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Fantastic pricing in the States! Pretty terrible for us Canadians though, we're not getting a fair exchange rate here at all. 64gb should be 650, not 710 :(


Really want one of these. I have been unable to look through this thread, but is it confirmed these devices will have 2GB of ram?
as usual Apple foreign countries price policy is just terrible.... :confused:
 
It could be ridiculous for you, and maybe for me too... But I know quite a lot of people, my wife included, that use a 16 Gb iPhone and have 4-5 Gb of available space.

It isn't about what can be done, but about what *should* be done (by Apple). It's about UX for the average user, not what some can get by with. If you *know* you're going to need more space, of course you'll just buy the 64GB, but a lot of people I've talked to have no clue how much space they need when they buy. And, they assume even a base Apple product should be fine, as it's more expensive than competition models. (Kind of like RAM, they expect Apple to take care of the typical user experience, rather than spec-comparing. That's how Apple taught everyone to shop! Now, they betray that for an up-sell.)

I think you are still using the same eyes you were using in 2010 ...

LOL! Good one! I lost it when I read that. Kind of the ultimate dorf-goes-spec-shopping thing, huh?

You're not serious, are you? "Only a fool"? :lol: There are a ton of people that have zero use for the extra space. This is the perfect fleet phone for companies that don't want to subsidize each phone for each employee. This is the perfect phone for people that use cloud technologies a lot.

And, they'd be *JUST FINE* with a 32GB phone as well. See above!

LOL. $400 is "cheap" to you? In a world of Android phones that allow you to expand the memory to 32 GB or more and still be under $100 total price, you have a pretty skewed perceptive.

You can buy a similar spec Android phone for $100? Aside from the problem of it running Android rather than iOS, if that's true, these manufacturers are totally losing their shirts! (My guess, you're talking about *SUBSIDIZED* prices! Just in case you don't know, that's not the same thing as an unlocked direct purchase.)

Fantastic pricing in the States! Pretty terrible for us Canadians though, we're not getting a fair exchange rate here at all. 64gb should be 650, not 710 :(

Not really. As of about now, yes $499 USD = $653 CAD, but back in mid January, it would have been $727. Apple doesn't adjust prices daily. ***IF*** the Canadian dollar keeps going up and stabilizes, I'm sure Apple will bring down the price. This is a Canada problem though, not an Apple one.

there's people complaining about Ist gen on this very thread - and now you're complaining about 2nd gen being too fast?! Is anyone ever happy?

Yes, I'm well aware people were complaining. I was just pointing out that I've actually heard complaints about the latest ID sensor being so fast it's sometimes almost a bit off-putting in terms of UX because there's not enough time to notice it worked (I assume maybe for making purchases?... I wouldn't think unlock would ever be too quick).

My point was that if this is the case, I think I can get by just fine with the previous gen. I never heard friends with the first gen complain about the speed, though I guess we always like quicker in general.

People re still going on about how this is a renamed 5/5s... I don;t even know how to respond to this...

Trolls... IMO, don't I guess. I'll respond to mis-informed and such, but when it's so stupid that they are obviously just trolling, maybe best to ignore.

Find a dealer who ships to Canada and pay the US price.

Unless you're earning your income in USD, I'm not sure what that would accomplish (aside from ALL the duty and other fees piled on!). I think you're not understanding how international currency works.
 
It won't.

16GB and 32GB of memory actually costs essentially the same to Apple (and all other mobile phone makers). However, if Apple gives you 32 GB, chances are you'll live with it and never pay for a memory upgrade to 64 GB.
However, if they give you 16 GB, there's a better chance a casual user will bite and opt for the 64 GB.

Apple are not after those users who would definitely get the 64 GB version. That upgrade money is already locked in. Apple are after those casual users who would prefer 32 GB, but could live with 16 GB (or even 24 GB if it existed), but may be willing to pay a small amount to go to 64 GB.

The only way this pricing situation will change is if.....well........no, it won't change for awhile. ;) It relies on the cost of storage, which doesn't change as rapidly as it should.
They just made the same move in the iPad world, shifting from 16 Gb to 32 Gb for the base model.
Maybe 32 - 128 - 256 is the future in the iPhone world also, starting from iPhone 7.
 
what - you can't bear to wait one second for your phone to unlock?! How were you coping prior to touch ID? Life must have been awful...

by the way, i mean this as a joke. I know what the internet is like.

No I am not complaining at all. I am quite happy with the 5S's Touch ID, I use it everyday. But it would of been nice if the new SE would of had the 2nd gen Touch ID considering that it costs $579 plus tax for 16GB or $709 for 64GB plus tax in Canada. I don't think that's to much to ask for the $655 base model phone. The 1st gen Touch ID tech Is how old?
 
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I think it has this new name precisely to distinguish it from the number/S convention, and thereby exempt it from the expectation of having a yearly upgrade. SE phone will last two years with a price drop after one year. Other phones will continue as normal, in order to compete more strongly in the higher priced market. That's my prediction anyway. ;)

I doubt that. I would expect them to update it every year. They really couldn't call this a "5" anything, and calling it a 6 makes it old in just 6 months. SE keeps it fresh until they release the "7 mini", and then allows them to drop it down $100 and keep selling it for another two years. Before they're done with it, they might be selling the SE for $199 unsubsidized, and that would be a seismic change for Apple. Meanwhile, they can offer a more flagship level 4" phone with the latest features.

I agree. I see no reason to leave the 6/6+ in the lineup.

Except, the 6/6+ is the $450 phone that draw in more Android customers to the Apple ecosystem next year. Right now to get large screen iPhones, the minimum admission is $550 & $650. I wouldn't be surprised if they don't keep the 6 & 6+ around one additional year and drop it's price to $350 & 450 respectfully, to pull in even more Droid converts.
 
It isn't about what can be done, but about what *should* be done (by Apple). It's about UX for the average user, not what some can get by with. If you *know* you're going to need more space, of course you'll just buy the 64GB, but a lot of people I've talked to have no clue how much space they need when they buy. And, they assume even a base Apple product should be fine, as it's more expensive than competition models. (Kind of like RAM, they expect Apple to take care of the typical user experience, rather than spec-comparing. That's how Apple taught everyone to shop! Now, they betray that for an up-sell.)

I like to bring up my mom here. She has no idea how to wrap her head around space, data, etc. She turns 70 this year (if we needed that information). She does not understand, no matter how I try to explain it, that a ten minute video uses many MANY times more bits of data than does a text based email. Data is not a concept she understands. She isn;t stupid. She has a degree in psychology. Its a generational thing coupled with her never having an interst in tech.

In short, I agree. There is likely a very large subset of consumers who don't know what they need until and unless what they buy turns out not enough. For the record my mom found out the hard way. 16GB doesn't cut it for her picture taking needs/wants.
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No I am not complaining at all. I am quite happy with the 5S's Touch ID, I use it everyday. But it would of been nice if the new SE would of had the 2nd gen Touch ID considering that it costs $579 plus tax for 16GB or $709 for 64GB plus tax in Canada. I don't think that's to much to ask for a $655 16GB phone. The first gen Touch ID tech Is how old?
Just asking because I obviously missed it. It's confirmed they are using the older touch ID tech here?
 
16GB is fine for iOS. IOS are optimized to use less storage space and less RAM. If you care about specs, go to Android (or get a higher stoarge option from Apple). Touchwiz is so bloated that if Samsung used 16gb, only 1 GB storage space would be left.
If you need more storage, usually it isn't for apps but for contents ...
iOS surely is more optimized than Android (especially with TW..) but 16 Gb still is not enough if you want to store music, videos and photos.
16 Gb is fine for users like my wife: she has no more than 6 apps installed, a few photos (she move them on the Mac quite often) and almost no videos on her iPhone.
But she would be fine even with a 32 Gb model....
 
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What do you think they meant by new microphone on the SE? Is this for the 4K video?
 
Ha anyone thought about the name SE so when they go to update it next year they call it the SE2? Lol
 
You can buy a similar spec Android phone for $100? Aside from the problem of it running Android rather than iOS, if that's true, these manufacturers are totally losing their shirts! (My guess, you're talking about *SUBSIDIZED* prices! Just in case you don't know, that's not the same thing as an unlocked direct purchase.)

Metro you can get some burner phones https://www.metropcs.com/cell-phones.html like a galaxy out the door with month to month for under $100
 
Apple must be insean to charge nearly 600 dollars on this thing... Plus 13% tax, this thing is way overpriced in Canada.

For customers, I do not care about exchange rate, all I care is how much I have to pay for the thing. At 579 plus 13% tax, I will just go buy myself a Nexus 5X and some great food.
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2nd generation sensor was used on 6S and 6S plus... 6 uses first generation sensor...
then go buy a Nexus 5X ...
Last time I checked, it doesn't run iOS and it's a 5.2" slate with an uninspiring SoC....
 
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Anandtech seems to have changed it, I swear it said 2gb 30 mins ago :p
I think they are pretty much guessing, just like us...

A9 doesn't exists in a package with 1 Gb of ram, plus the support to 4K video recording let me think the iPhone SE uses the same SoC of the iPhone 6S, thus with 2 Gb of RAM.
 
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Just asking because I obviously missed it. It's confirmed they are using the older touch ID tech here?

According to Apple's compare section it sounds like the SE has the 1st gen Touch ID. I don't know if that translates to the same Touch ID speeds on the SE than the 5S.
 
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Minor quibble but they screwed the pooch AGAIN with LTE Frequency band support. The model Verizon gets does not support Band 7 2600MHz, Band 28 700MHz or any TD-LTE bands...have fun with global roaming in the future! Sure you'll get great LTE but you'll have to double check....I don't know why they do this because the model AT&T and Sprint gets is the international model...is it me or is there some conspiracy Apple has with Verizon to deprive its customers of the best global roaming experience?
 
I wish it looked more like the 6 models. I already have a 5S and was looking forward to getting a phone that looked a bit different.

I want to know what's the reasoning behind leaving some features off like...

LTE Advanced
Second generation fingerprint scanner
5mp facetime camera

These features seem very basic and a no brainer to add.


Personally I'm glad it still looks like the 5. In my opinion the 6 is slipperier than a bar of soap in a prison shower. The 5 is much easier to hold and less likely to get dropped.
 
Does it have the new Touch ID or the slower ?

This is a risky product for Apple. Really odd to see them making something the market dictates rather then just putting out what they want regardless
 
then go buy a Nexus 5X ...
Last time I checked, it doesn't run iOS and it's a 5.2" slate with an uninspiring SoC....

I am happy to report you that I already did.

I could not care less about iOS... Android is plenty more advanced than iOS. At least it has 1080P screen than grabgage sub 720P screen. Oh, by the way, my Nexus 5 runs faster than iPhone 6S...

iPhone SE really only worth 299 or 350 at max. This is just as overpriced as all Apple stuff... Seriously, 2016, still 16GB and still sub 720P screen. At 399, it is terrible deal... Not motion price in Canada is way over the top
 
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