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Wait... it only supports the first gen Apple Pencil? Why would I buy this mini? I’m NOT carrying around or having to keep up with two different Apple pencils throughout the day.
 
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I also love how the cheaper iPads have the headphone jack that many prefer but not the iPad Pros. Great for me, but again, confusing. I'm not sure why anyone would buy a Pro.

I mean, there are a lot of good reasons to buy the pro, not the least of which that it’s specifically designed for professionals. It’s blazingly fast, the very large screen, the 1TB option, Face ID and gesture UI is so much of a better experience than constantly having to go to the home button and the USB port for connecting peripherals directly. These are all things that appeal to those who use an iPad as their main computer for work.

As for the headphone jack, even professionals that work with audio were not using the head jack port for professional work. They’d want the clean digital audio source coming from the Lightning or USB port, not digital audio that was converted to analogue (the headphone jack is a converted to analogue signal) and then converted back to digital. There’s a ton of lost quality there.
 
Same boring design with a $400 price tag..........

Big box retailers have historically discounted the mini by 25%, though with a new model it might not happen until the holidays this year. I don't think the design or small bezels is a priority for the mini as most of them spend their lives in a big kid-resistant case.

It's still my favorite iPad. Being able to read comfortably with one hand matters far more than tech specs.
 
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Uses the gen 1 Pencil that’s almost 4 years old. Still has huge bezels and a home button. Still has lighting port. The mini 5 may have better internals but everything is old compared to the current direction of the iPad pros.

No way I’m going to keep carrying around multiple cords, multiple pencils. It seems Apple didnt intend the new mini to supplement iPad Pro users. This new mini is a fail for me. I’m sure others will fell different and that’s cool too.
 
When I log into Best Buy, they're currently offering me $110 for my 32GB Mini 4 in Space Gray. $75 off on a sale is easily going to happen. Keep regularly checking those trade-in values! When they tweak them, they don't last long. :)
Oh for sure in a couple of months you willsee a drop of 75 to 100. I did the same with my mini 3, just waited until they gave a great trade value. I think i got 175 for the 16gb version at the time.

Its sucks though that your ipad with smaller space and no cellular is getting the same trade value. Good for you sucks for me.
 
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then it would increase the price of the product even more which no one would buy and cause this product line to fail.

need to minimize the amount of R&D for this product to keep prices low.

Why would it increase the price? Because Tim can never accept margins going down as well as up?

"We designed an iPad in 2012, that should be enough for a decade"
 
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I scan through the 18 pages of comments and it seems no one has pick up what I thought was the most important pieces.

The iPad Mini with Cellular is essentially an enlarged iPhone XR without Face ID.
They both have the same LCD with same PPI. Both lacks 3D Touch. There is a difference in back Camera. And iPad mini support Gigabit LTE, I am assuming this is the same as iPhone XS, with Intel 7560 Modem and 4x4 Antenna, which is actually faster than the XR only supporting 600Mbps with 2x2 antenna.

So with a same but larger display, inferior back camera, faster LTE support, the iPad mini 4G starts at $529 with 64GB, while the iPhone XR starts at $749 with the same 64GB Storage.

That is $220 difference.

I would have picked the iPad mini as a phone if it was smaller. And only cost $529!

The same with iPad Air Pricing. I am hoping this is a signal Apple is reconsidering its pricing strategy.

Edit: It is very strange that 1) People thought the iPad mini and Air with this spec is expensive, and 2) People actually want a A10 Mini for $100 dollar less. But Spending $100 more could get you two more years of iOS services life time. 3) Apple has always been about offering value. And these new prices certainly has a lot to offer.
 
Err no. If a single person buys highly redundant products then have a problem. If buy different ones across the ecosystem then you don't. One person two 2018 era iPhones ( e.g. an XR and a XS) versus. One person and a iPhone XS and iPad Mini ( or iPhone XR and iPad Pro both 2018 or iPhone XS Max , MacbookPro , AppleTV , and iPad AIR 2019 ).

If already have an iPad Pro why do you need a mini in a single person scenario? If have way above average disposable income to buy multiple iPad that you can't use at the same time, then how come go Scrooge McDuck when comes to buying another pencil at a fraction of the cost of buying that second, highly redundant iPad?


P.S. Folks who bought the initial 2 generations of the iPad Pro don't have a problem. It is the same pencil for the new Mini. Even if they traded in their "old" iPad Pro for the newest iPad Pro they'd often still have a Pencil 1 laying around not doing anything ( if had a 'Old" mini). So the folks who moved off the older iPad Pros (and will move off over time) already have a Pencil 1. No deep seated "ecosystem" problem there either.

How is it redundant for a single household to own more than one iPad given that Apple designed the iPad and iPhone to be single user devices?

Plus a guy further up already says he works with a Pro and also has a mini for lighter travel.
 
Its sucks though that your ipad with smaller space and no cellular is getting the same trade value. Good for you sucks for me.
Yeah, sorry to hear that. :( You might want to try having a friend or family member (preferably one who is a Reward Zone member) log into the site and check... they might get a different value.
 
It's not odd at all. The Pencil 2 uses a magnetic connector to charge it. The new 2018 iPad Pro chassis is designed for that. The iPad Mini 4 chassis does not. In order to support the Pencil 2 in the new Mini, Apple would have needed to redesign the chassis and retool the manufacturing line to build this new chassis. That would've added to the cost. It would also have to include ProMotion which would add even more to the cost.

They should have called it the Pencil Pro rather than "Apple Pencil (2nd generation)". They are two completely separate incompatible product streams now.

The concept of "It Just Works" is truly dead and buried. Always check and double check the requirements.
 
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I got the iPad mini 4 on Black Friday 2018 for $250 and I'm content. I'd go for the better chip, but otherwise, not enough of a difference to make me regret my purchase.

Same here, got that deal from best buy a few years back. A new design refresh like the new Pros would have been sweet.
 
Both the iPad and the Mini look like attractive updates (better than the awful MB updates). I wish Pencil 2 was compatible although the Mini is attractive enough that I might buy it when it goes on sale. I will keep my eyes peeled on the iPod Touch. Basically the Touch or Mini will replace my antiquated Touch and iPad. If the Touch is not gimped, I'll go with that with only the loss of screen size which would affect one of my desired uses (sheet music viewer). If it's crippled, then I'll get a Mini.
 
I was waiting for this but after thinking about it all day i’ve decided to go for the basic 9.7 iPad. Mainly because it’s much cheaper. I can get the basic iPad for £389 128GB. The mini is £549 for the 256GB and I don’t feel comfortable getting the 64GB. Plus it means cases are in abundance, apple hasn’t made a case for launch day for the mini, just a cover which is £45 . I’m not getting rid of my mini 4 anyway so the basic iPad is a better deal for me.
 
Woohoo, snatching up the iPad mini to replace my iPad mini 2 as soon as possible. I am getting the LTE version. Only decision is whether to get the upgraded storage or not
 
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The mini is my favourite iPad. The form factor is great for travel, better than larger models. A bit disappointed that it doesn't have USB-C but I have plenty of Lightning cables.

Order placed and will probably trade-in my Pro.
 
That's too bad, I was hoping for either a smaller physical footprint or a larger screen delivered via smaller bezels. Pencil support is great, as well as the nicer screen but I'm not sure that's enough to upgrade from my mini 4. Oh well, I'm saving my cash for a foldable screen anyway. We'll see what they come up with for the ipad mini 6 in 5 years.
 
I like the update and don't mind the bezel but it's $100 more than I would be willing to spend on a toy.
 
I’m thrilled there is finally a new iPad Mini and even happier that it supports the original Pencil so I don’t have to spend an additional $129 on the new one. I’m not surprised there are still people whining, bitching, criticizing and name calling though. This was place is full of folks who just aren’t happy unless they have something to be bitter about. It will never change.
 
The executive summary is, "The A12 Bionic chip with Neural Engine, Retina display with True Tone, support for Apple Pencil."

For bezel whiners, this still has the home button thus the camera in the traditional configuration.

Some day they will update it with iPhoneXR features, but expect a price increase too.
Nooo I am not paying a single penny more, give me Face ID, OLED display, bezel less screen, more RAM
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But why the Apple Pencil 1? Having 2 different pencils that only work with certain iPads is bound to cause confusion.

Apple should be phasing all iPads to the new Pencil 2, not introducing brand new iPads that work exclusively with the older pencil.
I think the problem is wireless charging on a pencil, these 2 iPads don't have wireless charging, if they add wordless charging then it will make them expensive.
 
But why the Apple Pencil 1? Having 2 different pencils that only work with certain iPads is bound to cause confusion.

Apple should be phasing all iPads to the new Pencil 2, not introducing brand new iPads that work exclusively with the older pencil.
I suspect they'd rather move everything to the new Pencil 2, but there are likely different requirements for the screen build/technology, in order to work with the Pencil 2, and they don't want to put a substantially more expensive screen (or one possibly requiring other support chips, or that doesn't fit in the exact space available without redesigning the enclosure, or not being able to support the new charging method) in the iPad Mini.
 
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