Apple Announces Final Cut Pro and Logic Pro for iPad With Subscription Models

[Wando64]

Logic Pro on an iPad Pro with no headphone Jack… if you need to use headphones this will be painful with the latency over Bluetooth unless they have a fix for that?

If you are using Logic Pro, in most cases your device is going to be connected to an audio interface.

 

[TheYayAreaLiving 🎗️]

MKHBD makes a good point?

https://twitter.com/x/status/1656055771451494400

 

[Unregistered 4U]

MKHBD makes a good point?

https://twitter.com/x/status/1656055771451494400

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More of a snarky point than a good point, but snark IS the currency of the internet these days 🙂 (I’m just glad that how I get paid doesn’t depend on continual snarkiness!)

Anything subscribed to on an iPad through the store is trivially easy to unsubscribe. Heck, just go into settings and run down the whole list tap tap tap tap tap tap tap tap. Done.

Of course, there are those companies like Netflix that KNOW it’s easy to unsubscribe, so they intentionally only make subscription available on the lowest tier. At that point, if someone isn’t looking at their credit card bill and making a note of what appears on there, then no service is going to help them!

 

[mdriftmeyer]

Well looking at Ventura license I see we still do not really own it it is clearly owned by apple and licensed to us for use on official apple hardware we do own. So its part of the hardware and apple can change things including making changes, killing/stopping features and so on…..

https://www.apple.com/legal/sla/docs/macOSVentura.pdf

”APPLE INC.
SOFTWARE LICENSE AGREEMENT FOR macOS Ventura
For use on Apple-branded Systems
PLEASE READ THIS SOFTWARE LICENSE AGREEMENT (“LICENSE”) CAREFULLY BEFORE USING THE APPLE SOFTWARE. BY USING THE APPLE SOFTWARE, YOU ARE AGREEING TO BE BOUND BY THE TERMS OF THIS LICENSE. IF YOU DO NOT AGREE TO THE TERMS OF THIS LICENSE, DO NOT INSTALL AND/OR USE THE APPLE SOFTWARE AND, IF PRESENTED WITH THE OPTION TO “AGREE” OR “DISAGREE” TO THE TERMS, CLICK “DISAGREE”. IF YOU ACQUIRED THE APPLE SOFTWARE AS PART OF AN APPLE HARDWARE PURCHASE AND IF YOU DO NOT AGREE TO THE TERMS OF THIS LICENSE, YOU MAY RETURN THE ENTIRE APPLE HARDWARE/ SOFTWARE PACKAGE WITHIN THE RETURN PERIOD TO THE APPLE STORE OR AUTHORIZED DISTRIBUTOR WHERE YOU OBTAINED IT FOR A REFUND, SUBJECT TO APPLE’S RETURN POLICY FOUND AT https://www.apple.com/legal/sales-support/. YOU MUST RETURN THE ENTIRE HARDWARE/SOFTWARE PACKAGE IN ORDER TO OBTAIN A REFUND……

…….1. General.
A. The Apple software (including Boot ROM code), any third party software, documentation, interfaces, content, fonts and any data accompanying this License (“Original Apple Software”), as may be updated or replaced by feature enhancements, software updates, security responses, system files, or system restore software provided by Apple for your Apple-branded computer or supported peripheral device (“Apple Software Changes”), whether preinstalled on Apple-branded hardware, on internal storage, on removable media, on disk, in read only memory, on any other media or in any other form (the Original Apple Software and Apple Software Changes are collectively referred to as the “Apple Software”), are licensed, not sold, to you by Apple Inc. (“Apple”) for use only under the terms of this License. Apple and/ or Apple’s licensors retain ownership of the Apple Software itself and reserve all rights not expressly granted to you. You agree that the terms of this License will apply to any Apple-branded application software product that may be preinstalled on your Apple-branded hardware, unless such product is accompanied by a separate license, in which case you agree that the terms of that license will govern your use of that product…..

…….C. Title and intellectual property rights in and to any content displayed by or accessed through the Apple Software belongs to the respective content owner. Such content may be protected by copyright or other intellectual property laws and treaties, and may be subject to terms of use of the third party providing such content. Except as otherwise provided herein, this License does not grant you any rights to use such content nor does it guarantee that such content will continue to be available to you. You are prohibited from republishing, retransmitting or reproducing any images accessed through News or Maps as a stand-alone file……

……6. Apple reserves the right to stop making Apple Eligible Content available for caching on your Caching Enabled Mac (e.g., some content that you may have previously cached may not be available for subsequent caching) and to remove any cached Apple Eligible Content from your Caching Enabled Macs at any time in its sole discretion, and Apple shall have no liability to you in such event. You understand that such caching of Apple Eligible Content may not be available in all countries or regions. You may remove the cached Apple Eligible Content and disable the Content Caching Features at any time…..

….. Transfer.
A. If you obtained the Apple Software preinstalled on Apple-branded hardware or if you obtained your license to the Apple Software from the Mac App Store or through a software update, you may make a one-time permanent transfer of all of your license rights to the Apple Software (in its original form as provided by Apple) to another party, provided that: (i) the Apple Software is transferred together with your Apple-branded hardware; (ii) the transfer must include all of the Apple Software, including all its component parts and this License; (iii) you do not retain any copies of the Apple Software, full or partial, including copies stored on a computer or other storage device; and (iv) the party receiving the Apple Software reads and agrees to accept the terms and conditions of this License. For purposes of this License, if Apple provides an update (e.g., version 10.14 to 10.14.1) to the Apple Software, the update is considered part of the Apple Software and may not be transferred separately from the pre-update version of the Apple Software…..

On what planet would you think you own a copy of macOS and all the IP involved?

 

[Techwatcher]

Holy crap why the hell did this take so long? At least the iPad Pro can finally do pro-

"Subscription model"

Nevermind...

Not really understanding the “Nevermind” because the subscription model has been in the rumors since the beginning.

I for one cannot believe they actually did this. Very excited. Day one.

 

[headwerkn]

Subscription?

Sigh... c'mon Apple, you're better than that.

 

[mdriftmeyer]

The thing with subscription models is you can pay them each month and they can simply sit back and do nothing. Look at Avid Pro Tools. It took those guys 3 years to produce a beta version of Apple Silicon Pro Tools. Pro Tools costs $29.99 per month so that would be over $1000 to get Apple Silicon support. That's twice as much as a perpetual (permanent) license.

With paid updates, they have to produce something worthwhile to get paid. That could even be a compatibility update for a new MacOS.

Yes, but the HDX hardware means all their decades of proven tools are run on the audio interface you have spent over $4k for and know it will produce actual grammy level productions.

But in the meantime you had Rosetta 2 or just used your current x86 box until it was ready, then upgrade to Silicon. The power is in their dedicated hardware with FPGAs and DSPs not to mention ARM on-board processors, not Apple's Silicon MacBook Pro or Mac mini, or Mac Studio.

DSP Audio System for Music and Post - Pro Tools | HDX

Experience the pinnacle of audio production with Avid Pro Tools HDX. Achieve studio-quality sound and unparalleled performance in your projects.

www.avid.com

Pro Tools | Carbon - HDX DSP-accelerated audio interface

Pro Tools | Carbon is an audio interface that combines your native CPU power with onboard HDX DSP acceleration for low-latency music production

www.avid.com

https://www.avid.com/products?categories={A81C0930-B5C5-4D4C-A1A8-84FC96F1DD36}

Apple made in-roads with Logic because of its $199 price for 10 years of free upgrades. If they're going to go subscription with the flagship Logic a lot of folks with gear to use both Pro Tools and Logic will switch to Pro Tools and not add a secondary subscription.

Most mastering work is done on Pro Tools.

 

[UnbreakableAlex]

I never use subscription apps. It’s just not how I roll. I think it’s time to look for jailbreaks again.

 

[Spaceboi Scaphandre]

Not really understanding the “Nevermind” because the subscription model has been in the rumors since the beginning.

I for one cannot believe they actually did this. Very excited. Day one.

Because I was hoping I'd be able to use my copy I already have on my Mac, but I guess Apple doesn't want crossbuy.

 

[Macalway]

If you are using Logic Pro, in most cases your device is going to be connected to an audio interface.

Standard single port dilemma. Charging at the same time is also one heck of an issue. The Magic Keyboard solves that, but you probably need a USB-C Hub, with an around a 60W PD port. Then the Audio Interface or simply a headphone dongle.

I never use subscription apps. It’s just not how I roll. I think it’s time to look for jailbreaks again.

So how do you roll in regards to this?, I'm curious.

 

[garranhado]

why didn't they save this for wwcd I wonder?

Maybe because something big will spotlight at WWDC.

 

[garranhado]

They’re probably doing subscriptions because the App Store doesn’t support paid upgrades.

If only the FCP and LP teams had some influence at the company that runs the App Store.

I think Apple should implement optional paid upgrades for major versions (1.0, 2.0, …) and minor versions (1.1, 1.2, …).

 

[Digitalguy]

Standard single port dilemma. Charging at the same time is also one heck of an issue. The Magic Keyboard solves that, but you probably need a USB-C Hub, with an around a 60W PD port. Then the Audio Interface or simply a headphone dongle.


So how do you roll in regards to this?, I'm curious.

I use a tiny USB C hub with a couple of USB A ports, one for the small Roland audio interface and one to connect to my (music) keyboard, and a USB C port for power if I need to charge, but I rarely do.

 

[Student of Life]

Im not sure if it has been mentioned but this would be a great software to add to the bundle of Apple One subscription. That would be a way to get more people to sign up to Apple One.

 

[Ghost31]

Spoken, no doubt, from a member of a generation that doesn’t own its music, doesn’t own its own home, doesn’t own a car. Rent ware, in the end, is vapor ware. You don’t pay the monthly fee, you lose the ability to make changes to your source material.

Yes. I’m a 39 year old kid. What do I know? Only that if I hear a song I like, I don’t have to buy it. If I browse playlists, I can have anything I want. All for a flat fee vs a limited pathetic little music collection I had in the 90’s.

Totally. But yeah. $300 software I might only use every now and then is a way better deal than a $5 a month thing I can cancel whenever I don’t use it

 

[MacHeritage]

This is BIG and feels like when Apple used to update things "all of a sudden" back in the early 2000's. You didn't know something was coming and boom it was there and was a fun shock.

Only issue for me is subscription. Don't do those. Shame.

Why they didn't leave this for WWDC, I don't know. I could totally see this being for WWDC. They must have other things in minds for that.

 

[CarAnalogy]

I’m sorry but that is the most basic thing to hang you up. If THAT is what is stopping you from using an iPad, how are you even using a phone? Have you tried using a keyboard and mouse? A 2 minute YouTube video might have helped you too, but you just stopped using it because of that?

I stopped using the iPad for that specific task because I had just done it earlier on a Mac and it was way easier. For one thing, the app version didn’t scale properly in split screen. I was using the Apple Pencil. This is what Apple says you can do. If I have to bust out a keyboard and mouse for the iPad then what is the point?

I think you may have understood me to mean that I quit using the iPad entirely. I still use it all the time, but not for work. In fact you may wonder why I even have it. It was given to me by someone who also tried to use it for work and discovered that it didn’t meet their work needs either.

 

[gevalt]

Where is the flood of comments complaining about Adobe's subscription model?

been there, done that for years already. everyone knows.

 

[nathansz]

Can you confirm it doesn’t support plug ins? I’ve read it does.

Multitouch is already one way the iPad could be better. Pencil support too. If you use a mouse/trackpad and keyboard with the iPad, what would be fundamentally different in terms of input? I can have FILES and many other windows open and floating, I’ve become pretty proficient with Stage Manager on the 13” iPad. My AU plug ins and external instruments and devices also work great with GarageBand, so they should work with Logic Pro.

I didn’t say that it doesn’t support plug ins

 

[nathansz]

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That what’s audio interfaces are for

I’d be surprised if many people are plugging headphones straight in to a computer while using logic

 

[nathansz]

Yes. I’m a 39 year old kid. What do I know? Only that if I hear a song I like, I don’t have to buy it. If I browse playlists, I can have anything I want. All for a flat fee vs a limited pathetic little music collection I had in the 90’s.

Totally. But yeah. $300 software I might only use every now and then is a way better deal than a $5 a month thing I can cancel whenever I don’t use it

If you only use it once and awhile garageband is probably sufficient

Indeed, it will be interesting to see where ipad logic falls on the continuum between macos logic and garageband

And I don’t know what logic is in $US today but for CDN$250 it is an absolute steal

 

[Zachari]

It’s much more reasonable to sell a 300$ software on Mac that on an iPad (a device that cost less than half compared to a MacBook Pro). Also, 49$ per year is much more affordable than Adobe, so i don’t think that it is all that bad

No. I'd pay 50 for the app, to own, but not 50 a year to a literal 2 TRILLION-dollar company. Hell. no.

 

[ipedro]

Apple One + 2TB gives me 4TB. I’m using 2.2 TB now.

Can you add more? Honestly, 2TB isn’t enough if you’re a Final Cut power user. I could see a way around this, keeping only projects currently in progress and libraries you frequently go back to. You can archive the rest on a local drive.

But Apple’s stingy approach to cloud storage really is a sore point and frankly kind of embarrassing.

 

[RobArtLyn]

Im not sure if it has been mentioned but this would be a great software to add to the bundle of Apple One subscription. That would be a way to get more people to sign up to Apple One.

It has, but I do not understand why. FCP and LP have absolutely nothing in common with the type of services bundled in Apple One, other than the general idea of a monthly subscription. It would be a segment of “one of these things is not like the others” on Sesame Street.

 

[ipedro]

iCloud is not a professional storage system. It was built for consumers. I use it every day, but Pro's have different kind of requirements, especially in terms of security, performance and availability.

Fair point. But Apple is now making professional applications that requires a professional storage system. Their move.