a good education!
 
My guess is that it will arrive, not ship, on Friday, which is a change from how Apple handled UTD copies in the past.

:confused:

If it says Ships by: Aug. 28 (normal preorders say Delivers on Aug. 28), and in the past, the UTD discs did not arrive on release date ... what logic tells you it will arrive on the 28th?
 
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