Apple Announces Final Cut Pro and Logic Pro for iPad With Subscription Models

[gank41]

I wonder how the Free da Vinci compares to Final Cut that’s going to be on the iPad?
Does it offer the same tools? I haven’t used Final Cut a long time and I want to get an editor for iPad so I’m asking. Oh, and does da Vinci require an M1? Thanks.

There’s only been a very small group of pre-selected people asked to demo both Final Cut & Logic for iPad. There’s not been one mention of WHICH iPad these folks demo’ed the apps on. Could be a brand new maxed out iPad Pro? Who knows. There’s been a lot of bashing on these not-yet-released apps, and don’t forget that there’s a trial period. It’s understandable that people are skeptical, but I mean geesh.. looking over how many pages in the post now? LOTS of seemingly angry people, mostly about the price. I’m getting both apps on day one, without even thinking about how much it’ll cost. I’m just going to use them like I would intend to, and then after a week I’ll decide whether it’s worth it to maybe just pay for a month to determine if I need more time, or maybe I’ll just delete them and continue to use Logic on my MBP. Lots of speculation at this point, but IMO no need to be as pessimistic as so many others here. It might end up that these are two super great apps! Who knows! 🙂

 

[cupcakes2000]

I wonder how the Free da Vinci compares to Final Cut that’s going to be on the iPad?
Does it offer the same tools? I haven’t used Final Cut a long time and I want to get an editor for iPad so I’m asking. Oh, and does da Vinci require an M1? Thanks.

I dont use FCP but Davinci on the iPad is absolutely amazing. It doesn't need an M1 but not everything works well, properly or at all without it. For basics its fine without one - only speaking from experience using my 2018 IPP, don't know about other iPads. You can look over their website and it tells what the limitations are.
It's free so test it.

 

[fourthtunz]

I dont use FCP but Davinci on the iPad is absolutely amazing. It doesn't need an M1 but not everything works well, properly or at all without it. For basics its fine without one - only speaking from experience using my 2018 IPP, don't know about other iPads. You can look over their website and it tells what the limitations are.
It's free so test it.

Thanks I appreciate that. I may end up Upgrading to the M1 iPad anyway, either the
iPad Air five or the older 2021 pro

 

[practicein2021]

Lots of speculation at this point, but IMO no need to be as pessimistic as so many others here. It might end up that these are two super great apps! Who knows! 🙂

Well. We already know that this is going to be a subscription, which is more than enough to warrant complaints from some people. It's Ok if you prefer paying monthly - many people do, but myself and many other creative people I know prefer paying for software outright, because we tend to use them a lot.

Also, we know from early reactions videos that the app won't allow you to transfer projects to FCP on MacOS. Apparently, once you stared a project on iPad, you're stuck with it there. That's a dumb move by Apple - how many serious film editors will be Ok with something like that? If I'm being correct, DaVinci Resolve provides such compatibility from day one.

I don't have iPad with M chip, so I don't really care, but it does seem disappointing. Like, they could have made the launch better, you know

 

[practicein2021]

A lot of people are also forgetting about the new 16" iPad Pro that's coming out and being geared toward creative professionals. It will have its own OS (MacOS lite) and I'm guessing it will change a lot of peoples minds about this topic.

Where are you getting all of that from? 😂

 

[groove-agent]

A lot of people are also forgetting about the new 16" iPad Pro that's coming out and being geared toward creative professionals. It will have its own OS (MacOS lite) and I'm guessing it will change a lot of peoples minds about this topic.

What is your source for the "new 16" iPad Pro..." that "... will have its own OS (MacOS lite)"? Those are some pretty unsupported allegations out of nowhere. I'm AM hoping you're correct.

I agree with most of what you said though. We're evaluating these apps based on face value without trying them, nor do we know what WWDC 2023 will bring with respect to the iPad.

I'm getting pretty excited about the rumours about WWDC 2023 so far. Hopefully the event won't be a let down.

 

[practicein2021]

I agree with most of what you said though. We're evaluating these apps based on face value without trying them, nor do we know what WWDC 2023 will bring with respect to the iPad.

Everybody is assuming that they announced these apps via press-release because they are planning something epic for the event but it was likely done to mitigate pushback over the subscription format.

If WWDC will bring something amazing for iPad, that would be cool. But most of the time people are left disappointed.

The only hype around WWDC iPadOS-related announcement I remember was Stage Manager - the feature that got negative reactions at launch

 

[Mac... nificent]

Where are you getting all of that from? 😂

It has been covered many times. Search for Apple codename Mendocino and iPad Ultra. I believe it will require the iPad Ultra to work. A lot of people are suggesting that a special Apple keyboard will need to also be used to switch the iPad Ultra from iPadOS mode to "MacOS Lite" mode. Apple actually has a patent for this (see below). Personally, I think this will be one of the best Apple events in a long time for a lot of reasons.

 

[smulji]

It has been covered many times. Search for Apple codename Mendocino and iPad Ultra. I believe it will require the iPad Ultra to work. A lot of people are suggesting that a special Apple keyboard will need to also be used to switch the iPad Ultra from iPadOS mode to "MacOS Lite" mode. Apple actually has a patent for this (see below). Personally, I think this will be one of the best Apple events in a long time for a lot of reasons.

I don't think we see this at WWDC next month

 

[avkills]

You could say the same thing about the first Apple computers...

Hindsight is 20/20. Everything is relative. Technology marches on.

True on that. Although drawing tablets had been around for quite a while before the iPad hit the streets hence why I think it was a blunder that it did not include that capability from day 1. Probably had more to do with Steve Jobs disdain for "pencil" like devices.

 

[Mac... nificent]

I don't think we see this at WWDC next month

Maybe not, but I also think they've been working on a new Pencil just for the Ultra that will have many options, including a way to use it for coding. If that's the case then it would blend in with WWDC nicely.

 

[practicein2021]

Maybe not, but I also think they've been working on a new Pencil just for the Ultra that will have many options, including a way to use it for coding. If that's the case then it would blend in with WWDC nicely.

How would you use an Apple Pencil for coding?

 

[practicein2021]

It has been covered many times. Search for Apple codename Mendocino and iPad Ultra. I believe it will require the iPad Ultra to work. A lot of people are suggesting that a special Apple keyboard will need to also be used to switch the iPad Ultra from iPadOS mode to "MacOS Lite" mode. Apple actually has a patent for this (see below). Personally, I think this will be one of the best Apple events in a long time for a lot of reasons.

I'm going to stay sceptical until at least we hear similar info from other sources. It may very well be that they are thinking about something like that, which is why they patented it, but there is no indication that they are actually working on it. A lot of patents are left unrealized, especially at big companies like Apple or Google.

That said, I'm all for upgraded software for iPad. The current state of iPadOS is nothing but sad. And the people defending the lack of native Calculator app on these forums are even more sad. I don't think MacOS Lite would the right move, but something more more Mac-like, is definitely needed.

 

[ipedro]

Prediction:

We know that M-series Macs run iPadOS apps. It would then make sense that anyone with a subscription to the iPad version of Final Cut Pro and Logic will be able to run their apps on their Mac.

Where does that leave the desktop apps? We already know that these apps were redesigned and are missing some of the more complex features and plugins – like colour grading for Final Cut for example. That leaves them, for now, as a more pro version, but as Apple dedicates time to their new iPad versions, they'll get up to par and become the new desktop apps, on subscription.

I bought the full version and I'm not going to complain. I love that Apple is dedicated to pro apps again and will subscribe. If that means that the desktop version that I purchased reaches the end of its line for updates in a couple of years, I'm ok with that. We got over a decade of updates on one price, whereas Final Cut 7 and the versions before that were all paid upgrades.

Can't wait for the apps to land in a week.

 

[groove-agent]

Prediction:

We know that M-series Macs run iPadOS apps. It would then make sense that anyone with a subscription to the iPad version of Final Cut Pro and Logic will be able to run their apps on their Mac.

Where does that leave the desktop apps? We already know that these apps were redesigned and are missing some of the more complex features and plugins – like colour grading for Final Cut for example. That leaves them, for now, as a more pro version, but as Apple dedicates time to their new iPad versions, they'll get up to par and become the new desktop apps, on subscription.

I agree. I echoed this theory also within this thread. Adding to this argument, we have Apple trying to set the example to other developers to focus on the iPad app that will also work in MacOS.

 

[groove-agent]

It has been covered many times. Search for Apple codename Mendocino and iPad Ultra. I believe it will require the iPad Ultra to work. A lot of people are suggesting that a special Apple keyboard will need to also be used to switch the iPad Ultra from iPadOS mode to "MacOS Lite" mode. Apple actually has a patent for this (see below). Personally, I think this will be one of the best Apple events in a long time for a lot of reasons.

Thanks, I appreciate the link.

I'm surprised I haven't heard anything about this given I visit Macrumours daily. Has MR covered this at all? If there is even a little bit of credibility to these sources, I would imagine they should have covered it. I did a search for Mendocino on MR and nothing came up.

 

[Mac... nificent]

I did a search for Mendocino on MR and nothing came up.

When I did a search earlier today for Mendocino, one thread did come up.

 

[smulji]

Prediction:

We know that M-series Macs run iPadOS apps. It would then make sense that anyone with a subscription to the iPad version of Final Cut Pro and Logic will be able to run their apps on their Mac.

Where does that leave the desktop apps? We already know that these apps were redesigned and are missing some of the more complex features and plugins – like colour grading for Final Cut for example. That leaves them, for now, as a more pro version, but as Apple dedicates time to their new iPad versions, they'll get up to par and become the new desktop apps, on subscription.

I bought the full version and I'm not going to complain. I love that Apple is dedicated to pro apps again and will subscribe. If that means that the desktop version that I purchased reaches the end of its line for updates in a couple of years, I'm ok with that. We got over a decade of updates on one price, whereas Final Cut 7 and the versions before that were all paid upgrades.

Can't wait for the apps to land in a week.

That’s a great theory actually.

 

[smulji]

I have a feeling they're going to stop updating the Mac versions of Logic/ FCP and just keep developing the iPad versions, especially since you can run iPad apps on MacOS. They might want to lead by example to show developers how you can develop one app for multiple platforms.

Hopefully if this happens the subscription fee also covers using it on Mac. BTW, has anyone heard if you can use the iPad versions on Mac currently? I guess the benefit would be with one UI, it would make switching between Mac and iPad more seamless as the UI wouldn't change.

Just saw this theory echoed by someone else. Definitely give it a thumbs up. On a side note, it wouldn’t surprise me if Apple did the same with iWork

 

[Unregistered 4U]

It would then make sense that anyone with a subscription to the iPad version of Final Cut Pro and Logic will be able to run their apps on their Mac.

The way most developers handle this now is that they do not allow the iPad version of their apps to run on the Mac. I’m guessing Apple will do the same, keeping the apps separate. MacOS will be gone before the desktop apps go subscription.

 

[NEPOBABY]

It has been covered many times. Search for Apple codename Mendocino and iPad Ultra. I believe it will require the iPad Ultra to work. A lot of people are suggesting that a special Apple keyboard will need to also be used to switch the iPad Ultra from iPadOS mode to "MacOS Lite" mode. Apple actually has a patent for this (see below). Personally, I think this will be one of the best Apple events in a long time for a lot of reasons.

There's no 'macOS lite' mode or macOS for iPad like a minority comment.

These two operating systems are extremely different in terms of memory management and file system structure and system demands. The user's home directory path is very different. The disk partition schemes are different too. This makes 'dual booting' unlikely and complicated.

These is only an iPadOS with a UI shift to better support drop down menus and windowing options. This was introduced last year with some more improvements needed.

FCP and Logic Pro run at their best on a tower Mac Pro for all the obvious reasons. If you have a fully loaded project at the top demands of the film and music industry that's not going to run well on an iPad Pro no matter what anyone says. Those are resource hungry projects and keep getting more demanding all the time.

 

[dannys1]

Well, I would imagine most people have all the great plug-ins already on their Mac I know I already do. I have all the eventide sound toys a whole bunch of stuff from 30 years of mixing so I don’t care what they have for the iPad. Probably just start the project on the iPad Anyway and finish it on the Mac but I understand people want to be ready now. Hell most of the stuff that logic has is damn good already.

Agreed, that's one way to work however, isn't the point of it being the full fat version of Logic that you should be able to just use the iPad to work on? That makes it nothing more than a companion tool, which is how I use my iPad anyway.

To be honest, I don't really care, I don't think a tablet should be on par with a Mac and I don't see the point in the clammer to get there for some. I think the iPad is the most pointless and useless of all devices Apple make and yet I still own one - but i've no desire for it to replace laptops. If I ever wanted to arrange in Logic though i'm always going to want to use a mouse to get the job done quickly.

 

[The point and shoot pro]

Agreed, that's one way to work however, isn't the point of it being the full fat version of Logic that you should be able to just use the iPad to work on? That makes it nothing more than a companion tool, which is how I use my iPad anyway.

To be honest, I don't really care, I don't think a tablet should be on par with a Mac and I don't see the point in the clammer to get there for some. I think the iPad is the most pointless and useless of all devices Apple make and yet I still own one - but i've no desire for it to replace laptops. If I ever wanted to arrange in Logic though i'm always going to want to use a mouse to get the job done quickly.

That’s the thing, the touch interface is faster than mouse at a lot of things like mixing music, graphics etc.

 

[dannys1]

That’s the thing, the touch interface is faster than mouse at a lot of things like mixing music, graphics etc.

It depends though. I actually use a 12" iPad with Logic remote for fader control and yes it's great to be able to muti touch faders. But for arranging parts, a mouse is much quicker and easier. I don't like moving parts around by finger where your finger is over the part you're moving - or moving midi notes around, editing audio etc. That's why the combo is so good - multi-touch interface where it excells and mouse (with shortcut side buttons) for everything else. (The iPad actually replaced my MCU Pro unit with motorised faders for mixing)

 

[MajorFubar]

I don't think a tablet should be on par with a Mac and I don't see the point in the clammer to get there for some.

We've had this discussion before. And the answer is still the same. Comparisons started to be made when suddenly you could spend Macbook Pro money on a tablet that was at the time mostly only good for content consumption and drawing pictures with a pencil. It seems to be changing slowly. But as usual it's taken years and years of drip-fed updates to iPadOS.