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Haha, it's Apple fans boys like you (check your sig!) that means Apple can charge what they want.

Your example doesn't work. You cannot compare a BMW to a Mercedes, can you buy a BMW with a Mercedes engine? NO.

Does a Rolex watch share any components with a Casio? NO.

Do McDonalds sell comparable food to a fine restuarant? NO.

Can you buy a Dell with comparable components with an Apple? YES.

In fact it's not quite that simple - cars do in fact share many components. A BMW and a Toyota may both use shocks from Boge or Sachs, brakes from Lucas or Brembo, transmissions from Getrag or ZF, etc. The difference is that a) the manufacturers expend a lot of effort masking the OEM producers and even more on marketing their desired 'image.' b) most likely you are not a car enthusiast - and cars to you are just an appliance, so you buy what is the best combination of styling, image, reliability, value, etc. Sometimes an economy manufacturer like Subaru or Mitsubishi even puts together a car that 'outperforms' a Porsche for 1/3 of the price. That doesn't mean there isn't a market for Porsche's though, right?

Well guess what - to most computer owners a computer is just that - an appliance. They don't care one bit what makes it run - they make their purchase the same way you buy a car. For some consumers, that means a Apple is the best choice for them and it doesn't matter one bit that xyz computer co can sell them a faster processor, bigger hard drive, or more ram or faster fsb for less. That's not the biggest deciding influence in their purchase. Most of us in a computer forum have a hard time removing these blinders, but it would behoove us to try. :)
 
Geforce GT 120 = 9600 GT

hmm...Nvidia updated their apple graphic card product page

http://www.nvidia.com/page/apple.html

hmmm....funnily enough the links in the upper left corner to the GeForce 9600 GT (which is supposed to be the new GT 120)! and the GeForce 9400M still go to the old cards (8800 gt & 8600m)... so they're linking their product info over 2 generations... it's like a time warp

wow..great info on some great, "new" products..pffff

come on..give us accurate info pls..now
 
The UK audience need to look at reality rather than placing blame on one company. What is Apple's excuse for NOT raising the U.S. prices? Hmm? It's your own country that is causing the EURO to plummet. Then you think a U.S. company selling their product should take the downfall with you?
I wish the UK crowd would stop acting like they are the only customers Apple gets business from. The U.S right now has very little money and we have the least amount of employment so we expect Apple to lower costs here for us but they don't.

It is this thinking that lead to the 1930s crash (it was the attempts to fix the late 20s problems that lead to the disaster the US had), and if you carry on with protectionism again you'll remain in the bad shape you are in at the moment.

The statements today from Schmidt on the Apple board are very reminiscent of Apple c1993-96. I think we are in for gloomy times with Apple.

In addition, I was in a UK Apple Store today, chatting to staff and they are _extremely_ worried by the feedback they are having. People are laughing at the prices and walking out. The first time I'd seen the store with more staff than public. Very sad.
 
hmm...Nvidia updated their apple graphic card product page

http://www.nvidia.com/page/apple.html

hmmm....funnily enough the links in the upper left corner to the GeForce 9600 GT (which is supposed to be the new GT 120)! and the GeForce 9400M still go to the old cards (8800 gt & 8600m)... so they're linking their product info over 2 generations... it's like a time warp

wow..great info on some great, "new" products..pffff

come on..give us accurate info pls..now
GT120 = 9500GT = 8600GT

GT130 = 9600 GSO = 8800GS

The desktop ones that is.
 
In addition, I was in a UK Apple Store today, chatting to staff and they are _extremely_ worried by the feedback they are having. People are laughing at the prices and walking out. The first time I'd seen the store with more staff than public. Very sad.

Probably explains why the UK refurb store has no Minis or iMacs.
 
The UK audience need to look at reality rather than placing blame on one company. What is Apple's excuse for NOT raising the U.S. prices? Hmm? It's your own country that is causing the EURO to plummet. Then you think a U.S. company selling their product should take the downfall with you?
I wish the UK crowd would stop acting like they are the only customers Apple gets business from. The U.S right now has very little money and we have the least amount of employment so we expect Apple to lower costs here for us but they don't.

Well you got spanked a moment ago on this, but I though I'd point out the obvious fact that the UKs currency is Sterling, and not the EURO as you seem to think FYI.

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No matter what happens with the mac, as long as the iPhone farts people will be happy :)
 
Well you got spanked a moment ago on this, but I though I'd point out the obvious fact that the UKs currency is Sterling, and not the EURO as you seem to think FYI.

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No matter what happens with the mac, as long as the iPhone farts people will be happy :)

Sure, I got that wrong, big deal, the correction is not needed, I was making a point. If someone from a different country made a mistake and someone from the U.S. would correct them some of you would jump all over the person. Sheesh.
 
But where is the fun in that, even a second FW800 port would make life easier. Daisy chaining gets boring in the end.

See I've never actually been able to use FW, but does daisy chaining affect performance?

I've heard that it doesn't or the effect is marginal at best.
 
Sure, I got that wrong, big deal, the correction is not needed, I was making a point. If someone from a different country made a mistake and someone from the U.S. would correct them some of you would jump all over the person. Sheesh.

Come on, how can you try to make a valid point about economics if you don't even know the currency of the country you're talking about.

But all anally retentive niggling by me aside, Apple should be carefull, we brits don't take too kindly to paying over the odds.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poll_Tax_Riots

Next there'll be Apple tax riots in London as swarms of smug coffee drinking 30 somethings with iPhones beat down the Apple store, it's actually planned for friday if anyone is up for a bit of looting ;)

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No matter what happens with the mac, as long as the iPhone farts people will be happy :)
 
Come on Apple! I so want to ditch my noisy XP desktop which is basically an internet and movie playing machine for my HDTV. I won't ditch the XP box until there's an appropriate mini that covers the duty. For 800 bucks, I can build another great kickass gaming machine and stick it in the case I already have. Make a $400, easily-user-upgradeable (just make the case a little more accessible) very small form factor machine, and I-and I suspect a lot of others-will buy them like hotcakes from you!
 
Hats off to great service

I ordered a 20" late sunday nite only to find the new iMac came out tuesday. I called Apple and they had already up graded me to a 24", 8GB and 1TB + remote at No Extra Charge!! They saved me about $1000.oo What a great surprise. I"ll have to wait till mid April till I can donate my PC away but it will be woth it.:):apple::)
 
I ordered a 20" late sunday nite only to find the new iMac came out tuesday. I called Apple and they had already up graded me to a 24", 8GB and 1TB + remote at No Extra Charge!! They saved me about $1000.oo What a great surprise. I"ll have to wait till mid April till I can donate my PC away but it will be worth it.:):apple::)
 
I ordered a 20" late sunday nite only to find the new iMac came out tuesday. I called Apple and they had already up graded me to a 24", 8GB and 1TB + remote at No Extra Charge!! They saved me about $1000.oo What a great surprise. I"ll have to wait till mid April till I can donate my PC away but it will be woth it.:):apple::)

WHAAAAA?:eek:

I've heard some GREAT stories from apple, but jeez, come on!

I have to say I have a hard time fully believing this....
 
WHAAAAA?:eek:

I've heard some GREAT stories from apple, but jeez, come on!

I have to say I have a hard time fully believing this....

Seriously, considering just the RAM upgrade would cost $1000...wouldn't they just upgrade you to the comparable new model?! :rolleyes:
 
See I've never actually been able to use FW, but does daisy chaining affect performance?

I've heard that it doesn't or the effect is marginal at best.

Not true. For film editing from firewire cameras, daisy chaining is not recommended. But additional firewire hard drives are. I've tried daisy-chaining for this task (using firewire camera connected to firewire hard drive connected to computer) - totally unreliable. So these iMacs reduce functionality in a similar manner to the new macbooks.

Probably similarly true for firewire audio hardware too.

So Apple have basically wiped out the prosumer audio/ video hobbyist segment with their macbook and iMac changes.

One sub-forum for UK mac enthusiasts I hang around on is full of fanbois. Who habitually defend mac all the time. Their reaction has been quite brutal to this. A complete 100% turnaround. And any talk of buying confined to looking for refurbs

Sales of macs will collapse in the UK - I wouldn't be surprised to see panic price cuts within a month or two (retrospectively applied to the 15 people who did buy before the price cuts).
 
See I've never actually been able to use FW, but does daisy chaining affect performance?

I've heard that it doesn't or the effect is marginal at best.

No it doesn't as far as I know unless you plug in a FW400 drive, (with adapter) on a FW800 chain.

I daisy chain right now 2, 2.5" Hard drives together on my FW400 port. No problems. Stix666, answered the rest of the question.
 
I am so sad I didn't just pick up the previous revision...

So what is stopping you? It will be available for awhile and probably at a significant discount. That is how I picked up my pre-unibody MBP for $1450 just days after the new uni-body came out. There is no better time to buy the old models, ESPECIALLY when the new ones suck.

will run Windows on it because I must run Visual Studio (ok ok, I'll leave OSX in just in case), and to be honest, I don't care about the OS.

To me, the OS is everything. I don't care about the hardware beyond if it meets my needs and is a reasonable price. Even so, XP isn't the horrible OS some Mac fans make it out to be. Windows98 WAS pretty horrible, but then it wasn't any worse than OS9 (if not better in many ways, IMO). Vista, though is a bear. I'll reserve judgment on Windows 7 until I see what the final revision can do. It doesn't hurt that have a computer that can run both, though. I don't believe Final Cut Pro (Studio) or Logic Pro 9 are available for Windows, though so I have a couple of good reasons to run OS X beyond my preference for the interface and at least a partial belief that a Unix based system will usually be more reliable to run for extended lengths of time without a reboot (e.g. for my whole house audio server on my PowerMac) than a non-Unix one like Windows. More than a few kernel panics and freezes, however, have convinced me that Leopard is FAR from perfect, though. I've found Tiger on the PowerMac to be more reliable, but I'm fast approaching a few situations and even a few software applications that don't run on Tiger (any longer at least in the latest incarnations).

You're right. And if you erroneously put a bad driver (which is not uncommon):

[lots of blue screen of death examples]

That doesn't happen with Macs.

No, you get a freeze or a kernel panic INSTEAD (and not because of bad drivers, necessarily, but often "just because" it seems on my Macs). Those are always FUN...just as much as the blue screens of death. Macs aren't perfect and those issues have NOTHING to do with the hardware anyway. It's an OS issue. If you put OS X on a Dell with compatible hardware, it'll run just as well as on an Apple, despite what the many fanboys on here who have very poor knowledge of computers seem to think.

Really? your whole mac freezes? Restart without warning? I've never heard of such a thing in a decade of Mac use. The great part about Macs is if one app freezes it doesn't take down the OS with it. Just force quit the app, nothing else affected. That's my experience. The only time a Mac has ever restarted arbitrarily is when I didn't have the power cord plugged in all the way. You might want to check your connection.

You've never HEARD of such a thing in a decade of Mac use?? What planet have YOU been living on? I've never had a restart without warning, but I've had plenty of freezes (had two just the other day while trying to edit with Final Cut Pro 6 on my MBP; total freeze up without warning. It seems OS X doesn't like a journaled USB 2.0 external drive...well I'm guessing that's it from what I've been reading. I've had a dozen kernel panics on my PowerMac in the past year and a half and at least 3 on my MBP purchased last October (these are not Hackintoshes, but real Apple hardware too [gasp]. Macs and OS X are FAR from the perfection some of you IMAGINE it to be. Get with reality.

As for all the pooh pooh about Hackintoshes in general, I'm tired of hearing excuses and apologies for why Apple hardware is STILL insanely overpriced. At least when they were using PPC, they could try and get you to believe it was because it's an uncommon platform and so prices are higher and margins are lower. Just taking a look at Apple's RECORD BREAKING PROFITS during a GLOBAL RECESSION should indicate to a person exactly how HIGH those margins currently are. The price increases (while simultaneously fighting Psystar to prevent ANY competition for hardware to run OS X) during this recession show a level of greed even Bill Gates couldn't hope to ever match. They're using the same cheap clone hardware Dell uses and charging twice as much and people are defending them as somehow having magical hardware. WTF!? I knew fanboys had a tendency to be overzealous, but clearly it's more like living in a dream world of pure blissful ignorance of reality.

Based on other comments here, it's very obvious the 'average' Mac user knows very little about computers in general and so many don't even REALIZE how much they're getting ripped off. They just pay whatever Apple asks and drink some Kool-Aid and tell us how great Macs are. The problem (for Apple) is that over 40% of Apple's new computer sales in the past year or two have been to switchers from the Windows world who are not happy with Vista and can plainly see OS X is the superior OS (at least until Windows 7 comes out, if not longer) and many of them are NOT ignorant about computer hardware and along with the more informed Mac users are the ones screaming in these threads about Apple's complete loss of touch with reality. The ones defending Apple are the ones that don't know and don't care about hardware.
 
I'm going to pretend that this update never happened, and wait until Apple puts a serious offer on the table.

There is really no point in buying before Snow Leopard comes out anyway, because you may as well get it for free.
 
There is really no point in buying before Snow Leopard comes out anyway, because you may as well get it for free.

There is if you want a Mac that supports both older OS X versions and the latest e.g. Leopard and Snow Leopard.

Usually Apple only support the OS X version a new Mac ships with. This can cause big headaches in large deployment environments when it's a major OS X release.

Having said that, I get the impression updated Macs released later this year that ship with Snow Leopard will be similar enough to current hardware that Leopard will still support it. For example, the upcoming 10.5.7 supports Nehalem Xeon and Core i7 processors and newer graphics cards.

I do agree though that upgrading to a new iMac now is a poor buying decision; the value isn't there in the processor choices and will be obsolete sooner than usual.

If you have the dough, get a Mac Pro™ ;)
 
GeForce GT 120 specs

Nvidia has released the GT 120 specs (desktop version tho)

http://www.nvidia.com/object/product_geforce_gt_120_us.html
("Not available for individual purchase")

also compare to the 130 version:
http://www.nvidia.com/object/product_geforce_gt_130_us.html

what really strikes me is that the "cheaper" GT 120 is OpenGL 3.0 compliant, whereas the GT 130 is only OpenGL 2.1....

does anyone know if Leopard or Snow Leopard is OpenGL 3.0 savvy? looks like the 120 is of newer design than the more powerful GT 130

edit: o well..this might be indeed old info..as it doenst really help in getting more info about the actual imac GT 120
 
imac 24

Does the imac 24 inch have the BETTER screen that the 24 inch had over the 20 inch when the new imacs were first released?? Or since the price on the new 24 is lower did they put the low end display in as everyone was complaining about with the 20's??
 
I just don't understand

What's with the haggling?
Either you love Apple computers and you're willing to pay what they charge or you don't think they're worth the price that they charge. We've established that there are other computers out there that do a lot of stuff that Apple's don't do. If you don't like :apple: right now, buy one of those computers.

Every business is built on making money and Apple is trying to make money. I would venture to say that most people on this board has to have an Apple computer. You want it because they're great computers, otherwise you would just buy a PC.

Rodney King: "Can't we all just get along?"
 
Not true. For film editing from firewire cameras, daisy chaining is not recommended. But additional firewire hard drives are. I've tried daisy-chaining for this task (using firewire camera connected to firewire hard drive connected to computer) - totally unreliable. So these iMacs reduce functionality in a similar manner to the new macbooks.

Probably similarly true for firewire audio hardware too.

So Apple have basically wiped out the prosumer audio/ video hobbyist segment with their macbook and iMac changes.

One sub-forum for UK mac enthusiasts I hang around on is full of fanbois. Who habitually defend mac all the time. Their reaction has been quite brutal to this. A complete 100% turnaround. And any talk of buying confined to looking for refurbs

Sales of macs will collapse in the UK - I wouldn't be surprised to see panic price cuts within a month or two (retrospectively applied to the 15 people who did buy before the price cuts).

I have heard of the same issue when trying to daisy-chain a video camera with an external HDD. Does the problem persist if one uses a FW hub versus daisy-chaining?
 
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