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Is it necessary though if you don't game? Honestly curious
No. My ATV4K is the 32GB model and I have never had an issue with the storage capacity (even though I keep a sizeable amount of Infuse library data on it). On the other hand, $20 is a small enough difference that you might want to pick the 64GB model anyway.
 
Yup! Doubling space for $20 isn't bad at all!
Genuine question - what do you need the storage for? Is it just for installing games? I’ve never even thought about looking at how much I’m using on my 4k but all I have installed are various streaming apps.

EDIT: ignore I see this has been answered in the intervening 12 pages 😅
 
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No spatial audio? What? Pass. They gave the iMac spatial audio, but not the Apple TV? Is this a joke?
And why would it? The Apple TV doesn’t have speakers! If you want spatial audio add 2 regular HomePods. OR better YET!! A full Dolby atmos setup so you don’t have to fake it with spatial audio.
 
And why would it? The Apple TV doesn’t have speakers! If you want spatial audio add 2 regular HomePods. OR better YET!! A full Dolby atmos setup so you don’t have to fake it with spatial audio.

he means spatial audio with AirPods, but it’s not a useful feature for Apple TV because no one has the box in the direct centre of their telly.
 
he means spatial audio with AirPods, but it’s not a useful feature for Apple TV because no one has the box in the direct centre of their telly.
Of course it would be a useful feature. You'd still get the virtual surround sound even if it can't adjust the soundstage to the orientation of your head. Would love to have that for late-night watching.
 
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There is no 120 Hz movie content available on consumer media or streaming services, so you wouldn't gain anything. Even 60 Hz 4K HDR material is rare (AFAIK there are only two Ang Lee movies in 60 Hz on UHD BD).
Having the interface support 120hz alone would make a big difference like it does on our new Sony. And assume the upcoming iPhone 13 will have 120hz video which one could AirPlay for Apple TV.
 
Having the interface support 120hz alone would make a big difference like it does on our new Sony.
I don't understand. If you have no 120 Hz content, why would having "interface support" for 120 Hz on a streaming box matter?
And assume the upcoming iPhone 13 will have 120hz video which one could AirPlay for Apple TV.
Doubtful.
 
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There is no 120 Hz movie content available on consumer media or streaming services, so you wouldn't gain anything. Even 60 Hz 4K HDR material is rare (AFAIK there are only two Ang Lee movies in 60 Hz on UHD BD).
Both Ang Lee movies were filmed in 120 Hz, and was slowed down for UHD BD. IF Apple wanted to push the 120Hz capabilities, they could potentially work with Sony to offer those titles in 120 Hz. Most likely though, they would simply offer the 60 Hz versions since they're pretty wild to watch just by themselves.

List of films with high frame rates

I still say within the next year, we'll see some 60 Hz or 120 Hz Apple TV+ content.
 
Still no HLG format HDR support which is bad news for live broadcasts and catch-up TV apps. HLG is the HDR format of choice for broadcasters as it was designed fo realtime encoding (where as Dolby Vision is designed for prerecorded content).

The poor A12 chip and lack of Air Tag / spacial audio support makes me think this is the same thing that happened to the 2015 Apple TV model - it was basically ready much earlier but Apple held it back and when it eventually came the specs look out of date. If this model had been released this time last year it would have seemed much better.

I've just bought a 4K OLED and only have an Apple TV HD (currently relying on the TV apps for 4K) so I'll be keeping an eye on this when it's released to see how it performs and what HDMI 2.1 features it actually has. For those that don't know, manufacturers are not actually supposed to advertise HDMI version numbers, but instead HDMI features: thus some "HDMI 2.1" are just rebadged HDMI 2.0 but can get away with it because they support ALLM or eARC. Will be interesting to see if Apple implemented QMS and VRR.
 
My ATV4k is directly connected to my receiver. Audio in ATV settings should be set to best available or auto or whatever they call it now. Make sure your receiver is in the correct mode(this varies by receiver). I have a yamaha in my den but my main system uses a denon. Also on that Denon I have my Series X, 2019 shield pro, Oppo 203 and fire stick 4k. No discernible audio quality difference unless i'm watching a disc or one of my rips with lossless audio. Steaming audio all sounds pretty much the same from everything. Except from ATV+ on the ATV itself. That sounds pretty damn good for streaming.

I even have an older ATV, non 4k, and it's fine too. I use that one on my yamaha. The 4k is on my denon.
I have mine connected directly to my denon receiver as well All the settings looked good and matched everything I researched online It’s all very strange :rolleyes:
 
Both Ang Lee movies were filmed in 120 Hz, and was slowed down for UHD BD. IF Apple wanted to push the 120Hz capabilities, they could potentially work with Sony to offer those titles in 120 Hz. Most likely though, they would simply offer the 60 Hz versions since they're pretty wild to watch just by themselves.

List of films with high frame rates

I still say within the next year, we'll see some 60 Hz or 120 Hz Apple TV+ content.
Hm, maybe, but I doubt that we'll see 120 Hz anytime soon. There are reasons why there are only two movies that used that frame rate. It makes everything more expensive and most people won't be able to tell a difference between 60 and 120.

I would like to see more 60 Hz movies though. Once you get over the (psychological) "soap opera effect" it looks impressive. I have both of the HFR Ang Lee movies on UHD disc.
 
Hm, maybe, but I doubt that we'll see 120 Hz anytime soon. There are reasons why there are only two movies that used that frame rate. It makes everything more expensive and most people won't be able to tell a difference between 60 and 120.

I would like to see more 60 Hz movies though. Once you get over the (psychological) "soap opera effect" it looks impressive. I have both of the HFR Ang Lee movies on UHD disc.
While high frame rate video certainly has it's place, things like sports or nature documentaries come to mind, what makes film look like film is the 24 FPS rate. I can't stand frame interpolation or anything else that gives the SOE.
 
i always used appleTV's because i liked the option to 'steam' my music library from my imac.

But now I use amazon prime streaming - so I'm not sure there's any reason to go with another apple tv, may look at amazon fire. I also went with echos comfort sound due to apple's speaker cost.

apple's kind of losing me. iPads are the only thing keeping me in system
I really dislike my Fire TV Cube. I’ve had 2 and they tend to be super buggy. However, the Fire TV Stick 4K works pretty good.
 
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While high frame rate video certainly has it's place, things like sports or nature documentaries come to mind, what makes film look like film is the 24 FPS rate. I can't stand frame interpolation or anything else that gives the SOE.
I think it's just a matter of getting used to. 24 frames/s was a compromise that was made in the early days of cinema, mainly for cost reasons that no longer apply. Now we are used to blurry movements etc.

Native progressive 60 Hz is not the same as frame interpolation as there is actually more temporal and spatial information in the image. It also gives the filmmaker more options for compositing shots (e.g. faster, more dynamic camera movements).
 
No spatial audio? What? Pass. They gave the iMac spatial audio, but not the Apple TV? Is this a joke?
This makes no sense. The iMac has "spatial audio" because they control the audio controller/amp and the speaker configuration. AppleTV doesn't have its own speakers, so you can't create a controller for spatial audio for an infinite variation of speaker configurations.
 
This makes no sense. The iMac has "spatial audio" because they control the audio controller/amp and the speaker configuration. AppleTV doesn't have its own speakers, so you can't create a controller for spatial audio for an infinite variation of speaker configurations.
This is what people are talking about:

 
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Hm, maybe, but I doubt that we'll see 120 Hz anytime soon. There are reasons why there are only two movies that used that frame rate. It makes everything more expensive and most people won't be able to tell a difference between 60 and 120.

I would like to see more 60 Hz movies though. Once you get over the (psychological) "soap opera effect" it looks impressive. I have both of the HFR Ang Lee movies on UHD disc.
I would lean toward Apple doing more 60 Hz content than 120 Hz, and I don't really know why I mentioned 120 Hz in my second paragraph.

I only have "Gemini Man" on UHD disc. Some of it was filmed a few hours away from me, and it was pretty cool to watch. Gorgeous transfer, and the frame rate was entertaining.
 
I would lean toward Apple doing more 60 Hz content than 120 Hz, and I don't really know why I mentioned 120 Hz in my second paragraph.

I only have "Gemini Man" on UHD disc. Some of it was filmed a few hours away from me, and it was pretty cool to watch. Gorgeous transfer, and the frame rate was entertaining.
I would recommend to get "Billy Lynn" as well. It has some scenes in a football stadium that look downright amazing.
 
Hm, maybe, but I doubt that we'll see 120 Hz anytime soon. There are reasons why there are only two movies that used that frame rate. It makes everything more expensive and most people won't be able to tell a difference between 60 and 120.

I would like to see more 60 Hz movies though. Once you get over the (psychological) "soap opera effect" it looks impressive. I have both of the HFR Ang Lee movies on UHD disc.
After seeing that list I doubt anyone is clamouring to watch 120 Hz movies anytime in the next 5-10 years lol
 
After seeing that list I doubt anyone is clamouring to watch 120 Hz movies anytime in the next 5-10 years lol

A lot of HFR movies could be made in the next 5-10 years that might suit your tastes better.

Like Rigsby, I do feel that 60 Hz content will be more prevalent than 120 Hz for the foreseeable future.
 
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