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What's with the haggling?
Either you love Apple computers and you're willing to pay what they charge or you don't think they're worth the price that they charge. We've established that there are other computers out there that do a lot of stuff that Apple's don't do. If you don't like :apple: right now, buy one of those computers.

Every business is built on making money and Apple is trying to make money. I would venture to say that most people on this board has to have an Apple computer. You want it because they're great computers, otherwise you would just buy a PC.

I don't know about the others but the added Value Apple has over PC's has diminished the past 4 years. I bit the bullet at the end of 06 and got an iMac even though I wasn't really convinced that the value was still there, and now I'm looking at Lenovo laptops. For 8 years since I graduated in 2000, I've been loyal to Apple, through several incarnations, a laptop to carry around, and a desktop at home, a PowerMac G4, and a PowerBook (my parents got me when I started college), then an iMac 20" in 06, and a black MacBook in 2007. But, the last two, I've taken a long hard look at competition, and value, and it's starting to slip. I'm not angry, I'm just disappointed, that I've been loyal, but it feels as though Apple isn't being loyal to me. Components inside an Apple case now, are exactly the same as you can find in any of a dozen PC makers, and yet Apple is still commanding a "premium" price, for style, and I'm not willing to pay the price for the style without getting the substance to back-it-up. In the last few years it has become the consumer's time, prices are dropping like crazy, and competition has heated up. It's more emotional for me, and I assume others because it feels like Apple has let us down, and that's why you're seeing the anger, our cuddley friend in the computer business has decided it's better to rake consumers over the coals, and they've lost me. There's a Lenovo Ideapad coming out this month the Ideapad Y450 that has me excited, and I'll probably do some research and grab a Dell or HP Quad Core sometime in 2010 to replace the Desktop, OS X is great I love it, it fits me like a glove, but Windows has made advancements and all the applications I need and use work as well if not better on Windows. It's kinda like breaking up with your boyfriend/girlfriend it hurts to know one side doesn't feel the same way anymore.
 
Next there'll be Apple tax riots in London as swarms of smug coffee drinking 30 somethings with iPhones beat down the Apple store, it's actually planned for friday if anyone is up for a bit of looting ;)

Will our Apple Care still be valid if the glossy screens get greasy fingerprints on them during the looting? :p
 
Components inside an Apple case now, are exactly the same as you can find in any of a dozen PC makers

A pile of chips doesn't magically become a computer. Have a look at the iMac disassembly photos to see why they're expensive.

The thing is, they used to be more expensive than other machines but they were worth it. You could see why they were more pricey.

But an across the board, enormous price rise is too bitter a pill to swallow.

I would really wait until Ausgust before I bought. If sales are poor, they may well just nudge those prices back down in time for the education market.
 
"The new 24-inch iMac delivers a 30 percent larger display"

Is this true? Any pictures side to side with the previous 24" ?
 
"The new 24-inch iMac delivers a 30 percent larger display"

Is this true? Any pictures side to side with the previous 24" ?

where is that quote from? Surely that is impossible?


(also just because it is surely going to happen.... UK SALES SLOW TO A CRAWL! Seriously, i don't have a mac at the moment and now i literally can't afford to get one except for the mini and even then i would have to buy a screen aswell!)
 
where is that quote from? Surely that is impossible?


(also just because it is surely going to happen.... UK SALES SLOW TO A CRAWL! Seriously, i don't have a mac at the moment and now i literally can't afford to get one except for the mini and even then i would have to buy a screen aswell!)

I quoted it from the article on the front page.

https://www.macrumors.com/2009/03/0...s-mac-minis-airport-extreme-and-time-capsule/

Apple today announced updates to its iMac and Mac mini desktop lines, including a 24-inch iMac and a Mac mini with new NVIDIA integrated graphics. For the same $1,499 price as the previous generation 20-inch iMac, the new 24-inch iMac delivers a 30 percent larger display, twice the memory and twice the storage. Apple also claims up to five times better graphics performance in the new Mac mini with the NVIDIA GeForce 9400M integrated graphics.
 
The next iMacs and Mac Minis will come boxed without a power supply. The supplies will be available to order at GBP 150/ USD 200. Follow that Ryanair jet ...

LOL! The PSUs will be coin-operated (actually Apple will "innovate" a contactless credit card reader, like the Oyster card, which will interface with the Zapp Store - Power Your Mac™).

It's getting depressingly easy to take the mickey out of Apple these days :eek:
 
I don't know about the others but the added Value Apple has over PC's has diminished the past 4 years. I bit the bullet at the end of 06 and got an iMac even though I wasn't really convinced that the value was still there, and now I'm looking at Lenovo laptops. For 8 years since I graduated in 2000, I've been loyal to Apple, through several incarnations, a laptop to carry around, and a desktop at home, a PowerMac G4, and a PowerBook (my parents got me when I started college), then an iMac 20" in 06, and a black MacBook in 2007. But, the last two, I've taken a long hard look at competition, and value, and it's starting to slip. I'm not angry, I'm just disappointed, that I've been loyal, but it feels as though Apple isn't being loyal to me. Components inside an Apple case now, are exactly the same as you can find in any of a dozen PC makers, and yet Apple is still commanding a "premium" price, for style, and I'm not willing to pay the price for the style without getting the substance to back-it-up. In the last few years it has become the consumer's time, prices are dropping like crazy, and competition has heated up. It's more emotional for me, and I assume others because it feels like Apple has let us down, and that's why you're seeing the anger, our cuddley friend in the computer business has decided it's better to rake consumers over the coals, and they've lost me. There's a Lenovo Ideapad coming out this month the Ideapad Y450 that has me excited, and I'll probably do some research and grab a Dell or HP Quad Core sometime in 2010 to replace the Desktop, OS X is great I love it, it fits me like a glove, but Windows has made advancements and all the applications I need and use work as well if not better on Windows. It's kinda like breaking up with your boyfriend/girlfriend it hurts to know one side doesn't feel the same way anymore.

Wow, that was a lot to read, good thing I skimmed through only the important stuff.

Your missing the point, the guy you were quoting is saying this, in terms of Apple either love em or leave em. There are other options so why come here and show your upset? It's useless. Period. It's not like Apple is doing something to you personally, that's their choice to charge and offer what they want and it's our choice as a consumer to buy what we want so if you're no longer interested in Apple then posting here is pointless. It kind of gives off the impression that some of you want people to leave Apple as well because you now hate them.
I'm new here but I have been reading a lot in these forums and I notice all the negative people will post this type of dialog (not in these words), "I hate Apple now, come join me in my misery, if you don't you're a fanboy".
 
Hmm, ok I was long winded, but I am a gabber. The issue is Apple for a long time relied on word of mouth from it's large loyal fan base. Any marketing/business strategy that alienates your core is bound to fail. Apple is personal to a lot of people, that have developed relationships with their computers, and the perceived added-value that the Apple mark used to give machines is no longer there. The thing is they did it to themselves, Microsoft didn't have to do anything, Apple is shooting themselves in the foot.
 
Hmm, ok I was long winded, but I am a gabber. The issue is Apple for a long time relied on word of mouth from it's large loyal fan base. Any marketing/business strategy that alienates your core is bound to fail. Apple is personal to a lot of people, that have developed relationships with their computers, and the perceived added-value that the Apple mark used to give machines is no longer there. The thing is they did it to themselves, Microsoft didn't have to do anything, Apple is shooting themselves in the foot.

If this was year 1999 I would agree with you but it is now 10 years later and Apple is no longer a small company out of a garage, it's is a multi-billion company that probably has more cash in the bank than any other multimedia company. They have gotten people to actually pay for music, they gotten people to buy into the iPod when there was an already existing market but now the iPod represents over 80% marketshare and it's still the number 1 music player.
The iPhone, in it's short existence has become the number 1 selling smart phone, people are standing out in lines for hours for it, they are not doing that for a blackberry.

So, with that being said, Apple CAN afford to charge whatever they like for their computers, they've never sold cheap computers and they are selling more computers each quarter than most of their competitors.
So I understand your point, but you're looking at Apple as if they are still a startup company that can't afford to piss off customers due to their prices, unfortunately they can.
 
deja vu

stop all the whining..blame global economy, not apple

i' ve been reading these forums since 8 years now and we have seen this rejoiceandwhineagain pattern several times now over the years and apple has still sold more and more units every time

i'm still planning to buy me a new 24 imac...just need those frigging geforce specs beforehand ;)
 
If this was year 1999 I would agree with you but it is now 10 years later and Apple is no longer a small company out of a garage, it's is a multi-billion company that probably has more cash in the bank than any other multimedia company. They have gotten people to actually pay for music, they gotten people to buy into the iPod when there was an already existing market but now the iPod represents over 80% marketshare and it's still the number 1 music player.
The iPhone, in it's short existence has become the number 1 selling smart phone, people are standing out in lines for hours for it, they are not doing that for a blackberry.

So, with that being said, Apple CAN afford to charge whatever they like for their computers, they've never sold cheap computers and they are selling more computers each quarter than most of their competitors.
So I understand your point, but you're looking at Apple as if they are still a startup company that can't afford to piss off customers due to their prices, unfortunately they can.

Well actually the iPhone was the leader in sales for a period, but is by no means the best seller of all-time, Blackberry routinely outsells the iPhone, and the iPod is great, the iPhone is great too, I love playing with my boyfriend's iPhone. Just because they have grown doesn't mean you can abandon your past, the people that made Apple big, are the people that switched, and if you piss them off they will leave. On my team at work, the senior is an Applehead he has been for 20+ years he said that the Mac was great when it first came out, it was the right tool for the job he was doing, but even he is now shopping for a PC laptop. If you want to phase out a product line the best way to do it, is to just bite the bullet. Phasing out a line buy raising prices and not upgrading is just going to turn potential consumers onto your competitor's. And many times the carry-over will bite you in the ass. If you turn off people to Apple's Mac's whose to say they won't harbor negativity towards your other money makers?
 
You're assuming that Apple's primary interest remains in computers. I'd say it's pretty obvious their core target market is shifting toward iPod/iPhone/iTunes customers.

There doesn't have to be 'primary' interest in anything. That's like saying Sony's primary interest is the PS3 and they only reluctantly want to sell you a TV!
 

Aha! Now i understand the misinterpretation, thanks!

Read the sentence again, it's saying for the same price as the previous 20" iMac you get a 30% larger screen (i.e. which is the new 24" iMac). It's not saying the new 24" imac is 30% larger than the old 24" iMac. :)

I know, it's a little confusing when you first read it.

I see, i thought that something was amiss!

I think you'll find "display" is an Apple euphemism for "price" :p

This is an interesting theory.
 
Does the new 20" imac have a 24bit display?

This is a deal breaker for me. The apple website suggests it has...
 
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