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You need to stop thinking your way. Lol. I get it - you like your preferences.

The reason many “Americans” think that way is because many of us are innovative entrepreneurs and we believe some day we will own businessss and have employees. We don’t all dream of being a corporate drone or employed by the govt and have them “give” us stuff. We think about what this would mean for our businesses and how much it would cost and how we might be able to employ less people and maybe our business isn’t even possible now because of these laws.

So - if you see corporations as a magic entity that has cash just sitting around to give out more goodies - you worry about employee benefits. Since I want
to be a start up owner and innovator I will worry about what the increasing costs of my business might be with laws that make me do things I don’t think are a good investment.
This is so frustrating to hear. It’s like the working class people who vote for Republicans because they want lower taxes just in case they become rich some day. 99% of these people will not start their own business or become millionaires but they vote against their own current interests just in case.

By the way, all of these regulations in the US like FMLA or the Affordable Care Act have carve outs for small businesses that exempt them from these types of healthcare or leave mandates so they don’t even effect these imaginary future entrepreneurs.
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Yeah, I think the better policy is to be nice about unpaid time off or give more vacation (which of course means less salary). Personally I think people work more days out of the year than they should need to, especially software engineers, even for productivity. Approaching problems with a clear mind is much more valuable than working longer.

I agree. I‘m one of the lucky few that gets a substantial amount of time off at a company where no one judges you for using it. I get 7 and a half weeks off each year and if coworkers hear you’re not going to use all your time they give you **** about it.
 
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This is so frustrating to hear. It’s like the working class people who vote for Republicans because they want lower taxes just in case they become rich some day. 99% of these people will not start their own business or become millionaires but they vote against their own current interests just in case.

By the way, all of these regulations in the US like FMLA or the Affordable Care Act have carve outs for small businesses that exempt them from these types of healthcare or leave mandates so they don’t even effect these imaginary future entrepreneurs.
ACA specifically taxes self-employed people and people not insured through the company more. Makes it harder to own or work for a small business.

The thing about US federal (and sometimes state) taxes is they're really high for middle class too. People aren't worried about becoming rich and getting taxed for it. They're worried about it only making sense to be lower class and take the benefits. And the social benefits suck anyway; social security dwarfs all other federal spending, and not much comes out of it. Idk why, seems like some corps are milking it. Europe seems to be better at spending govt money, but I don't prefer their way, nor was the US ever set up for such a system.

If Americans wanted more time off, they'd have it. I want it at least. I don't want the government mandating it.
 
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My country offers 12 months of paid paternity leave. The leave could also be flexible, which might give mom 9 months and dad 3 months, for example, or whatever the couple decides on.

16 weeks seems like very little. Putting kids in daycare after 16 weeks is completely pre-mature and crazy. They aren't ready for it at all. It is crucial for the children to be around their mom primarily for the first 12 months. This is very, very, very well known facts and common sense.
 
Why do Americans put up with such pitiful parental leave?

Yah, in Canada, parents can take up to 40 weeks of paid parental leave. Drastic difference, eh?
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Tax on childless people.

Can't argue with that. Paid leave is a brutal burden on companies. Heck, paying someone for a stat holiday... 8 hours of pay for doing NOTHING is mind-boggling. Employers are truly burdened with all the costs they must pay for nothing in return.
 
Meanwhile in civilized countries, we generally get 12 months. Recently they added an option for an extra six mo. if you accept the pay hit. We see it as an investment in the future, but I realize that isn’t an American ideal.

You mean the countries with failing economies right now or the ones who are just plain lazy asses?

I'm sorry, but I take the idea of America being uncivilized as an insult, but I guess you have nothing better to do not working but to kick America around since we're fully employed unlike Europe and most other places.

In addition, Apple's new spaceship campus allows employees to easily jump on the tail of the comet with full benefits should they decide to say F this world! :D

(Could no other picture be found than the spaceship one? I mean, it's ripe for jokes)
 
How are companies taking advantage of people ?

People agree to work for a company in return for a wage. There is nothing forcing people to work for a company that they don't like.

Parental leave is taking advantage of single people and childless couples when they get stuck doing the work of the people who are on parental leave.
If single and childless people don’t like the policy, then they can quit and move to another company. Why are they being taken advantage when they agree to work for a company that provides benefits for parents?

You should go work for a Chinese company if you like working so much.
 
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Meanwhile in civilized countries, we generally get 12 months. Recently they added an option for an extra six mo. if you accept the pay hit. We see it as an investment in the future, but I realize that isn’t an American ideal.
You know what's great is Americans don't care about mischaracterizations like this if they come from outside. Generally we see Europe as being stuck in the distant past (most of it still has restricted speech, wtf) with a weak economy, and worse so for other continents, so they don't get to talk. The US is well known for valuing families and having the means to accomplish that without an overbearing government.
 
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6 weeks for non-birth parents is a pretty crappy policy these days.

Yup.
In the UK, the company I work for offer 16 weeks over the period of 12 months to the non-birth parent.
My old employer was the statutory 2 weeks. Which is terrible.
 
There are consequences to every decision. When someone (usually the mom), takes maternity leave (once per child), and sometimes must return “part time,” they lose years of potential increases and advancement. Sometimes their dream job is gone forever, careers can stall.

If anyone believes that giving a new parent a 4-week grace period to adjust to work is somehow an unfair advantage over “non parents,” I think you’re so drastically out of touch that I find it hard to put it into words.

There was a study that showed that women lose $100,000-200,000 in lifetime wage every time they have a child. And, we’re squabbling about a 4-week “grace period?” Wow.

For the record, I’m a dad with 2 children. My wife would have loved the grace period.
If the company handles unpaid time off well, seems like the only difference is pay. 4 weeks of pay shouldn't matter that much if a 4 week grace period is as inconsequential as you make it sound, which I agree it is. So making the parent take unpaid time off seems like the least discriminatory, presumptuous, etc way to handle this. As hard as it is to sympathize with people who don't want kids. Also, employers may discriminate against those they're forced to effectively give more paid vacation to.

Disclaimer, not a parent cause too young. Will be some day if all goes the way I expect.
 
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You need to stop thinking that way.

Why should companies allow employees to take holidays, or have vacation or sick time? Those are all times where your employer is paying you to do nothing.

People's lives should matter. But Americans are accustomed to think of the business interests over their own.
Why should they allow vacation, because Americans won't work for a place that makes them work all year round. The way vacation and benefits are structured don't really matter; it's all $-per-time in the end, and that's the only way my employer sees it. That's fine, it's my job to care about my life, not the company's.
 
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16 weeks? Lol America. In Germany you get 66% of your pay for 12 months while at leave, and 14 months if both parents take the leave. And you can stretch the leave to two years with 33% pay or three years with 22%pay.
 
Awesome news for Apple employees! I just wish such parental, and social in general, benefits would be the government standard nationwide (US) than an outlier from private company.

I went back to work after about 3or four days for all four of my kids because I needed to get the heck out of that house.
 
GOOD! This is the way it's supposed to happen. Private companies should offer these extended benefits to try and lure great employees from other companies. We should NOT be universally mandating these things via government fiat.
 
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Meanwhile most European countries: Oh you‘re getting a baby? Please take 1-3 years off to be able to take care of them and watch them grow, we‘ll still pay you (not 100% but still).
But I guess every improvement is welcomed by these parents and since it‘s a profit oriented company which introduced this change and not the government, it‘s should be even more appreciated.
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In Germany it is illegal to ask such a question and the new hire can just lie if they want. Even if already pregnant you don‘t have to tell during a job interview.
European countries are also trying to fend off ethnic demographic collapse. They also give you free money just for having kids because few are.
 
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So what do the responsible people that don't help contribute to the overpopulation of the planet get? It's just another incentive for people to pop out more kids.
 
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Sounds like your company doesn’t give much of a **** about their workers then. Where I work, if someone is going to be out because they’re having a kid or having major surgery, longer than a couple of weeks basically, we bring in contract employees to cover the gap. For hourly employees it’s can be a windfall in overtime, because you can volunteer to cover the gap the other employee is leaving if they work a different shift. I was talking to an hourly employee in our maintenance department who had a coworker that was going to be out of the office for 12 or so weeks because of major brain surgery. He’s going to cover his own shift and that guys shift for the entire time he’s out and pocket an extra $17k in overtime. It’s a hell of a lot of extra time at work but he’s basically getting ~40% extra money this year. He said he’s going to be able to pay off his entire car loan and all his credit card debt.
Or my company is small, our margins are thin and heavily regulated, and we don’t have the resources to do what you propose. It’s amazing how quickly people revert to someone either hates or my company doesn’t care, or tries to find heroes or villains in these trade offs. Maybe a giant company like Apple with 37% margins can do things other companies can’t (and like I said- good for them). Too little imagination/too little experience leads people to post so much silliness.
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So what do the responsible people that don't help contribute to the overpopulation of the planet get? It's just another incentive for people to pop out more kids.
Well if you are young just sit back and wait. Demography is a pretty robust science and earth max population should be reached in your lifetime and will be declining for the rest of your life so rejoice!
 
Yeah, I think the better policy is to be nice about unpaid time off or give more vacation (which of course means less salary). Personally I think people work more days out of the year than they should need to, especially software engineers, even for productivity. Approaching problems with a clear mind is much more valuable than working longer.

Working excess hours is counterproductive, and can't understand why companies in the u.s get as little as 5 days vacation per year. Being at work doesn't mean more productivity, it often means less. Burned out employees are not productive. People need time out of work to rest / enjoy life. "A happy employee is a productive employee", and that really is the truth.
 
So what do the responsible people that don't help contribute to the overpopulation of the planet get? It's just another incentive for people to pop out more kids.

Many developed countries are actually *under* populated. Ever heard of the demographic time bomb? It's quite real.
 
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