You can probably take unpaid leave for an extended period if desired. USA pays way less taxes than socialist countries like Canada and England.
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LMFAO. Actually pathetic to see someone support ****** worker rights. Your country is incredibly toxic that mindset is that common
You also have to realise the unintended consequences of not providing reasonable maternity benefits often force women out of the workforce as many aren’t comfortable or financially able to leave their newborn with a complete stranger. A parent’s comfort levels will increase as the infant gets older and childcare costs also decrease.
I’ve been living in the US from the UK for the last 5 years and see this situation all the time. Women leave the workplace for extended periods impacting long term job prospects and pay.
The gender pay gap impacts mothers the most because of this issue. Normalising the stigma of shared parental leave over time can help alleviate the gap
That is so obviously not the part they are talking about. You do understand you have to take care of the child you create too?
I will be sure to call you to work the extra hours to fill in for coworkers on leave.
I don’t think anyone is saying that this isn’t beneficial. But, its an extremely valuable benefit that people without kids will never get. Why can’t everyone get extended time off every two years or so? Would that be fair?
Here, it wouldn’t be for 3 months, it could be up to 12 months. Temporary replacements certainly do happen for higher skilled jobs, not necessarily under contract ( consulting ).
let’s assume you have 2 children and take the full 32 weeks off total.
Over a 45 year working career that’s 3.5 extra days per year a parent would get that a non-parent won’t get
You worked 1.3% harder. For that you’re much more likely to get promoted and raises over that parent who took the time off as well as not having the cost and social commitment of raising a child.
1.3% isn’t something to get worked up about
1.3% of a lifetime sounds like a lot to me. If you don’t think so why don’t you hand it over the paid leave $ to me while you are home with the kids.
Raises and promotions for those filling in for the people on leave aren’t guaranteed like the leave is.
You do realize that reproducing leads to a lifetime of raising a child, right? Or do you abandon your children? lol
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Okay boomer.
On a serious note, thank you! Second one is much easier than the first
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I don’t think people who have kids that don’t have a game plan should be having kids.
How does extra maternity leave help the pay gap? How is not working mean more raises?
At Microsoft, we have an additional 20% of bandwidth built in. This allows engineers to take sick days, holidays, attend conferences, and have children/take leave.
Maybe not everywhere has that type of wiggle room built in but having 20% bandwidth means my teammates aren't working extra hours right now while I'm on leave.
In regards to rewards money, at Microsoft, I'll be ineligible for the months I am away. Let's say I do an average job. In a normal year, I'd receive 10% bonus based off of 12 months salary for my average work. But this year, let's say I took 3 months of paternity leave. Now I'll only receive 10% bonus based off 9 months of salary (even though my leave is paid). That extra 3 months of bonus stays in the pool so my teammates will likely gets larger bonuses.
And no offense but you sound like you've never raised a kid. It's tough, especially for the first couple of weeks as you establish a routine. My outlook was similar to yours until my first one came. Now I suck it up because I know my coworker on leave needs the support. It's what you do when you care about someone.
Id say that’s fair. I think people just want equality. You can choose to have kids and use your time that way. I can choose to further my career and choose to work harder, use my time for conferences, whatever.
The thing is, nowadays, equality isn’t actually equality. People just wanna win.
Meanwhile in Asia, newly married women are asked when they will get pregnant during job interviews, so companies can avoid hiring them. Leave benefits are there but nobody dares to take them as companies will use it as an excuse to make your job no longer available when you return.
Those in developed countries with proper laws protecting workers rights should be grateful.
Those in developed countries with proper laws protecting workers rights should be grateful.
So, Dad, what value would you put on the child whose birth cost the mother $100,000-200,000 in lifetime wage? The mother loses income because she's not working, not producing value for her employer. But she choses to have the baby and raise it. Obviously it's worth something to her, to her family. Can you put a number on it? Is it more than the income she forgoes? Aren't we simply talking about the economic principle of 'opportunity costs'?
Meanwhile most European countries: Oh you‘re getting a baby? Please take 1-3 years off to be able to take care of them and watch them grow, we‘ll still pay you (not 100% but still).
But I guess every improvement is welcomed by these parents and since it‘s a profit oriented company which introduced this change and not the government, it‘s should be even more appreciated.
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In Germany it is illegal to ask such a question and the new hire can just lie if they want. Even if already pregnant you don‘t have to tell during a job interview.
But I guess every improvement is welcomed by these parents and since it‘s a profit oriented company which introduced this change and not the government, it‘s should be even more appreciated.
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In Germany it is illegal to ask such a question and the new hire can just lie if they want. Even if already pregnant you don‘t have to tell during a job interview.
If you value the company you work for more so than your own family, by all means. Why are you so concerned with others who want to prioritize his/her family? Are you jealous?
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Countries who realize about their stagnant or diminishing population growth will start caring for people choosing to be parents.
Unfortunately, many emerging countries have a large positive population growth, so they don’t care about parents. All the companies care about is taking advantage of people. It’s sad, and it will only break the society in the long run.
Another 5 years of uninterrupted sleep
How are companies taking advantage of people ?
People agree to work for a company in return for a wage. There is nothing forcing people to work for a company that they don't like.
Parental leave is taking advantage of single people and childless couples when they get stuck doing the work of the people who are on parental leave.
Sounds like your company doesn’t give much of a **** about their workers then. Where I work, if someone is going to be out because they’re having a kid or having major surgery, longer than a couple of weeks basically, we bring in contract employees to cover the gap. For hourly employees it’s can be a windfall in overtime, because you can volunteer to cover the gap the other employee is leaving if they work a different shift. I was talking to an hourly employee in our maintenance department who had a coworker that was going to be out of the office for 12 or so weeks because of major brain surgery. He’s going to cover his own shift and that guys shift for the entire time he’s out and pocket an extra $17k in overtime. It’s a hell of a lot of extra time at work but he’s basically getting ~40% extra money this year. He said he’s going to be able to pay off his entire car loan and all his credit card debt.
haha, you think an extension on the month leave by allowing flexible time for a month is going to make a difference in how children grow up in society? You have to be some kind of brain washed to believe this is anything but pandering.
if you really care how children grow up there should be a parent around the child at home instead of working 40-60hr work weeks but that’s another story.
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When you say “take care” you really mean work to pay for someone else to raise the child, right? Because going back to work full time even with a flexible schedule means you are most likely leaving the child with someone else.
Yes, I think Apple going from the old 16 week benefit to the 16 week + 4 flex is a good policy change.
My comment about society having a vested interest in children was in response to your charming reference to “crotch fruit bearing people” and the selfish attitude on display when you complained about “Other people pick up the slack without proper compensation”.
PS Here’s a thought: if you’re able to pick up slack without working overtime, maybe you normally have too much slack in your job. Ask your manager if there are any additional tasks you could pick up. That’s how people get promoted—by going above and beyond.
Yeah, I think the better policy is to be nice about unpaid time off or give more vacation (which of course means less salary). Personally I think people work more days out of the year than they should need to, especially software engineers, even for productivity. Approaching problems with a clear mind is much more valuable than working longer.