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That folks are displeased enough to post indicates they are at least still interested in whatever Apple does, good or bad. When no one bothers to complain any more, watch out - likely means they've given up on Apple and, indeed, no longer care. A forum, at least for me, requires a balance in commentary - both good and bad - to be worth the time to read or post.


Yesterday was a strange event; normally they introduce the new phone, go though it in minute detail and then go through the new iOS in detail on the phone. That didn’t happen this year. I sense there will be another event closer to the end of the year when they introduce the UWB tags and how it interfaces with the U1 chip. Might also see the AR glasses at that point. Its clear U1 is there for good reason and not just to find the phone when you lose it – it has directional capabilities to the nano-millimeter which screams AR.
 
Yesterday was a strange event; normally they introduce the new phone, go though it in minute detail and then go through the new iOS in detail on the phone. That didn’t happen this year. I sense there will be another event closer to the end of the year when they introduce the UWB tags and how it interfaces with the U1 chip. Might also see the AR glasses at that point. Its clear U1 is there for good reason and not just to find the phone when you lose it – it has directional capabilities to the nano-millimeter which screams AR.

Have to agree that something is missing in the events now. And to dial back on the marketing speak. It was excessive. The used car salesmen sleaziness still comes off strong when it doesn’t need to be there.
 
Verizon is offering $200 for my 7. Probably enough to put me over the edge. Even if I don’t go Pro (and lose my amateur standing) a leap from 7->11 would be pretty great.
 
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Love it. Add a headphone jack and it's a sell! Camera companies should take notice - instead of adding fancy cameras to what used to be a phone, add phone features to high end cameras.
 
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For those unimpressed with the improvements - what reasonable improvements would have did it for you? I am not talking about design as Apple has a 3 year cycle on design and always has, more so features or improvements that you would like to see. For me, I can really only think of one - ProMotion. I am curious to what made everyone's expectations so high this year, when Apple has been doing incremental updates for 12 years.
 
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It’s kind of ridiculous that Apple thinks 52mm with the effective zoom for 2x is good enough. The digital zoom dramatically reduces pictur quality.

Here, instead of strengthening the zoom, they added ultra wide. Couldn’t they have done both?
 
The iPhone Pro looks great but what really drives me crazy is the storage greed. Come on. it should start at least with 128gb. Apple knows very well 64gb won't cut for most people and the next tier is just too much $$$.
Damn, I'll wait another year with my 7+. smh

No problems with storage since I turned on iCloud storage.

I never want to pay for could storage really, but at $1/month - it's just fine. It puts all the old photos there it saves space with uninstalling apps I don't use - and suddenly 64GB is plenty enough.

admittedly I don't do a lot of video. You might need more if you do.
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No 5G?

Why would anyone drop 1000 notes on a phone which will effectively be obsolete within a year? If it isn't already?

Shhhh... nobody needs 5G... that's why....

Recently tested my XS MAX download speed at 120 Mbps.

I think that'll be fine for the next couple of years thankyouverymuch.
 
For those unimpressed with the improvements - what reasonable improvements would have did it for you? I am not talking about design as Apple has a 3 year cycle on design and always has, more so features or improvements that you would like to see. For me, I can really only think of one - ProMotion. I am curious to what made everyone's expectations so high this year, when Apple has been doing incremental updates for 12 years.

I think it’s more that see the various android smartphones in the market having unique features of their own, and now everyone expects the iphone to be this amalgamation of every other feature combined.

The S10 and Note10 let you charge your watch and earbuds from the phone, so naturally, the iphone has to support that as well. Same with in-display fingerprint sensors, USB-C port, stylus support, night-sight (google has been able to do it with a single camera lens), minimal notch, with a lower price tag to boot.

Thing is, the iphone has never been about having the most features or doing the most. Apple products are all about minimalism and purity in hardware design.

This is where I suspect the divergence in priorities become more apparent. Other smartphone companies have no wearables presence to speak of, which is why they are going all-in on the smartphone. Meanwhile, Apple sees the writing on the wall. The smartphone market is a maturing one, which is why they are pivoting to services and wearables instead.

That’s why I suspect Apple hasn’t adopted folding displays, and is instead working on smart glasses, for one. While people may have a point that a folding phone allows for a larger display in a smaller form factor, Apple is intent in taking that logic one step further and releasing a pair of glasses which effectively gives you a screen as wide as your entire field of vision.

I expect this to be the new normal moving forward.
 
I’d love the least sexy feature imaginable- a preinstalled screen protector with annual replacement included with AppleCare.
 
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- iPhone driving an AR headset
- bilateral wireless charging
- Touch ID embedded under display for situations where Face ID is inconvenient

Those are 3 things that would have helped

For sure, those would have been nice features.

I think Apple makes slow and sure progress - they want to make sure things work well, and they know in the long run it's better for the end user and better for profits too.

What if we had "screen Touch ID gate", or "bilateral charge gate" and AR headsets that people complained about?

Those 3 features may or may not come out next year, or maybe in future years.
 
For sure, those would have been nice features.

I think Apple makes slow and sure progress - they want to make sure things work well, and they know in the long run it's better for the end user and better for profits too.

What if we had "screen Touch ID gate", or "bilateral charge gate" and AR headsets that people complained about?

Those 3 features may or may not come out next year, or maybe in future years.

You can sense they couldn't do it all in one day. AR smart glasses would be an entire event on their own - you couldn't couple that at the same event with a new iPhone and iPad. The U1 chip didn't get mentioned so you expect that will be part of the "whats next" at a Q4 event.
 
For sure, those would have been nice features.

I think Apple makes slow and sure progress - they want to make sure things work well, and they know in the long run it's better for the end user and better for profits too.

What if we had "screen Touch ID gate", or "bilateral charge gate" and AR headsets that people complained about?

Those 3 features may or may not come out next year, or maybe in future years.

Given the recent finds in XCode’s latest version I wonder if there will be an October event around AR, Apple Tags and an AR headset. It may not be specific to iPhone 11 — maybe an accessory that works with all late model iPhones.

The one thing I was really hoping to hear about yesterday was Apple Tags and a new Siri Remote with a built in Apple Tag and how every new Apple product would have one built in. I’m crossing my fingers for October and if so the bonus might be that I get this stuff without having to buy the new iPhone.
 
In my opinion, the most impressive thing about the 11 Pro is .... that extra four hours battery life. Because my XS battery, ive noticed in recent months really has dropped and I gotta charge it somewhere in the middle of the day. 86% capacity in settings.

I wish my XS had those extra four hours/ Actually looking back to a year ago, what was the XS extra battery life over the X reported as? What was it... half an hour?

But, I don't need to buy the 11 Pro for that - buying a new battery (and iOS 13 when it comes) can instead just breath a whole new life into my XS.
 
The only difference, historically, between S years and non-S years has been the physical design. Many - if not more - major technological changes have come in S-years.
Love it. Add a headphone jack and it's a sell! Camera companies should take notice - instead of adding fancy cameras to what used to be a phone, add phone features to high end cameras.

They would add the headphone jack 3 years later to this lol!

Glad you were able to get this joke other than member “3 degrees” cmaier. Read our back and forth for a laugh :D
 
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Does it run iOS? No? Then your comparisons are irrelevant. Comparing iPhones software support to Android? Absolutely clueless.

It is funny how TILL THIS DAY people like you still show up flogging “oh this android phone has more features” rubbish. Hardware features are irrelevant if the software is garbage, iOS continues to outperform android on lesser hardware. Why? Because it IS better. Because it is built by the same people who build the hardware. Show me how smooth scrolling is on an android phone? Still feels like garbage compared to an iPhone 5.
Bottom line is both OSs have their lovers and haters and some are indifferent. Both have closer feature parity for most common tasks and it’s more down to personal preference than anything else these days.

P.s. I’ve not had issues with the scrolling experience on Android.
 
Given the recent finds in XCode’s latest version I wonder if there will be an October event around AR, Apple Tags and an AR headset. It may not be specific to iPhone 11 — maybe an accessory that works with all late model iPhones.

The one thing I was really hoping to hear about yesterday was Apple Tags and a new Siri Remote with a built in Apple Tag and how every new Apple product would have one built in. I’m crossing my fingers for October and if so the bonus might be that I get this stuff without having to buy the new iPhone.


Yes - I was looking for the Apple tags device too - but seeing how it all is playing out, I think it's good to wait for another event to show that off. It would blow the minds of the talking heads on CNBC - they wouldn't know what to do about it, and they would probably simply ignore the Apple Tags if they were announced yesterday.

The tags will take 20 minutes of Keynote time to explain Apple Tags and also ARKit.

It takes about a week before all their "analysts" can process and understand the new products.

Right now they "get" things like $4.99 or free for the Apple TV+, that much is simple for the talking heads to understand. But anything beyond that takes them a while. They need to be told and shown by the market actually.

Huge upside for the Apple Tags - I really hope they get released. It's probably $30 Billion dollars of revenue - bigger than AirPods perhaps.
 
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I think it’s more that see the various android smartphones in the market having unique features of their own, and now everyone expects the iphone to be this amalgamation of every other feature combined.

The S10 and Note10 let you charge your watch and earbuds from the phone, so naturally, the iphone has to support that as well. Same with in-display fingerprint sensors, USB-C port, stylus support, night-sight (google has been able to do it with a single camera lens), minimal notch, with a lower price tag to boot.

Thing is, the iphone has never been about having the most features or doing the most. Apple products are all about minimalism and purity in hardware design.

This is where I suspect the divergence in priorities become more apparent. Other smartphone companies have no wearables presence to speak of, which is why they are going all-in on the smartphone. Meanwhile, Apple sees the writing on the wall. The smartphone market is a maturing one, which is why they are pivoting to services and wearables instead.

That’s why I suspect Apple hasn’t adopted folding displays, and is instead working on smart glasses, for one. While people may have a point that a folding phone allows for a larger display in a smaller form factor, Apple is intent in taking that logic one step further and releasing a pair of glasses which effectively gives you a screen as wide as your entire field of vision.

I expect this to be the new normal moving forward.

That's a fair point. I certainly don't sit there and expect/need every feature that is out there, but I never really get a good answer to my question. It seems most just enjoy complaining day in and day out. Agree though, Apple is already on a new path when it comes to their priorities moving forward.
 
looks like all they really did is copy huawei's triple camera design and also copied the mate 20 pro name. by adding pro to the iphone name. no wonder huawei took the number 2 spot away from apple. nothing innovative this year again.
 
Well..

100 watts of charging power vs the 12 watts max that lightning provides (that Apple calls fast charging!) and USB 3.1 transfer speeds out of the box for a start.
I suppose if other phone makers are providing that why not apple?
Not something that I need but I get your point.
I've heard that the fast charging may decrease the life of the battery..is this apples reason or
does it somehow save them money?
 
looks like all they really did is copy huawei's triple camera design and also copied the mate 20 pro name. by adding pro to the iphone name. no wonder huawei took the number 2 spot away from apple. nothing innovative this year again.

They took number 2 slot due to selling a bunch of non flagships

When it comes to selling flagships Apple are still king
 
No problems with storage since I turned on iCloud storage.

I never want to pay for could storage really, but at $1/month - it's just fine. It puts all the old photos there it saves space with uninstalling apps I don't use - and suddenly 64GB is plenty enough.

admittedly I don't do a lot of video. You might need more if you do.
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Shhhh... nobody needs 5G... that's why....

Recently tested my XS MAX download speed at 120 Mbps.

I think that'll be fine for the next couple of years thankyouverymuch.
Folks who do lots of photography, especially video, really need a lot of local storage when cloud storage isn't available or is very slow. This is particularly the case when one is outdoors away from population centers and highways, for instance, if one is on vacation and traveling. I use a GoPro, an Android phone, and a laptop with an SD card reader (sans dongles) when I'm in those situations - all three of those devices have SD card slots for extra storage and interoperability. A 64 - 256 GB SD card provides plenty of storage for a day's worth of videos and still shots, and can be offloaded to a laptop when it gets full. Current portable Apple products, both phones and laptops, don't have SD capabilities (laptops would need an external reader with USB-C dongle).

I largely agree with you in regard to 5G - its deployment needs to hit a critical mass with both coverage and pricing before most end users will see much benefit in dollars spent for needed 5G hardware and ISP subscription costs. The article and clip below were released in 2015, but the forecasted timeline appears to be accurate to date.

https://www.electronics-notes.com/a...reless-cellular/5g-history-timeline-dates.php

... and for current (as of this month) coverage:

https://www.whistleout.com/CellPhones/Guides/5g-cell-phone-plans

5G capabilities will be a more of a concern in two or three years.
 
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I have no issue with the name "Pro", but "Pro Max" is pushing it. Why not just distinguish it by screen size? We don't have a iPad Pro Max or MacBook Pro Max...

It baffles me that anyone can get worked up over the name, much less have the name be a deciding factor on whether or not to buy it. Weird. o_O
 
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We have seriously lost sight of the origin of the word “pro”. It used to mean “professional”, but now it means “more features at a higher price point, but has nothing to do with anything professional”.

Please? Are there really professional phone users?

Maybe not phone specially but pro phone camera users absolutely, even as far as movies being shown in theaters shot entirely on iPhones, albeit few. But since these iPhone events seem to spend a lot of time focusing on camera features I’d say that’s a large part of the pro in Pro.
 
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