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I’m trying to picture what this use case is exactly that you need to RUN from person to person with a laptop open and some audio or video editing software up and running

Let alone how a tablet running inferior software is going to make that so much better just because you don’t have to hold it open
Just because you can’t picture the use case doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist. People have different preferences. Maybe you’re fine with carrying around a laptop from person to person when you’re collaborating on a project, but some people would rather carry a tablet. As a person who uses my iPad as my primary computer, I find it’s a lot more convenient to carry a tablet over to show someone something across the room than do the same with a MacBook. I’ve done this with both, and with a tablet you can just hold it with one hand and not have to worry about balancing it with one hand the way you do with a MacBook. But that’s just my preference, I’m sure there are others who prefer carrying a MacBook.
 
Not sure if that's correct or if stock prices are an indicator of usage. I think Adobe started the subscription model 2011-2012 which is where you would think it would start dropping, but it actually started going up continuously since the start of the subscription model.
your own graph shows a downward spiral, but of course it innitially went up after they announced subscriptions, as everyone (read -> investors) knows there's a boat load of money to be made. However, when you're the one who has to hook up a vacuum cleaner to your wallet for the subscription, it's a different story. I have lost count over the past couple of years of how many people have switched from something like Photoshop to Affinity Photo or Designer. That's because Affinitys products have all the same features as the Adobe counterpart, and you just pay $69 one time, not a ransom fee month after month like Adobe charges (plus all your photoshop PSD files are compatible). Apple has actually awarded Affinity "Best Mac app of the year" around 3 times now.

The exception to this subscription rule will probably be Adobe's new AI program, which might be worthy of paying a subscription fee, at least until other companies offer similar programs.

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I think a lot of that is likely related to muscle memory of how you perform certain tasks. You get used to doing things a certain way, that's all you know.

I know people who have been creating music in GarageBand for iPad and having a whale of a time doing it. They never got used to DAWs on normal keyboard/mouse/window-based operating systems so they don't know any different. In fact, their workflow is more like folks who came up making music on samplers like the Akai MPC60.
Exactly, I think you hit the nail on the head! 👍🏻. For people who are used to specific workflows, adapting to new workflows can be difficult and unappealing. But I think a lot of people underestimate the abilities of tablets. They assume that because you can’t do something the exact same way as on the desktop, that means you can’t do it on the tablet, but in reality, a lot of times you can, you just need to know how it works on the tablet because it’s optimized for different inputs. But I think the beauty of iPadOS is that it’s a modular OS unlike macOS which means that additional complexity can be added on top. Look at Stage Manager for example, it’s an optional add-on that adds more functionality and familiarity to laptop users without replacing or removing iPadOS’s approachable base interactions.
 
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As a person who uses my iPad as my primary computer, I find it’s a lot more convenient to carry a tablet over to show someone something across the room than do the same with a MacBook. I’ve done this with both, and with a tablet you can just hold it with one hand and not have to worry about balancing it with one hand the way you do with a MacBook.
I agree 110% - but lets not forget other perks to using an iPad, like handing it to your customer/client and how they can actually sign their signature for a document, instead of awkwardly trying to do the same thing with a mouse.

It feels and looks much more professional to the client ;)
 
It shouldn't need time though - they should have made it support the same AU's that feature in macOS, you should just be able to drag them over to the iPad.
Well, I would imagine most people have all the great plug-ins already on their Mac I know I already do. I have all the eventide sound toys a whole bunch of stuff from 30 years of mixing so I don’t care what they have for the iPad. Probably just start the project on the iPad Anyway and finish it on the Mac but I understand people want to be ready now. Hell most of the stuff that logic has is damn good already.
 
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I think this move makes sense for a number of reasons.

FCP exists to sell Macs. Follow any number of tech YouTubers and they will tell you that their main reason for sticking with a Mac is because of FCP, which they prefer to Premeire for video editing. It's the other way around for iOS devices. People are not going to be paying a hundred dollars for an iPad app, no matter how well-designed it is. A subscription model is one way of making the cost seem more palatable to the consumer.

Tke FCP for example. Yes, it's $300 on Mac, and not everybody is a working adult with a few hundred dollars at their disposal. The ability to pay $5 a month dramatically lowers the barrier to entry, especially for younger people.

Also, if moving to a subscription model means more regular updates for said app, I consider it a win-win for users as well.
Yes, for the iPad makes sense.
 
your own graph shows a downward spiral, but of course it innitially went up after they announced subscriptions, as everyone (read -> investors) knows there's a boat load of money to be made. However, when you're the one who has to hook up a vacuum cleaner to your wallet for the subscription, it's a different story. I have lost count over the past couple of years of how many people have switched from something like Photoshop to Affinity Photo or Designer. That's because Affinitys products have all the same features as the Adobe counterpart, and you just pay $69 one time, not a ransom fee month after month like Adobe charges (plus all your photoshop PSD files are compatible). Apple has actually awarded Affinity "Best Mac app of the year" around 3 times now.

The exception to this subscription rule will probably be Adobe's new AI program, which might be worthy of paying a subscription fee, at least until other companies offer similar programs.

Adobe losing subscribers

Apples Mac Apple of the Year

Illustrator rival wins Apple Award
Except, Adobes photography sub is an absolute bargain. Especially in comparison to the previous prices, which needed to be repaid on each major upgrade, so every few years.

It's 11.99 - You get; Photoshop, Lightroom Classic, Bridge, Lightroom CC, Lightroom CC iPad, Photoshop iPad, Lightroom CC iOS, Adobe Portfolio and 5 websites, 20gb CC cloud storage, the entire cloud syncing infrastructure and loads of little subsidiary apps and benefits that I can't even think of right now. It's never gone up since I started.

The Affinity suite, whilst good, isn't even in the same ballpark. Comparing the one off payments of Affinity Photo mac and Affinity Photo iPad (around 100, which needed to be paid again at v2, (including a price increase) - so not 'one time'), and all that is is a Photoshop substitute. None of the rest.

The comparison is totally and utterly unfeasible. And Adobe wins hands down if you're a professional using the stuff day in day out. Affinity is awesome and I use the whole suite on the iPad - but its nothing compared to PS+LR across Mac and iPad. Don't get me wrong.. I wish it was! But it's really not.
 
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Except, Adobes photography sub is an absolute bargain.
You're certainly entitled to your opinion. A lot of professionals just write those cost off as business expenses, so essentially they're not paying for it out of pocket. I don't think the majority of people buying the FCP iPad app will be writing it off :apple:
 
And instead gave us USB-C meaning you can now use a professional grade external DAC however, without a dongle.
I think if you were to use the iPad as your main computer you would likely need a hub of some sort anyway. What do you mean by dongle? If you mean an iLok or something like a Steinberg key, I don't think any of those products will work on iPad anyway. Maybe you mean a USB storage device?
 
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Yes but not everyone uses the Magic Keyboard, plus you can remove the iPad and reattach it to the iPad. It also depends on which iPad, the 11” or 12.9”

What’s very interesting tho is that Final Cut Pro and Logic can both work on the M1 iPad Air 5th gen. I honestly thought Apple would reserve it for the Pros only.

The Air has the same M1 as the 2021 iPad Pro. In some respects it is the “Pro Lite.” I’m guessing that future Airs and Pros will get M-series chips while the “base” and mini get A-series chips, with “pro” apps limited to the M-series iPads.
 
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You're certainly entitled to your opinion. A lot of professionals just write those cost off as business expenses, so essentially they're not paying for it out of pocket. I don't think the majority of people buying the FCP iPad app will be writing it off :apple:
That's right. At least where I live you can immediately write off a subscription 100% that year which is more convenient that writing off purchased software which you get back over time.
 
The people who are whining and claiming that the iPad Pro is not a pro device have never used an iPad Pro. Simple as that. Having said that it is a different work environment. Using the iPad with the pencil just feels much more intuitive. In the end iPads and MacBooks are simply tools, and how you use those tools matter what you get out of them. A lot of people are also forgetting about the new 16" iPad Pro that's coming out and being geared toward creative professionals. It will have its own OS (MacOS lite) and I'm guessing it will change a lot of peoples minds about this topic.

I understand why people say iPad Pros are not Pro and I would partly agree with them. However, let's wait until WWDC to pass judgement as each year the iPad becomes more capable. External monitor support was a huge one, but we need to get Pro apps onto the iPad. This is the last *major* drawback of the iPad which Apple seems to be addressing by bringing FCP/ LPX to iPadOS.
 
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Apple release two Pro apps as subscriptions, however there is no way for businesses to be able to purchase subscriptions or in-app purchases through Business Manager. Just hope they do not do this with the desktop apps, or at least finally change ABM for businesses to be able to buy in-app purchases.
 
Disagree. If you go back and watch Steve Jobs' iPad keynotes (iPad 1 and iPad 2), he nailed the positioning. A device that sits between a smartphone and a Mac and is better at certain key tasks than both of them. Not a netbook but better than a netbook (this is what he compared the iPad to in the first keynote). This is where the iPad shines and this is still the vast majority of use cases for the iPad. It allows the iPad to be the "computer for the rest of us" and the Mac to be a tool for professional use.
Except that the computing power of the iPad 1 and 2 just wasn't there.

Not allowing the iPad to be used with the Mac as a drawing tablet first gen seems like a complete blunder to me.
 
I think if you were to use the iPad as your main computer you would likely need a hub of some sort anyway. What do you mean by dongle? If you mean an iLok or something like a Steinberg key, I don't think any of those products will work on iPad anyway. Maybe you mean a USB storage device?
No I mean DAC - or proper powered USB Soundcards e.g. Focusright, MOTU etc. They can be used directly connected to an iPad Pro without a hub or dongle.

But yes, if you're planning more than a few hours at a time, you will need a powered hub.
 
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So today I was working within MacOS Photoshop and wanted to do some work in iPadOS Photoshop with the Apple Pencil. I saved to the cloud and opened on iPad. Photoshop for iPad gave me a grief message because it didn't have the features of the MacOS versions. Secondly, two "go to" tools (ex quick mask mode) didn't even exist for iPadOS Photoshop. I ended up just going back to my MBP to finish the job.

I think in order for an iPadOS Pro app to successful it needs to have most if not all of the features of the MacOS version. Similarly the UI needs to be the same, if not very similar. I understand there isn't as much screen space to have the exact same UI, but maybe it should be a show/ hide kind of thing much like the dock or the menu bar in MacOS.


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No I mean DAC - or proper powered USB Soundcards e.g. Focusright, MOTU etc. They can be used directly connected to an iPad Pro without a hub or dongle.

But yes, if you're planning more than a few hours at a time, you will need a powered hub.
Ah I see what you mean. Thanks.
 
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Finally something that will start to use the iPad hardware.
Plenty of apps are capable of using the iPad hardware already, and have been able to for several years now. Or do you mean Apple apps?
So today I was working within MacOS Photoshop and wanted to do some work in iPadOS Photoshop with the Apple Pencil. I saved to the cloud and opened on iPad. Photoshop for iPad gave me a grief message because it didn't have the features of the MacOS versions. Secondly, two "go to" tools (ex quick mask mode) didn't even exist for iPadOS Photoshop. I ended up just going back to my MBP to finish the job.

I think in order for an iPadOS Pro app to successful it needs to have most if not all of the features of the MacOS version. Similarly the UI needs to be the same, if not very similar. I understand there isn't as much screen space to have the exact same UI, but maybe it should be a show/ hide kind of thing much like the dock or the menu bar in MacOS.


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Agreed, though to be fair - it’s a complete rewrite and a work in progress and they stated as such. It’s getting better and better (the first release couldn’t even open a raw wtf). I don’t use Photoshop on the iPad at all, I can't get to grips with these limitations. I use it on the Mac via Astropad or use AP on the iPad if I need that kind of app. I very much like LR on the iPad though, and that has feature parity with all of the other LR cc apps, and has a fairly good and easy to use sync with Classic and also feature parity with most things (none of those types of annoying incompatible messages anyway).
 
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Consider that DaVinci is free…. FinalCut as a subscription model is a pretty bad call from Apple on this one IMHO.
I wonder how the Free da Vinci compares to Final Cut that’s going to be on the iPad?
Does it offer the same tools? I haven’t used Final Cut a long time and I want to get an editor for iPad so I’m asking. Oh, and does da Vinci require an M1? Thanks.
 
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