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if you really think that iphone 4, omnia and galaxy ace feel the same way than lets not even discuss it as your definition of fine it seems is different then mine.

Even i agree quality is in usage..anandtech just posted a hands on video on youtube and iPhone 5 is blazing fast..

Do you think apple will be sell iphone 5 unlocked? :confused::confused:
 
depends what your current plan is. I was able to get the promo plan 69.99 for unlimited data txt and 450 minutes. Along with a 15% employee discount, so my bill is 67.50 every month. My upgrade is due now but if i get a phone at a subsidized price then I lose the plan I have and have to move to these retarded shared plans thus paying 92 per month for 1gb of data. Essentially paying more for less. I'd save $25 a month by paying 649 for an iphone which is $600 savings over 2 years, the phone itself would cost me around 400+ after i sold my 4. If your plan is around 80-90 a month right now then it makes no sense paying full retail unless you really wanted it and/or didn't care about the money.

In short Apple doesn't allow the early upgrades anymore I was told that by vz either your eligible for a new 2 year at 199 or pay full retail.

I'm on a family plan now (not new share plan) we pay about 250 a month for 4 dumb phones and 2 iPhones with the $30 data plan.

We plan on adding 2 more iPhones in Dec and then we would possibly move to one of the new share plans. I assume if we do this, I lose my unlimited data so paying for the phone full retail would have been pointless...
 
This is a super phone. The design of the 4s was already very very good and the best just got better. A lot of people are designed it doesn't look radically different? It doesn't need to be, it's already what you need from such a device. This thing will sell and sell and sell.
 
Faster and lighter and larger display. Seems like a winner to me.

Nothing innovative whatsoever.

Speed? Yea that's a natural thing.
Lighter? ^^^
Larger display? Yea that's a new concept.:rolleyes:


Goodbye S2 - Hello iP5!

Those going over to Android - Good luck. I loved the switch at first. For around a month. Then I regretted it.

Might as well say hello to the iPhone 4S, you'll save money and only loose a half an inch ;)
 
So, one year ago, when all Apple fans were dealing with the disappointment of the 4S by stating that "iPhone 5" is what Steve Jobs was busy with as his last project, this is what you meant?

:D:D:D
 
Was this a great release compared to previous iPhones? Absolutely. You can't complain about that.

Was this a great release compared to OTHER smartphones? No. Not at all. Nothing revolutionary here.

So, if you're committed to the iPhone, I think you'll love the new one. If you're open to using other phones, well...might want to look elsewhere.

Personally, I LOVE the look of the iPhone 5. I think it looks amazing, and the materials used are fantastic. Feature wise, I'm drawn to the Samsung Galaxy S III. I've owned the original iPhone, iPhone 3G, and iPhone 4, but am now thinking it might be time to try something different. Removable battery, upgradable storage, and a nice large screen are the major differences of the SIII over the iPhone for me.

But god damn if the S III isn't the ugliest thing around. And plastic? Bleh. That might be enough for me to stick with Apple (not to mention the amount of $ I've invested in their ecosystem via Apps...they kinda got me by the short ones there).

Choices, choices. Amazon has the SIII for $99 right now, too...hmm....
 
Well coming from someone who's been on Android since the Nexus1 I was really hoping this would be the phone to bring me over to IOS. I have had my experience with IOS at varying times when I have had to wait for replacement phones and I had an old iPhone. Although it always felt cleaner than Android it was always lacking that one feature for me I couldn't live without.

Back then it was the notification bar and notification LED, they finally implemented one of those.

Now its NFC and they still haven't.

I was going to switch if all the rumors were true dictated by NFC, and they didn't bring it.

I really wanted to switch, I love my Mac, Im thinking in a few years when theres not much tech to implement I will switch for the "cleaner" experience.

If NFC is the one feature you MUST have, then there's no reason for you to make the switch. Personally, I like the new design while keeping a consistent feel. Like they said... it's probably the object you use most in your life. Something people are comfortable with. They take changing it very serious. they didn't want to make a "new" phone, they wanted to make a "better" phone.
 
Im amazed that most (all?) of the iphone 5 leaks were for real... what was tim talking about, doubling down?!
 
iPhone 4

Some quotes from the first couple pages of the iPhone 4 announcement discussion...

Sorry but we knew EVERYTHING already!
NO big surprise! What a letdown!

Total letdown. Where's my Evo?

nothing news,
it stays a phone for losers who wanna show it to their 14-year old friends

I'm off to get my Droid.

I am once again EXTREMELY underwhelmed by yet another Apple iPhone event. I REALLY REALLY wanted 64GB so of course there was not any capacity increase. Same screen size at 3.5 inches. Video chat is only over Wifi. EVERY OTHER FEATURE is what every other high end phone already has and most have had for awhile.

This is ridiculous. Apple needs to raise the bar. I'm getting tired of the iPhone.

Sound familiar?
 
Keynote online...

Does anybody having an experience, in how long it takes normally, until the keynote is online on apple's site? Thank you!!
 
I don't get the fascination to swap batteries out.

1) You'd need to be carrying them around to be able to switch them out in a jam.
2) Why on earth do you need to swap the battery in the first place, the phone only came out 5 months ago!?
3) Wouldn't carrying a charger weigh just as much and be less of a hassle to just plug it than switching out a battery?
4) Isn't that just more money you pay for extra batteries?

These are all serious questions and being that you seem to be enamored with the "feature" I'd love for you to explain this to me. Personally, I'm not a fan of devices you can just pop the back off of....because once you do, it never feels as sturdy (felt this way about my N7)

Android users like to swap out batteries because their oversized underengineered overclocked Android phones all have no battery life. All those LTE phones that came out before Apple finally released one were using early power-hungry LTE chips that drained the phone very quickly. Their screens are thick and huge, requiring a lot more power to match the iPhone's brightness. All the flagship Android phones have abysmal battery life under real world conditions because Android customers only care about spec sheets and not usability.

Apple spends a lot of money and effort to make everything else smaller inside the box so there's more battery, and optimize their software for battery life. To an Android user, they just don't understand the concept of a phone that can last all day long without running out of juice. So, they see that the iPhone battery can't be swapped and think that's a bad thing.
 
Android users like to swap out batteries because their oversized underengineered overclocked Android phones all have no battery life. All those LTE phones that came out before Apple finally released one were using early power-hungry LTE chips that drained the phone very quickly. Their screens are thick and huge, requiring a lot more power. All the flagship Android phones have abysmal battery life under real world conditions because Android customers only care about spec sheets and not usability.

Apple spends a lot of money and effort to make everything else smaller inside the box so there's more battery, and optimize their software for battery life. To an Android user, they just don't understand the concept of a phone that can last all day long without running out of juice. So, they see that the iPhone battery can't be swapped and think that's a bad thing.

Very well said.

The fact that my iPhone 4 battery is still going strong, is a testament to what you said. I am one of those people that used to buy multiple batteries for my business mobiles. It is a miracle if two batteries would last a year, let alone two.
 
If NFC is the one feature you MUST have, then there's no reason for you to make the switch. Personally, I like the new design while keeping a consistent feel. Like they said... it's probably the object you use most in your life. Something people are comfortable with. They take changing it very serious. they didn't want to make a "new" phone, they wanted to make a "better" phone.

The technology in the Qualcomm chipset sounds like it's positioned to be a competitor to NFC (and since the iP5 has it, it's likely just a software update to make use of it).

http://www.qualcomm.com/gobi
 
I'm definitely buying two. Our iPhone 4's are off-contract and we're anxious to jump ship from ATTWS. I thought their coverage was bad in San Francisco: they're more or less unusable in New York City.

I for one am glad the iPhone 5 doesn't have a larger screen than it does. The giganto-screen Android devices are too big for me to use one-handed, and would never fit in the front pocket of my jeans. The iPhone 5 should still be perfectly pocketable.

Thankfully we don't have a lot invested in third party peripherals that utilize the Dock connector, aside from a charging dock for our car that is half-broken and needs to be replaced anyway. The Dock connector design was going on ten years old! I'm glad for the tangible improvements the Lightning connector brings, though I wish it was USB 3.0 and it's a bit annoying that I'll have to go buy a few new cables. At least the USB power adapters haven't changed, and I have plenty of those. When I put my iPhone 4 up for sale, I can at least say in my ad that it comes bundled with three or four USB to Dock connector cables!

Are people still going on about removable batteries? Battery cases like the Mophie Juice Pack are such a superior solution, it's not even funny. (I've never needed one, personally.)
 
When the original iPhone came out, I stood in line and bought one on its release date.

When the iPhone 3Gs came out, I stood in line and bought one on its release date.

When the iPhone 4 came out, I stood in line and bought one on its release date.

When the iPhone 4s came out, I stood in line and bought one on its release date.

NOW Apple is telling me I won't be eligible for the iPhone 5 until sometime in May. Why the inconsistency? This is poor business practice.

You mean your carrier, right?
 
I like the look of the back and sides. Very attractive. But I suppose most people will wrap it in a case so it hardly matters. It was damn good thinking on Steve's part to leave LTE out of the 4S because that's the only thing I see that would justify upgrading to the 5.

and NFC will be the only thing justifiable to upgrade to 5s ;)
 
Android users like to swap out batteries because their oversized underengineered overclocked Android phones all have no battery life. All those LTE phones that came out before Apple finally released one were using early power-hungry LTE chips that drained the phone very quickly. Their screens are thick and huge, requiring a lot more power to match the iPhone's brightness. All the flagship Android phones have abysmal battery life under real world conditions because Android customers only care about spec sheets and not usability.

Apple spends a lot of money and effort to make everything else smaller inside the box so there's more battery, and optimize their software for battery life. To an Android user, they just don't understand the concept of a phone that can last all day long without running out of juice. So, they see that the iPhone battery can't be swapped and think that's a bad thing.

The other reason for needing a removal battery on Android phones, is to get the phone to reboot when it freezes up. LOL! I have quite a bit of experience with that feature using Android phones at work.
 
Android users like to swap out batteries because their oversized underengineered overclocked Android phones all have no battery life. All those LTE phones that came out before Apple finally released one were using early power-hungry LTE chips that drained the phone very quickly. Their screens are thick and huge, requiring a lot more power to match the iPhone's brightness. All the flagship Android phones have abysmal battery life under real world conditions because Android customers only care about spec sheets and not usability.

Apple spends a lot of money and effort to make everything else smaller inside the box so there's more battery, and optimize their software for battery life. To an Android user, they just don't understand the concept of a phone that can last all day long without running out of juice. So, they see that the iPhone battery can't be swapped and think that's a bad thing.

You don't have a clue as to what you are talking about concerning Android. Go stick your head back in the sand, remember to take your iPhone with you
 
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