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I didn't realize that Larry Jordan spoke for every editor...

He doesn't, but he has been using this app for 6 weeks, unlike those other "editors" who have tried it for couple of hours. Not to mention he's one of the biggest authorities in this industry.
 
Really? Then why does Larry Jordan say otherwise?

I don't know... Drugs maybe? Perhaps it's because he sells FC tutorials and has a vested interest in people adopting the software? Lower standards? Could be a lot of reasons.

Either way I don't work with him on a daily basis, so the opinions from the mostly excellent (that one guy sucks) editors I work with on a daily basis I respect more than his.
 
He doesn't, but he has been using this app for 6 weeks, unlike those other "editors" who have tried it for couple of hours. Not to mention he's one of the biggest authorities in this industry.

I don't think length of time of use weighs any heavier on some aspects of FCPX which are simply non-existent.

If you deal heavily with shooting with several cameras. NOT having multicam support (at this point at least) pretty much kills any desire for many editors to use it. Do you disagree? Do you disagree that something like that can be ascertained in seconds and not 6 weeks?

Also - I don't agree that Apple won't merge their products. As time goes by - there's less and less of a distinction between them
 
I don't know... Drugs maybe? Perhaps it's because he sells FC tutorials and has a vested interest in people adopting the software? Lower standards? Could be a lot of reasons.

Either way I don't work with him on a daily basis, so the opinions from the mostly excellent (that one guy sucks) editors I work with on a daily basis I respect more than his.

Why do people start trolling immediately. Drugs, really?
 
Yea, most of what I'm hearing from fellow editors is exactly the same. By all accounts this is just not a professional application. I keep hearing it feels too infantile and uncontrollable. Everyone keeps hopping there is some depth to what you can do with it and they just haven't found it yet through all the Imovie effects (the best quote I head so far is "why the hell would I need cheesy night vision binoculars!").

Not a good sign. Hell, I'm blown away astonished there is no multi-cam support! Though I guess if you've only ever shot something on one iphone why would you need to sync up two or more cameras.

So far I have found a lot of hidden features and it looks like a lot of the stuff I want is there, except for something as simple as can be: a 180 degree flip, not by flipping the X and Y by hand but simply by typing 180 into a field. (for the hundreds of "low mode" upside down 7D / 5D shots) And worst of all: you can only do this after you put the clip on the timeline, when I want to do it before and then go through the shots right side up.

Another annoying thing I can't seem to turn off but should probably be some simple switch: every new clip moves to the beginning of the timeline in the default setting. I always drop stuff where ever I think it will end up in the story so.. definitely hating this default :)

Can't find a audio mixer either, always do a quick pre-mix of the source before dropping it on the timeline if levels aren't done by a pro sound engineer or the interviewer has crap mic technique :)

Still hating the no old FCP files, but think the super quick effect previews and transitions are fun. Even on an old 1,1 mac pro it runs smooth (with the occasional super slowdown when the drive is doing something weird)

So I dunno, pretty decent start for a 1.0 release of a new way of working NLE tool, someone is going to make a bundle on a FCP > FCPX project converter and a multicam plugin. Or we use FCP 7 for building the projects, then convert.

Pretty sure Steve jobs is using it to edit all his private conversations with Steve Balmer and make him talk trash about Bill Gates.
 
I don't think length of time of use weighs any heavier on some aspects of FCPX which are simply non-existent.

If you deal heavily with shooting with several cameras. NOT having multicam support (at this point at least) pretty much kills any desire for many editors to use it. Do you disagree? Do you disagree that something like that can be ascertained in seconds and not 6 weeks?

Also - I don't agree that Apple won't merge their products. As time goes by - there's less and less of a distinction between them

If you followed Larry's blog and articles, he also agrees that Multicam support missing is a big no no but at this point everyone believes that Apple will add it in the future, and it's not scrapped off from the application totally.

And no multicam support does not equal "this app is not a professional app".

Everyone knows FCP X is far from complete and Apple will be adding features to it with haste. As Larry says that "we'll all be using this thing in 18 months". Now 18 months is a long time for testing the app, but it also means that this app will deliver when Apple plugs the holes in that time.

Dot zero release not being ready for primetime have been said over and over since April demo, so anyone who thought about downloading it today and switching all workflow to it completely was dreaming at best.

Btw, length of usage obviously matters because it answers most of the "How do I do this?" questions.

And about merging the apps, it won't happen soon. It may happen way into the future, but I just don't see it happening. The idea behind apps like iMovie or iPhoto is that they are extremely simple to use because there isn't much to do on them. Once you start adding features, layman will be lost in it. That's why merging doesn't make sense.
 
Pretty sure Steve jobs is using it to edit all his private conversations with Steve Balmer and make him talk trash about Bill Gates.

LOL. I think Jobs would use iMovie for that, doubt that Jobs knows anything about FCP. :)
 
If you followed Larry's blog and articles, he also agrees that Multicam support missing is a big no no but at this point everyone believes that Apple will add it in the future, and it's not scrapped off from the application totally.

And no multicam support does not equal "this app is not a professional app".

Everyone knows FCP X is far from complete and Apple will be adding features to it with haste. As Larry says that "we'll all be using this thing in 18 months". Now 18 months is a long time for testing the app, but it also means that this app will deliver when Apple plugs the holes in that time.

Dot zero release not being ready for primetime have been said over and over since April demo, so anyone who thought about downloading it today and switching all workflow to it completely was dreaming at best.

Btw, length of usage obviously matters because it answers most of the "How do I do this?" questions.

And about merging the apps, it won't happen soon. It may happen way into the future, but I just don't see it happening. The idea behind apps like iMovie or iPhoto is that they are extremely simple to use because there isn't much to do on them. Once you start adding features, layman will be lost in it. That's why merging doesn't make sense.

Did you read what you wrote. In 18 months this will be a fully functioning program. Great. So in 18 months, it will be the choice for professionals. TODAY, however - it is not. So why do you take "offense" when people say that it's not ready for primetime or that there are serious deficiencies in the program that prevent it from being used by professionals right now?

P.S. Multicam support definitely equates to not being usable for professionals. Maybe YOU don't shoot with more than one camera. And "coming soon" is just that. It's not now. So again - I find it hard to understand why you're arguing against the notion that the software simply isn't ready for many editors at this time.
 
Did you read what you wrote. In 18 months this will be a fully functioning program. Great. So in 18 months, it will be the choice for professionals. TODAY, however - it is not. So why do you take "offense" when people say that it's not ready for primetime or that there are serious deficiencies in the program that prevent it from being used by professionals right now?

P.S. Multicam support definitely equates to not being usable for professionals. Maybe YOU don't shoot with more than one camera. And "coming soon" is just that. It's not now. So again - I find it hard to understand why you're arguing against the notion that the software simply isn't ready for many editors at this time.

I'm not arguing that it's not ready for most editors. I'm just saying that it's not ready for most editors does not equal "this is not a professional app".

Also Larry's 18 months is for "all of us" meaning all editors (I'm not one), but I'm sure there are many editors out there who will switch to FCP X long before 18 months, some in a few months maybe.

So what you write is wrong. In 18 months it'll be the choice of all professionals. In a few weeks it'll be the choice of some professionals, and in couple months it'll be the choice of more, etc. You get the gist.

Professional means people who make money off editing. It doesn't mean "you". I bet there are some professionals who can start using this today.
 
Yeah, great idea, instead of just updating the OS for 20 bucks, buy another ****** piece of software instead....

Yeah get FCP5 it is the most stable one I have used on Leopard. FCP7 and Snow Leopard are a bugfest on my new and old mac pro. Yes clean installs. FCP7 is not great. FCP5 on a laptop with Leopard never fails, the combo I use when shooting and editing stuff on the spot.

So yes 20 bucks for snow leopard is not worth it :)
 
I'm not arguing that it's not ready for most editors. I'm just saying that it's not ready for most editors does not equal "this is not a professional app".

Also Larry's 18 months is for "all of us" meaning all editors (I'm not one), but I'm sure there are many editors out there who will switch to FCP X long before 18 months, some in a few months maybe.

So what you write is wrong. In 18 months it'll be the choice of all professionals. In a few weeks it'll be the choice of some professionals, and in couple months it'll be the choice of more, etc. You get the gist.

We'll have to agree to disagree. Because if a previous version of software handled something for me and how I work - as a paid professional - and the upgrade/new version lacks that ability - then I would say that calling the app not professional is valid. Maybe it's throwing the baby out with the bathwater - but either way it doesn't matter. If I can't do a simple workflow required by my job - the software's a bust.

I'm not saying FCPX is bad or that it's not useful. Just not for me and not now.
 
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Another annoying thing I can't seem to turn off but should probably be some simple switch: every new clip moves to the beginning of the timeline in the default setting. I always drop stuff where ever I think it will end up in the story so.. definitely hating this default :)

Oh my! That needs to be turned off. I do the same thing, and I use the end of the timeline as a kinda clipboard area for extra B-roll shots and such.

Can't wait to get my hands on the Color Corrector too. Color was such a powerful tool for the price I'm a bit nervous by all the automated CC it seems to do. But I'll have to wait to judge that one.
 
We'll have to agree to disagree. Because if a previous version of software handled something for me and how I work - as a paid professional - and the upgrade/new version lacks that ability - then I would say that calling the app not professional is valid. Maybe it's throwing the baby out with the bathwater - but either way it doesn't matter. If I can't do a simple workflow required by my job - the software's a bust.

I'm not saying FCPX is bad or that it's not useful. Just not for me and not now.

We are not disagreeing, our definition of a professional app is different. I think an app is professional if professionals can use it. This doesn't include all professionals, there's no such app out there which suits every single professional in a given industry.

And one can do professional work using FCP X even today, although most wouldn't, and shouldn't.

This is not Final Cut Studio 8. This is a new app, so I think what Apple is doing is correct. Instead of waiting another year and adding what's missing today, they are releasing the bare bones app, and they'll listen to you guys and plug the holes according to "your" needs, which makes much more sense than doing everything in house.
 
Beautiful price points

Yep. I am very happy about that.

My only question is Final Cut Server. We use it in my office quite a bit. And it has been dropped. So I'm going to have to check into whether those features were melded into the new FCPX, if it works with the current Server or what other options we have. Mind you, knowing my boss he'll want one of us (ie me cause i'm crazy like that) to get the new software and figure it out in detail before we go whole hog and switch. So we'll be on the current stuff for a while, switch over as new projects come in most likely
 
We'll have to agree to disagree. Because if a previous version of software handled something for me and how I work - as a paid professional - and the upgrade/new version lacks that ability - then I would say that calling the app not professional is valid. Maybe it's throwing the baby out with the bathwater - but either way it doesn't matter. If I can't do a simple workflow required by my job - the software's a bust.

I'm not saying FCPX is bad or that it's not useful. Just not for me and not now.

Or maybe, like with many things from Apple, you should update your equipment/workflow to accomplish your same goals. There's no doubt that working tapeless is far faster and easier to manage than tapes.

Having said that, I know it's easier said than done. So, for people like you, it'll take time (and money?) for either you to adjust to the software or for the software to adjust its feature set to you.

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Now, having played with it for only 15 minutes this morning before going into work, I gotta say it's been difficult for me to wrap my head around. I was trying to make layers and transitions, and stuff was slip sliding all over the place lol.

I'm sure I'll get it down, but I may need to watch some tutorial videos so I can get my footing and then hop in. I'm so trained on using older versions of FCP for years now that this new software is really throwing me for a loop, but I can't wait to figure it out.

Also I was happy I found how to turn off scrubbing video and audio right away. Jesus, that can be really irritating when you don't need it lol.
 
Or maybe, like with many things from Apple, you should update your equipment/workflow to accomplish your same goals. There's no doubt that working tapeless is far faster and easier to manage than tapes.

Having said that, I know it's easier said than done. So, for people like you, it'll take time (and money?) for either you to adjust to the software or for the software to adjust its feature set to you.

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Who said I wasn't tapeless?
 
I for one welcome our new Video Editing overlords.

My jaw dropped when I read that the price for the whole package, which used to be $1000, is now $400. I hope Apple continues to support the professional editor, but the release today is not aimed at the pro who is perfectly satisfied with 7 (and, apparently, can keep it running for years if he or she wants). This is aimed at the large and growing market of amateur and hobbyist editors who want something more powerful than iMovie to edit their videos. Youtube and Vimeo are doing well for a reason--a lot of people are producing their own content. Final Cut X is affordable, apparently accessible, and powerful--an app that will make people who want to get into hobby video say, "I should get a Mac."

I just completed my first real video project, a deliberately amateurish Vacation Bible School series using Premiere Pro 5.5 on rental. I had despaired of ever owning a serious editing program, but no longer: I will be getting Final Cut Pro X in the coming months.

Apple is going to gain customers. I'm quite impressed. Hopefully, they'll keep the high-end customers happy, but this is a move into a developing market that nobody else can afford to exploit in this manner. Apple can break even on FCX but still make money hand over fist in hardware with the halo contributing to sales. I think this answers some of the grousing about whether or not Apple will continue to put effort into PCs in the future.
 
I've tried to figure out who on earth this program is supposed to be for and based on these major absent capabilities, Final Cut Pro X must be designed exclusively for the iMovie editor that never plans to work with film or tape, does all of the coloring and sound mixing her/himself, and outputs their final work only to online social networks. In other words, no one that makes a living editing.

Without EDL, OMF, or tape support, there's virtually no project in the past four years that myself or any of the editors I work with could have used Final Cut Pro X to edit.

DITTO, ah well, looks like the NAS just got a bit closer to purchase. Probably get more use out of a 5 bay NAS, than this stupid downgrade called FCP X
 
If you followed Larry's blog and articles, he also agrees that Multicam support missing is a big no no but at this point everyone believes that Apple will add it in the future, and it's not scrapped off from the application totally.

And no multicam support does not equal "this app is not a professional app".
we use one camera (now). its a RED MX. dont mean were pro...but we get paid like one, work like one and gripe like one ;)
Ive been using FCPX for almost three hours now.
Im impressed so far. Ive round-tripped from REDCineX, After Effects and yes Premiere just to see if the files get buggered up somehow.
Its so easy to complain on the internet.
Work with it for awhile, if you dont like it, go back to FCP 7 or less.
If you hate Apple so much, well there is Adobe and Avid.
Btw were an Avid facility, trust me we have to have the budget to stay afloat with that POS :p
 
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