Apple Announces iOS 9 With Proactive Siri, Maps Transit, iPad Multitasking and More

[AustinIllini]

100% right. Apple scre*ed all the Air v1 users.

I mean, it has half the RAM as the Air 2. It's not entirely a matter of "split screen doesn't work on Air 1", it's more "The Air 1 does not perform to Apple's standards when in Split screen mode". You're free to believe what you want, but that's often the way this kind of development works.

 

[oldmacs]

100% right. Apple scre*ed all the Air v1 users.

My windows tablet with 1GB RAM does split view just fine. Heck my netbook from 2008 with 512MB RAM does split view fine too.

My iPad Mini 2 can't keep 4 tabs open let alone two programs..

Its clear that the Mini 2 and Air 1 should have had 2 GB of ram to start with. People will realise the same with the iPhone 6.

 

[AustinIllini]

My iPad Mini 2 can't keep 4 tabs open let alone two programs..

Its clear that the Mini 2 and Air 1 should have had 2 GB of ram to start with. People will realise the same with the iPhone 6.

Ugh. I completely forgot about the nuisance that is tab refresh.

 

[oldmacs]

Ugh. I completely forgot about the nuisance that is tab refresh.

I think that iOS 8 is poorly optimised for memory management and hopefully iOS 9 will improve on this, but with 1 GB of ram it may just be too little to keep two apps running at the same time.

 

[AustinIllini]

I think that iOS 8 is poorly optimised for memory management and hopefully iOS 9 will improve on this, but with 1 GB of ram it may just be too little to keep two apps running at the same time.

Right. And I tend not to draw conclusions based on spec numbers, but it's evident the RAM in the iPad lineup (outside the Air 2) is simply too low. Between tab refresh and various apps restarting, it's annoying.

 

[oldmacs]

Right. And I tend not to draw conclusions based on spec numbers, but it's evident the RAM in the iPad lineup (outside the Air 2) is simply too low. Between tab refresh and various apps restarting, it's annoying.

Its terrible. My iPad Mini 2 is more annoying to use than my iPad 2… (Mainly because I know it shouldn't be lag gingn and stuttering, where as I know there should be some in the iPad 2) The A7 iPads have aged almost as badly as the iPad 1 and the iPad 3…

 

[AustinIllini]

Its terrible. My iPad Mini 2 is more annoying to use than my iPad 2… (Mainly because I know it shouldn't be lag gingn and stuttering, where as I know there should be some in the iPad 2) The A7 iPads have aged almost as badly as the iPad 1 and the iPad 3…

And I think it would be more noticeable on iPhone if I used it the same way I use the iPad.

 

[oldmacs]

And I think it would be more noticeable on iPhone if I used it the same way I use the iPad.

People generally don't use tabs the same way on phones so you don't notice it as much. Also the lower resolution means less resource usage to power the screen.

 

[cdm283813]

Well, RAM is one part of it more than likely, but a newer and better GPU and CPU (with 3 cores) likely has quite a bit to do with it as well.

Technically Samsung has been doing 2 apps at once with weaker hardware for about 3 years with one exception; ram. The common denominator between all those Samsung devices were 2 or more gigs of ram. Unless I'm dreaming the A series processors destroyed snapdragon processors for the last 3 years. And let's not forget how resource hungry Android is.
Ram is the only excuse why pre iPad Air 2's are not receiving true 2 apps at once. I really doubt Apples weak cpu/gpu is the reason. Very bad planning (or greed) on Apples part not to give iPad Air and retina mini at least 2 gigs. Heck; by today's standards iPad Air 2 should have 3 gigs of ram. We already have a phone with 4gigs on the market.

 

[sp3k0psv3t]

Sure, but what do they have on them? Either they're full of games and net access and so it's unwise to be allowing them to use them all the time, or they nailed right down and there's no chance for fun. If there were to be the ability to have multiple accounts (like on OSX) they could have occasional access to games and other stuff, but continuous access to the apps they need for education. At the moment the dichotomy prevents either.

Not really; maybe in the sense that "you" are looking for in your particular use case but there is nothing but an "extra step" preventing your needs.

All you need to do is simply "log in" as yourself when a child would like to use the iPad . Then, allow the child to use the iPad for as long as you feel is adequate, under the supervision you feel is necessary. When you have decided that the child's time us up, have them return the iPad to you and "log out" of your account. To ensure that the child uses the apps you want them to use, simply create a FOLDER for the child and keep ALL of the child's apps in that specific folder on "your" iPad. This solves exactly the issue you are complaining about.

However, that would mean that you "both" cannot use the iPad at the same time and that you will have to "share" with the child occasionally

 

[cdm283813]

I mean, it has half the RAM as the Air 2. It's not entirely a matter of "split screen doesn't work on Air 1", it's more "The Air 1 does not perform to Apple's standards when in Split screen mode". You're free to believe what you want, but that's often the way this kind of development works.

But Apple knew that this type of multitasking was being worked on over a year ago. Look at the hints of multitasking left in code. Apple released a worthless retina mini successor with 1 gig of ram knowing full well that multitasking was coming. Same can be said about iPhone 6 plus. I wouldn't be surprised if apple allows side by side windows on the 6S plus and leave it out of the old model.

 

[BvizioN]

"nearly", I didn't say all!

Aside from customizations, and setting default apps...we're pretty much caught up to Android.

Not quite. We are still behind on security and privacy where Android shines. For some, that is a deal breaker and people would never leave android for another platform

 

[FieldingMellish]

Changes to notes is reminiscent of the Newton.

 

[tillsbury]

Not really; maybe in the sense that "you" are looking for in your particular use case but there is nothing but an "extra step" preventing your needs.

All you need to do is simply "log in" as yourself when a child would like to use the iPad . Then, allow the child to use the iPad for as long as you feel is adequate, under the supervision you feel is necessary. When you have decided that the child's time us up, have them return the iPad to you and "log out" of your account. To ensure that the child uses the apps you want them to use, simply create a FOLDER for the child and keep ALL of the child's apps in that specific folder on "your" iPad. This solves exactly the issue you are complaining about.

However, that would mean that you "both" cannot use the iPad at the same time and that you will have to "share" with the child occasionally

Errr, that's what I was asking for in the first place. If I could set up apps that could be limited (on more than one account) then I could enable the iPad to do anything. My kids use their own iPads, but there are times when they're allowed to use the net and games, and times when they are free to read ebooks, revise for lectures and/or use certain other educational apps. Accounts on iOS would fix this. Anyone who thinks a kid with an iPad they're supposed to be reading on is always doing what you think they are is dreaming.

 

[SactoGuy18]

Why is split view only available for iPad Air 2. Surely my iPad Air can handle this...I cannot think of why Apple would do this other than to try and spur new iPad sales. Not really cool to owners of the not so old original iPad Air

As others have said, you need that 2 GB of RAM on the iPad Air 2 to get that capability to work smoothly. Indeed, this is a preview of what you'll get with the rumored larger 12+ inch (diagonal) iPad Pro, though I think the iPad Pro may have even more RAM (probably in the 3 GB range) to make this feature work even better.

 

[Izauze]

Woild you be concerned if iTunes recommended songs based on your document later in the day..... Just on your phone but well at first ......

Of course. Just like I'd be concerned if my spellcheck data was used by MS Word to sell me services. But that's not even close to what's happening. It's not being mined by Apple, and they've explicitly stated that it's "not linked to other apple services"

 

[MacOG728893]

Does anyone know if they opened or created an API for developers to take advantage of Siri natively in 3rd party apps?

 

[MH01]

Dude, come on...there's no way of knowing what Jobs would be doing today. The market is vastly different than it was even two years ago; fanboy or not, it has to be acknowledged that other companies are really trying to step up their game in light of Apple's dominance, and it's harder to maintain a lead on the cutting edge. I haven't really seen any big missteps by Apple, and if you're trying to cite multitasking on the iPad as one, then I don't see how there could possibly be any pleasing you.

I'm actually referring to the apple music presentation. It was terrible, like they only had days to put it together . Following the posts on MR, no one could work out what the service actually was. The keynote lacked quality , as in presentation , they features themselves I am fine with.

The multitasking is a huge thumbs up for me.

 

[MH01]

Hangouts is a cluster regardless of your OS history.

That I agree with.

 

[recoil80]

Does anyone know if they opened or created an API for developers to take advantage of Siri natively in 3rd party apps?

They created some API to include apps in Spotlight and Siri search result, but you cannot execute a command on a 3td party app directly with Siri

 

[diamond.g]

I mean, it has half the RAM as the Air 2. It's not entirely a matter of "split screen doesn't work on Air 1", it's more "The Air 1 does not perform to Apple's standards when in Split screen mode". You're free to believe what you want, but that's often the way this kind of development works.

It is interesting that Apple takes such a heavy handed approach with iOS, but does no such thing with OS X. Meaning they do not prevent feature usage based on RAM allocation.

 

[ZombiePete]

Not quite. We are still behind on security and privacy where Android shines. For some, that is a deal breaker and people would never leave android for another platform

Security and Privacy are two areas where Android "shines" over iOS? Did I slip into an alternate universe, or has Android really changed that much in the years since I abandoned Google for their intrusive business models?

 

[garylapointe]

According to Apple: http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2396118,00.asp

Hackers: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/11/15/siri_hack/

No, I'm talking about RAM (being the reason according to experts) in regards to split-screen (not Siri as those 4 year old articles reference).

Actually, I don't see where either of those articles reference RAM, even for Siri...

(Although, it's probably RAM for the split screen, although that machine has more power too).

Gary

 

[garylapointe]

Woild you be concerned if iTunes recommended songs based on your document later in the day..... Just on your phone but well at first ......

Is someone at Apple reading those recommendations? Then no, I wouldn't be concerned.

Just like someone isn't reading my advertisments/recommendations that gmail gives me (the computer figures that out).

I want to play music based on my GPS location!!!

Gary

 

[MH01]

Multitasking is a big win. I like the way they implemented it . Split view being only on iPad Air 2, very disappointing , and I hope it's a technical reason behind it and not drive for sales.

Yes people will say it's RAM, though we will soon know when devs get their hands on it.