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Apple Announces Expanded Employee Benefits for New Parents
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With 4 kids they'd have found a way to fire me way before giving me 56 weeks off.
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You get to live with your smug sense of superiority, and you have plenty of money for kitty litter and cat food.
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You get to live with your smug sense of superiority, and you have plenty of money for kitty litter and cat food.
No one FORCED you into your parenting experience. If you're working someplace like Apple, or another large employer, you can afford pre or post conception birth control and opt out of the experience.
I married late in life, my wife is infertile. There's no way I could survive the rigors of raising a child at my age, nor would I want to. So adoption is not an option
It's fair to complain that someone gets a benefit you don't when the circumstances that brought about that benefit are well within the recipients control in the modern age.
You want the "joy" of children? That's YOUR problem. Why are other team members forced to pickup the tab for that?
Would have been nice to get all that paid leave when I got clobbered with my congenital heart defect and had to take time off to get well enough to work again. Then dig out of the hole THAT episode left in my life.
Yeah, sleep. I got lots of sleep. Usually while in an OR or ICU. In the process almost lost my career, house, retirement.
Go on about how hard your parenting CHOICE was, and your lack of sleep. I'm listening...
Workers on H1B visa are full-time employees with the same benefits as citizens or green card holders. In the relationship between the employer and employee almost nothing changes when someone transitions from H1B to green card, and absolutely nothing changes when a green card holder becomes a citizen (except maybe in rare cases when an employee can now become involved in projects (partially) funded by the government that specifically prohibit certain foreign nationals from participating in the project).
A work culture that values and encourages parenthood is a good thing. This fantasy that we can have an idealized infertile workforce of committed workaholics is insane. We are human beings and not machines. There's no future for humanity without children, and certainly no future for work if there are no new workers.
I guess Greece didn't teach anything to EU members...
Enjoy until it lasts.
Euro-Area Prospects Tentatively Pick Up as German Orders Rebound
Economic prospects for the euro area brightened slightly going into the fourth quarter, with strengthening private-sector momentum and an unexpectedly sharp gain in German factory orders suggesting a growth pickup ahead.
www.bloomberg.com
Most companies offer about 15 days, plus 10 federal holidays, for skilled work. Some companies offer a bit more, some a bit less.
I get 10 holidays and 16 days of vacation (pretty soon it will bump to 18, then 20).
There are 251 work days in 2019, less 16 vacation days makes it 235 work days, or about 64% of the year are work days (and of those, only 1/3 of them are working hours). It's not really that bad.
(plus, most companies offer sick time; I get about 15 days of sick time)
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Not really. H1B visa holders can't change job at will as they have to resubmit their application. For them, this is basically having a gun pointed as "walking out of the door" from unfair conditions/salaries is much more difficult than what it would be for Citizens and permanent residents.
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Good for them! I was given ZERO time off as a dad with a new baby by my employer, one of the largest contractors in the world. They have since provided some time off, but all companies need to understand that fathers need parental leave too. Women need to recuperate after giving birth, and the fathers need to stay at home to help. It's a tough job caring for an infant, and families need all the help they can get. In my case, we couldn't even get day care until my baby was 5 months old. Thankfully, I had a lot of vacation saved up.
Firstly, I'm very sorry you cannot have kids of your own.
Secondly:
I'm bloody glad I don't work with you, reading the rest of your comment...
Slow downs are occurring all around the world.
Greece has nothing to do with this, it fact, is current economic issues were a long time coming over several decades of gross fiscal mismanagement.
Secondly:
I'm bloody glad I don't work with you, reading the rest of your comment...
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Slow downs are occurring all around the world.
Greece has nothing to do with this, it fact, is current economic issues were a long time coming over several decades of gross fiscal mismanagement.
I guess Greece didn't teach anything to EU members...
Enjoy until it lasts.
[automerge]1573138696[/automerge]Euro-Area Prospects Tentatively Pick Up as German Orders Rebound
Economic prospects for the euro area brightened slightly going into the fourth quarter, with strengthening private-sector momentum and an unexpectedly sharp gain in German factory orders suggesting a growth pickup ahead.
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Why should an employer be forced to pay you to NOT work because of a personal choice you made?
You can take advantage of it - if you want. I wasn't offered it, but if I were, I'd spread it out here and there. Kids need to go to the doctors and get sick a lot during the first year, so the extra time off wouldn't impact my company, and I could still help out my family.
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Nobody forced them???
Was it a while ago? Or are you a contractor? Because their policy is significantly better today: https://fortune.com/2017/10/25/ibm-careers-maternity-leave/
… but does it? Don't you think that companies will evaluate the cost of the employees absences and reduce the salaries accordingly? Do you really think that they will pay for an extended absence on top of loss of productivity and possibly on top of having to pay for temp work or Overtime pay that might be needed to help with the temporary vacancy?
Companies evaluate the cost of each employee, and if they have to factor in a likely extended absence, they will because they can't lose money on what is already Expense #1 (cost of labor). Women and young people will be paid less, and quite likely even hired less if this were to be forced upon companies. 2019 Apple can do it for the simple reason that they have more cash than anyone else in the world. 1997 Apple? It could've caused serious issues.
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I think Gene Kranz (Apollo flight director) mentioned in his book that he got a whooping total of zero days off when one or two of his many kids was born. Might be wrong on the book and person who wrote that.
First, today, nobody is forcing it. It should be forced, but it isn't.
Second, it wouldn't be forcing "an employer," it would be forcing "all employers." In other words, they'd all be on equal footing.
Third, the same reason we force employers to do anything good. Same reason we have wage and hours regulations, health and safety regulations, anti-discrimination regulations, job-protected medical leave, etc. The net benefits to the country (the residents collectively, or society) of having those requirements far exceeds their cost.
This policy isn’t even that great. It’s pretty normal to offer 5 months, even for non birthing parents. American Express, Goldman Sachs, Google, Spotify...etc. the list is longer than you think. Apples policies are unremarkable. Government employees get 3 months, sometimes unpaid. Private sector companies like those named above offer fully paid.
So you think that forcing Walmart and forcing the Mom and Pop bakery shop in paying someone for an extended absence... is "equal footing"? Really?
It was a different time. There are some dinosaurs in my company that still talk about how they were here working while their wife was in the hospital giving birth, and they didn't miss a single day of work. Or some guys say they were at their desk the day after their kid was born. They say it like it's something to be proud of, not realizing that it's actually very sad. I'm very glad my company has a much better policy today, and I'm very fortunate to be working for managers that not only respect this policy, but encourage us to make full use of it.
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False premise. Nothing about Walmart vs Mom and Pop Baker is truly equal. Ever.
But in the same way both Walmart and Mom and Pop Bakery have to comply with ADA, OSHA, FMLA, etc. - yes, workplace regulations should apply equally to all.
Oh, I am glad too that things changed. I just found it an amusing piece of trivia. At my place (gov't) we're encouraged to use all available leave balance options, sometimes they even chase us down if we're in a "use it or lose it" situation.
Well during the red scare the American people were successfully convinced that coming together to demand better rights and benefits for workers was letting Communism creep into society and I think we're still feeling the affects of that. When workers protest for better compensation they're generally met with "Well if you want more you're going to just need to work harder for it. Stop being lazy" or in this case "Sorry, if you want to have a kid and need time off why should a company need to compensate you for it when you're not getting work done for them." We're certainly behind the rest of the developed world in several areas.
You started talking about equal footing. You also make a false equivalency. ADA, OSHA, etc. are about stuff that is company related and outside the personal sphere of the employees or the owners. Often, all of the above is controllable (FMLA might be the only exception, however it is factored in).
Pregnancies? 100% personal decision, however what you propose affects the employer more than the employee, and you want the employer to pay for it for an extended time. This is an unacceptable proposition that would make small companies go bankrupt, and quite likely women less hirable. I am all for time off, and I do think that most companies should offer it, but mandating it? No way.
Forced? It's called a benefit and used to attract talent in a very competitive environment.
If the thought of Apple offering a benefit makes you unhappy, then please don't apply to Apple for employment.
Simple.
He was replying to a post that said that this should be mandated by the USG. I don't think anyone is arguing against this as an elective benefit.
Thanx for the heads-up. I misread the post he was responding to. My apologies.