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Also, on the camera question, she said that their cameras are not and cannot be measured in terms of megapixels. Again, she wouldn't even concede that it was a reasonable question to ask about a product I was planning to buy. Now I know that megapixels aren't the end all, be all of camera quality, but it does give a metric by which to compare them. Does the new iPad have the same low-quality cameras as the current iPod touch, or does it have the better cameras of the iPhone? Again, no answer from Apple.


I guess what I'm saying is: I like the device, but really hate the company's tactics on this.

I know your point was that you wanted answers to your question, but couldn't you just look at the published tech specs for the cameras on apple.com and determine the megapixels from that?
 
Does it really? I'm a web designer and I would love to be able to use an ipad to show my clients that their sites DON'T NEED flash, that pretty much everything can be done with jquery and to let them know that their site will be able to display on the ipad (and avoid carrying my laptop when I go to presentations/meetings). Is there a web design app that lets you edit code and save it locally? also if you're working on your computer can you upload files to the ipad to edit/show on the browser?

Thanks

Mides IDE, try the free version first. It's an iPhone app, not sure about the iPad.
 
And I would recommend to stop thinking at the specs all the time and try the software.

But my question was not about the software, I'm aware of it. I was inquiring about the RAM, but thanks for asking...

"Don't look at whats in my left hand, look at what I have in my right hand!"
 
I'm a neutral party here, not a fanboy and not a hater. But I was planning on buying the iPad 2 until yesterday... I was surprised as much by what Steve Jobs didn't say yesterday, as by what he did.

I called Apple this morning to ask about the RAM and the front- and rear-facing cameras, and it was really a strange conversation. She seemed to be completely confused by the question. Instead of saying we're not sure, we don't have a spec sheet yet, etc., the woman at Apple insisted that while the iPhone 4 and the iPad 1 use RAM, the new iPad 2 does not. None. It doesn't use any at all.

Also, on the camera question, she said that their cameras are not and cannot be measured in terms of megapixels. Again, she wouldn't even concede that it was a reasonable question to ask about a product I was planning to buy. Now I know that megapixels aren't the end all, be all of camera quality, but it does give a metric by which to compare them. Does the new iPad have the same low-quality cameras as the current iPod touch, or does it have the better cameras of the iPhone? Again, no answer from Apple.

What's going on here? How can they say that don't reveal such details because consumers don't care, when I'm a consumer and I care? Fine, don't talk about it at the keynote, but don't evade the question afterwards. It seems they just trying desperately to avoid the side-by-side comparison with their competitors that Jobs was trying to make himself yesterday on a range of other criteria.

I guess what I'm saying is: I like the device, but really hate the company's tactics on this.

They said what quality has, is your fault that you don't what to bother research.

Is VGA quality, it's a standard. When they say records 720p do you ask how many megapixel is?

VGA vs. Megapixel

Because VGA covers only 640 x 480 pixels, the picture is small in size. Therefore, when it is enlarged or stretched, it is pixelated. The image can result to poor quality. Compared to other resolutions, VGA can appear to be chunky and choppy. With the advancement of technology, color palettes have become bigger and have gained more colors, which VGA lacks. As of now, the highest color palette is 24- bit RGB, which has 16, 777,216 colors. This is equivalent to the thrice of VGA's 256- color palette.

In size, it is very much obvious that megapixel is way bigger than VGA. The latter has only 307,200 pixels, while the former translates to "million" pixels. Most, if not all, modern cameras have megapixels that range from 3 to 12, or even higher. Also, cameras that are measured through megapixels are more capable of producing clearer and bigger pictures and excellent quality. VGA- quality is much better for mobile phones and Multimedia Messaging Service (MMS). Whereas, megapixel are viewed better on the computer. However, when it comes to sending pictures wirelessly, it is better to use the VGA as it is easier, lighter, cheaper, and takes shorter time to transfer.

source
 
But my question was not about the software, I'm aware of it. I was inquiring about the RAM, but thanks for asking...

"Don't look at whats in my left hand, look at what I have in my right hand!"

I'm not picking on you, I just don't like people that looks only on the hardware and don't want to bother to understand the software.
 
So tell me what have other competing companies brought "new" and innovative in the last 5 years?

Microsoft as a whole has been playing catch-up ever since the iPod came out. Zune? Windows Phones? KIN?! XBOX?! Not one original product there. Not one. You can argue that Surface is innovative... but when you break it down, it is really just a large iPad.

Who else? Motorola? The XOOM is literally an iPad 2. They have essentially the exact same specs give or take. You mean to tell me those couple mega pixels make or break a device? How exactly is the Xoom innovative?

Who else? Samsung? They have not innovated in pretty much EVER. They are a company that thrives on making cheaper alternatives to the popular products out there.

Seriously, besides Google, who once again really hasn't "innovated" recently, who else "brings it" like Apple?

Just because they did not blow you away or innovate (yet, once again) this time around means nothing. The iPad is alive and well and will do great despite your condescending bellyaching and internet trolling.

Carry on, little one.

Windows, Palm and Symbian were he first PDA/phones available, long before the mobile PDA phone market was a gleam in little Stevie's eyes. The PocketPC ruled the mobile OS marketshare for several years before Apple even got into the game.
 
what an abysmal presentation day for apple. you really get the sense that they don't know what to do now. it's still been years since they brought anything new to the table. blew everyone away with the iphone. then the ipad, which turned out to be the same OS just a larger screen, no real innovation there. then android not only catches up, but starts SMOKING apple in sales. now this, the ipad 2. a cpu upgrade most people won't notice, same screen, still no usb, camera woohoo, and the same 256mb of ram the ipad 1 has. the xoom as 4gb of ram wtf apple. this isn't really an upgrade honestly. i mean if your life is incomplete without a camera on your ipad ok, but for them to behave as if they're in the lead of anything. well RIM did that too, and they're still doing it, all the while losing 40& marketshare in 12 months.

apple is fooling only themselves at this point, i can't believe this ipad2 is real.

herp derp derp derp
 
I'm not picking on you, I just don't like people that looks only on the hardware and don't want to bother to understand the software.

Ok, sorry for my snap, but like I said, I'm a huge advocate of apple, and I totally respect their software, but in going from a 256 RAM(3G iPhone) to 512 RAM (iPhone 4), I've noticed vast improvements just on that alone, so that is something that is important to me. I guess I never noticed they didn't post those specs before, I thought they did it for the iPhone 4 but I cant find those on their website either....weird.
 
Windows, Palm and Symbian were he first PDA/phones available, long before the mobile PDA phone market was a gleam in little Stevie's eyes. The PocketPC ruled the mobile OS marketshare for several years before Apple even got into the game.

Those things were rubbish and had an extremely small market share.
 
C'mon people !!!

--- and yet with the 100s of complaints I've read on this forum topic... Apple will STILL sell 20+ MILLION of them this year....
Everyone seems to want everything instantly on this product, and ALL Apple products actually

Let's realize, Technology is an evolution, and it's a business... I'm wondering if the people at Samsung or the Android people find this much BASHING on their forum sites about their products ... oh, wait... there probably aren't any sites like that.... jk, I'm sure there are...

iPad 3 will come out and there will be complaints about that... iPhone 5 will be released, and everyone will have somthing to say about... "why it doesn't have this?" or "why did they do it that way?"... and yet... TENS of MILLIONS of each will be sold....

And like practically ALL the other products that Apple has released...once people get their hands on them... they realize.... Damn, this thing ROCKS !!!

Call me a fanboy if you wish, but the sales numbers and the products speak for themselves... C'mon.... (in a whinny voice--- "oh, it only has 2 megapixals, and all the other tablets have 5 megapixals !!" I mean, really?? C'mon)

Someone wrote on here that Steve sounded arrogant ... yeah, maybe... but his company, his team and his products backup that kind of talk.

I'm done... Ordering my iPad2 on March 11th, and signing off this forum..

Later
 
I'm waiting it out for the iPhone 5 and iPad 3...I'll stick with my iPhone 4 and iPad first gen...

Winner........

Not really. Anyone can sell iPad 2 and use that cost to move into iPad 3 without losing that much of initial cost.

Winner? Sound like cheap to me.

You will lose like 40-50 dollars. Thats like 4 dollars a month. You cannot afford to pay 4-5 dollars a month?

Loser.
 
There was someone in the forum that had one and took pictures. Why can't we get that person to run System (or any number of memory monitoring apps) to see how much RAM is reported back?
 
Ok, sorry for my snap, but like I said, I'm a huge advocate of apple, and I totally respect their software, but in going from a 256 RAM(3G iPhone) to 512 RAM (iPhone 4), I've noticed vast improvements just on that alone, so that is something that is important to me. I guess I never noticed they didn't post those specs before, I thought they did it for the iPhone 4 but I cant find those on their website either....weird.

I do agree with you that RAM made a significant improvement on performance in some area of the software. What Apple aims on - in my opinion - is that instead check specs, people go to the Apple Store and play with their devices, and judge whether to buy it or not based on the experience they got first hand. I still don't see any company - AFAIK - that let you do that. Is the same when you go for a spin at the car dealer.
Manufacturer still playing the tech specs instead of giving you an experience and still don't get that they are doing it wrong.

My 2p.
 
Not really. Anyone can sell iPad 2 and use that cost to move into iPad 3 without losing that much of initial cost.

Winner? Sound like cheap to me.

You will lose like 40-50 dollars. Thats like 4 dollars a month. You cannot afford to pay 4-5 dollars a month?

Loser.

He can do whatever he wants with his money, and you shouldn't be here to judge.
 
Notifications. And the multitasking interface is confusing.

How is it confusing.. There is not even any interface, you just use programs.


Windows, Palm and Symbian were he first PDA/phones available, long before the mobile PDA phone market was a gleam in little Stevie's eyes. The PocketPC ruled the mobile OS marketshare for several years before Apple even got into the game.

Everything before the first iPhone was obliterated in the mobile OS market because it was so bad. For all intents and purposes it never existed in terms of innovation, perhaps except as a cautionary tale.

It was so funny when the handful of nerds who held their little palm and windows mobile devices tight and threw up spec sheets and everything else to try and fight Apple when the iPhone onslaught was coming.. They just never get it, and a lot of them still don't get it. As we can see by the tablet threads where people talk about the same nonsense spec sheets....

Everything about those devices was bad. I was one of the first people to own a palm PDA. A palm phone was the suck? All those smartphones were absolutely horrible. I had too much self-esteem to ever buy or use one of those pieces of garbage.

There was no innovation there.. it was just a hodge podge mess of kludgy garbage.
 
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--- and yet with the 100s of complaints I've read on this forum topic... Apple will STILL sell 20+ MILLION of them this year....
Everyone seems to want everything instantly on this product, and ALL Apple products actually

Let's realize, Technology is an evolution, and it's a business... I'm wondering if the people at Samsung or the Android people find this much BASHING on their forum sites about their products ... oh, wait... there probably aren't any sites like that.... jk, I'm sure there are...

iPad 3 will come out and there will be complaints about that... iPhone 5 will be released, and everyone will have somthing to say about... "why it doesn't have this?" or "why did they do it that way?"... and yet... TENS of MILLIONS of each will be sold....

And like practically ALL the other products that Apple has released...once people get their hands on them... they realize.... Damn, this thing ROCKS !!!

Call me a fanboy if you wish, but the sales numbers and the products speak for themselves... C'mon.... (in a whinny voice--- "oh, it only has 2 megapixals, and all the other tablets have 5 megapixals !!" I mean, really?? C'mon)

Someone wrote on here that Steve sounded arrogant ... yeah, maybe... but his company, his team and his products backup that kind of talk.

I'm done... Ordering my iPad2 on March 11th, and signing off this forum..

Later


Internet suicide note fail
 
How is it confusing.. There is not even any interface, you just use programs.




Everything before the first iPhone was obliterated in the mobile OS market because it was so bad. For all intents and purposes it never existed in terms of innovation, perhaps except as a cautionary tale.

It was so funny when the handful of nerds who held their little palm and windows mobile devices tight and threw up spec sheets and everything else to try and fight Apple when the iPhone onslaught was coming.. They just never get it, and a lot of them still don't get it. As we can see by the tablet threads where people talk about the same nonsense spec sheets....

Everything about those devices was bad. I was one of the first people to own a palm PDA. A palm phone was the suck? All those smartphones were absolutely horrible. I had too much self-esteem to ever buy or use one of those pieces of garbage.

There was no innovation there.. it was just a hodge podge mess of kludgy garbage.


Even if that were the case, the iphone revolutionized it all and for that matter Apple had the first ipad with the Newton.

Just was too much ahead of it's time.

Don't even know what the trolls want.

My car is shinier than yours or I can piss higher or what?

Buy Apple or by stinkpads and honeycombs or whatever.
Lump them all together and proclaim they beat the ipad sales. Who cares!

Be happy and prosper.

The constant nagging by halfwits who don't think things through and haven't created a thing in their life is really ridiculous.

Many don't even know a thing about how resourcing, supply chains and development works.

Add to that not being in Apple's meetings to know what is going on and their clueless nature shines:)
 
--- and yet with the 100s of complaints I've read on this forum topic... Apple will STILL sell 20+ MILLION of them this year....
Everyone seems to want everything instantly on this product, and ALL Apple products actually

Let's realize, Technology is an evolution, and it's a business... I'm wondering if the people at Samsung or the Android people find this much BASHING on their forum sites about their products ... oh, wait... there probably aren't any sites like that.... jk, I'm sure there are...

iPad 3 will come out and there will be complaints about that... iPhone 5 will be released, and everyone will have somthing to say about... "why it doesn't have this?" or "why did they do it that way?"... and yet... TENS of MILLIONS of each will be sold....

And like practically ALL the other products that Apple has released...once people get their hands on them... they realize.... Damn, this thing ROCKS !!!

Call me a fanboy if you wish, but the sales numbers and the products speak for themselves... C'mon.... (in a whinny voice--- "oh, it only has 2 megapixals, and all the other tablets have 5 megapixals !!" I mean, really?? C'mon)

Someone wrote on here that Steve sounded arrogant ... yeah, maybe... but his company, his team and his products backup that kind of talk.

I'm done... Ordering my iPad2 on March 11th, and signing off this forum..

Later

I’m with you. When the first iPad was released this forum was full of complaints for the lack of cameras. Now we get “the cameras not good enough” or “what do I need a camera for?”. The real issue is Apple is not making this tablet for techies. They don’t need to. It’s a mass market device. If it had 1GB of RAM and Retina display etc. it would be 1000USD for the base model and they wouldn’t sell that to anyone. iPad Gen 1 was cheap enough and good enough to get them into the market. No they have 10milloin plus user base and a foothold on suppliers they can build upon it. None the less for life of me I can’t understand this forum. I’m not sure why a lot of people post here. I have a Gen 1 iPad and it’s the most useful device I’ve ever used. All I do at home is web surf, read mail, and play with a few low key apps. I have no need to have Autodesk Pro on my tablet to render 3D drawings at 5000 frame rate per second. Microsoft and co. tried for years to shoehorn an entire OS and power into a tablet and failed but now we’re screaming out for it? Strange.
 
This was a more impressive update than I was expecting. Very nice.

I can't help but think about the new Apple iPad Cover and how there are companies that do nothing but cases and sleeves etc. and yet none of them ever managed to come up with anything truly unique. Apple, on the the other hand, is primarily focused on the actual devices but still manages to outsmart the dedicated case/sleeve makers who exist solely to make cases. Very Apple-like.

Just an insanely talented group of people over there. They could probably take some time off to laze around on the beach and come back in a couple years and still find the competition struggling to catch up. :)

that cover is ugly and lame and does not protect anything its more of a fashion statement
 
Anyone complaining about a VGA camera not being good enough... Go read about resolution sizes. The CCD will be good quality to take on the near HD resolution.

People expecting a retina screen... Get real.

Complaints about the design... Pretty subjective. Personally I am camp original iPad over the iPad 2. May warm to it when the iPad 3 is out at Christmas time. Would die for a white iPad 1' but hey-ho.

Let the iOS 5 wait begin. I'm more gunning that than a half baked hardware update.

ipad 2 really looks like a big ipod now.. i pad 1 is much better looking looks more like a mac computer
 
apologies if this has already been answered...

does anyone know if the new lead /adapter would also work from a MacBook > display?

the current mini DV only carries video and no audio.

as for the iPad, I'd still have one if it was given to me, but probably wouldn't buy one yet.

the airplay thing is good, but didn't realise until I tried to stream something from the iPlayer that it only works with YouTube and a few other things.

not sure if this is deliberate on Apple's part, or if developers just need to add support for it?

maybe by nex year they'll do a 16:9 model - much as I love the apple products I do have, I don't see how they can talk about the iPad being so great for watching movies when the screen is the wrong shape!

and make the mirroring thing wireless - it's all very well using the iPad connected to a large screen fir presentations and the like, but going back to a wired connection when we've become so used to wireless seems a bit of a backward step.
 
SUCKS!

I just snapped a photo of my keyboard with my iPod touch. The characters of the keyboard are unreadable on the photo. That's how bad the back camera on the iPod touch is.

And these geniuses decided to take the iPod touch cameras and slap them on the iPad, which has a 10 inch screen?! That has to be a joke! And they have no freaking LED-flash. Unless you're shooting on a beach in mid-summer, most photos and videos shot with it, will be utterly useless.

If they couldn't do cameras right, they shouldn't have done them at all. Even at the 3inch ipod-touch screen your head hurts on how bad the photo you just snapped looks.

On a 10 inch screen the photos this camera produces will make your eyes bleed.

And facetime! Give me a break. With the VGA camera, if you facetime with someone, their face will literally appear as a bunch of blobs.

This is why they only spoke of the cameras and facetime, and didn't demonstrate them. They would have seriously embarassed themselves.
There is no actual camera app on the iPad, the only way you can use it is with Facetime, or If you buy iMovie, you can record 720p quality video and work on it straight away. But because of the crap quality Apple has not included a still camera on the device.
 
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