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Apple Announces New MacBook Pros, Updates MacBook Air
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THE RESPONSE: The response I recieved was in conversation with Apple tech support was, "I am actaully not sure what Apple was thinking, I just found out yesterday myself. I don't understand because we use it for troubleshooting and diagnostics ourselves..." So even the people at APPLE are not happy...
This is just unbelievable...
:|
I started the petition, and from where I sit, it looks like it's still up! *phew*
Had me worried there...
I'm still considering purchasing one of the "old MBPs," how much worse are the 8600 graphics compared to the 94/9600 ones being used know. I know the 9600 is discreet, but I was wondering, apart from the potential failure, how much worse is the old gpu?
I figured out what's going on - the petition URL appears with an ellipsis in it in my signature, but that's just the macforums signature truncating the display of the url. If you copy and paste the url, it wont work - you need to click the link in my signature.
I'll try posting the full URL here - hopefully it wont be truncated in the body of a post as opposed to my sig.
*edit* crap... it truncates the url display in the post body as well. Just click the link in my signature, or CLICK HERE FOR THE PETITION
I seem to be of the lonely few that actually like this redesign. I loved the new iMacs when they came out and I love the new design of the MBPs. I'm a wedding videographer and I currently use my iMac for editing my work and it does a great job. I'm deffinately going to get a new MBP for on the go and showing my work to clients. True, the exclusion of FW400 is a bumber, but all you have to do is buy a new cable. But thats just me and it doesnt bother me. My 2 cents....
You will notice he only mentions the price for the "last MacBook update"
the pricing scheme for australia was carried over from the last generation of macbooks, when the dollar value was worse.
Not htat it matters much, as a number of their competitors are asian based, which have not had the same drop off in value as the AUS/US comparison. Of course, they will likely raise their margins thanks to apples pricing frame.
Phew. Thanks for that. I'd posted it on a couple of other forums to spread the word and was starting to wonder what was up.
Over 100 sigs from one forum ain't bad.
Awesome! Just make sure you get the whole forum link, and not the screwy truncated one. Posting the petition to other forums, or passing it around to colleagues that the no-matte issue will presently, or eventually effect can really get the ball rolling.
I just sent engadget a note about the petition. I doubt they'll pick it up, but if they run anything about it, it could get some decent exposure.
One can only hope...
One can only hope...
Sitting here with my new MBP (the $1999 kind). Grabbed it from the Palo Alto Apple Store during lunch. Just unpacked it. No one can ever argue this thing is uglier than its predecessor, its sooooooooooooooo nice. The feeling of quality is unbelievable. cant wait to get home from work
Btw, I feel sorry for you professionals who needs a matte display and FW400, for me it is not an issue so I'm happy.
Btw, I feel sorry for you professionals who needs a matte display and FW400, for me it is not an issue so I'm happy.
This is a well made strategy from apple to get the consumers used to the upcoming products. Yes, they are always one step behind and every new product is a "test" for the new upcoming products.
- They didnt make that glassy screen just because its pretty. They have a reason for this. If you take the bottom part of the MB and MBP you get that screen similar to an iPhone or iPod Touch. The same line of design like a 13" or 15" iphone. Get it? What a nice MacTouch this will be...
- At this time many developers have experience writing apps with touch control for the iPhone and because this product runs OS X they now have the basics to mod desktop apps for a touch interface.
- The making process of the notebooks was so focused because this will be robust enough to create a device we can use as a tablet, running desktop OS x.
- Have you seen something called the ModBook? Yes, its real.
So, my future "predictions" are: WWDC 09 will be the the jump start for this tablet device as they need developers to mod apps for the touch interface.
A year from now they will introduce the MacTouch as it will be a success for christmas sales.
Macworld 09 will be the lauch of the new MBP 17" and revised MacMini.
Steve, if im right give me a ring!
- They didnt make that glassy screen just because its pretty. They have a reason for this. If you take the bottom part of the MB and MBP you get that screen similar to an iPhone or iPod Touch. The same line of design like a 13" or 15" iphone. Get it? What a nice MacTouch this will be...
- At this time many developers have experience writing apps with touch control for the iPhone and because this product runs OS X they now have the basics to mod desktop apps for a touch interface.
- The making process of the notebooks was so focused because this will be robust enough to create a device we can use as a tablet, running desktop OS x.
- Have you seen something called the ModBook? Yes, its real.
So, my future "predictions" are: WWDC 09 will be the the jump start for this tablet device as they need developers to mod apps for the touch interface.
A year from now they will introduce the MacTouch as it will be a success for christmas sales.
Macworld 09 will be the lauch of the new MBP 17" and revised MacMini.
Steve, if im right give me a ring!
Everyone Glossy
I am one of those that had been considering upgrading and was not happy to see the glossy screens. For months I had also been considering getting a couple of iMacs for my design business, but have been holding out for a non-glossy option on those as well. But after seeing that the laptops are headed in the same glare-friendly direction I don't know what to do.
And then I happened into a big box office supply store today and just happened to look at the laptops as I was walking by. And guess what? They had 9 different laptops from different manufacturers and ALL OF THEM HAD GLOSSY SCREENS! There was not one matte option to be had. So despite the whole obviously untrue makreting of "think different", Apple is just following every other manufacturer on this one. It doesn't make it any better obviously and I am still into a quandry as to what I should do to upgrade. So it appears that our options even on the switching to PC side are dwindling. I guess this is just the current fashion and we will have to wait it out until matte is back "in".
So here are 2-3 computer purchases that will likely not be made this year. Hopefully I can get by on what I have until function-over-looks becomes popular in the industry again. And ironically, I think it was Apple focus on design and others trying to match it that has lead to this "mine's shinier than yours" brinkmanship.
Perhaps when my bathroom mirror breaks I can replace it with an iMac or MacBookPro.
signed,
-Would Be Multiple Mac Purchaser
I am one of those that had been considering upgrading and was not happy to see the glossy screens. For months I had also been considering getting a couple of iMacs for my design business, but have been holding out for a non-glossy option on those as well. But after seeing that the laptops are headed in the same glare-friendly direction I don't know what to do.
And then I happened into a big box office supply store today and just happened to look at the laptops as I was walking by. And guess what? They had 9 different laptops from different manufacturers and ALL OF THEM HAD GLOSSY SCREENS! There was not one matte option to be had. So despite the whole obviously untrue makreting of "think different", Apple is just following every other manufacturer on this one. It doesn't make it any better obviously and I am still into a quandry as to what I should do to upgrade. So it appears that our options even on the switching to PC side are dwindling. I guess this is just the current fashion and we will have to wait it out until matte is back "in".
So here are 2-3 computer purchases that will likely not be made this year. Hopefully I can get by on what I have until function-over-looks becomes popular in the industry again. And ironically, I think it was Apple focus on design and others trying to match it that has lead to this "mine's shinier than yours" brinkmanship.
Perhaps when my bathroom mirror breaks I can replace it with an iMac or MacBookPro.
signed,
-Would Be Multiple Mac Purchaser
Woohaaa... I actually do work with FCP, Avid, Quantel eQ, AutoDesk Inferno etc. Actually one better; I own a high end post house and to top it I do testing for Apple Pro Apps. Now go next to the wall and bang your head on it few times so this sinks in. You should never capture on boot drive. If you capture DV or other low data rate format you can connect the deck on internal FW400 port and use external FW card to connect your capture drive. I'm sorry but I have hard time believing you have had anything to do with FCP development. What you just said is complete bull.
Just a quote from FCP manual:
FireWire Disk Drives
Although not recommended for all systems, FireWire disk drives can be effectively used
to capture and edit projects using low data rate video clips, such as those captured
using the DV codec. [...]
Ok everyone. I've read 47 pages of this stuff and have decided to throw in my two cents:
I believe much of this tension/infighting is due to a simple misunderstanding between those "pros" who have been with Apple for years and the many "switchers" who have frankly saved this company from the dustbin of history. We "pros" (I am a graphic designer and former video editor) are quite thankful that Apple has been able to survive and prosper, consistently offering top form and function with the influx of cash from the new Mac consumer.
Apple adopted firewire early and I own a small fortune of firewire enabled storage and camera equipment going back 10 years. There has been a remarkably consistent continuity over the years to maintain the compatibility of said gear. The issue of matte/glossy for color work has nothing to do with glare and everything to do with color fidelity. As always, there will be color gamut disparities between any monitor and printed output, but matte is significantly closer. Glare needs to be taken out of the reaction to the "pro" argument.
Macintosh has cultivated this small following (we were the 3% faithful who kept them afloat in the troubled years) and needs to pay some respect by maintaining the options which we depend upon for our livelihood.
More to the point, I believe the pros are having this so-called "14 year-old reaction" because we have been with Apple so long we can recognize certain trends, which if they are not loudly reacted upon, will continue towards a dubious situation. The Jobs business model, to those who have been Mac users for years, is one of incremental upgrades for maximum profits and the planned obsolescence of hardware. Along this path, functionality sometimes takes a backseat to form. Take for example the ADC video connector or the recessed headphone jack on the iPhone. These missteps are corrected after incessant criticism in the community.
The diatribe you are hearing from Mr. Trent and others is not a whine that they can't buy the newest MBP because of these issues, but instead a yell that sounds the alarm that glossy is here to stay (look at the new cinema display) and firewire is actually on the way out on the platform. The MBP line and cinema displays are clearly being consumerized. At this point, it seems as if pro functions on the Mac laptop platform are not unlike civil liberties in the USA: if they are not carefully guarded, they might be taken away, and it is much harder to get them back once they are gone.
I am quite sure Mr. Trent can afford to wait for the next revision, but without a sober reevaluation in priorities for the pro line, things might get worse. I fear that Steve Jobs, in catering to the consumer end, will leave the future professional building sand castles at high tide.
Very eloquently, and aptly put. That about sums up where my head is at as well, and no doubt many others.
If the average MacBook Pro costs around $2400 after tax and upgrades (not including applecare!), and if everyone that's signed the petitions so far represents one purchase, then we're at $295,200 worth of laptops that need matte screens thus far. That's traffic from only this thread, on this forum, for the most part, and under 24 hours. It'll be interesting to see if this continues to grow... if it gets bigger, maybe one of the tech media sites will pick it up in an editorial capacity and lend some grunt to the push to get apple to sort this out.
ok just seen an actual macbook pro in an apple store london today.
regarding the screen there seem to be an improvement in glare compared to previous macbooks with glossy screens. there is no need to tilt the screen up and down to view some stuff.
on bright colours you dont notice the glare however when you look at the dark stuff you see yourself! no joke, you could easily shave or comb your hair.
i still cant judge properly cos in the apple store there are plenty spotlight indeed.
i got a vaio 4 years ago and honestly its glossy screen never ever bothered me.
so i decided to take my laptop down to the apple store to compare glare!
but you know what? i am gonna buy it anyway... gggrrrrr glossy mossy i hate you
regarding the screen there seem to be an improvement in glare compared to previous macbooks with glossy screens. there is no need to tilt the screen up and down to view some stuff.
on bright colours you dont notice the glare however when you look at the dark stuff you see yourself! no joke, you could easily shave or comb your hair.
i still cant judge properly cos in the apple store there are plenty spotlight indeed.
i got a vaio 4 years ago and honestly its glossy screen never ever bothered me.
so i decided to take my laptop down to the apple store to compare glare!
but you know what? i am gonna buy it anyway... gggrrrrr glossy mossy i hate you
This is imo the best post of the thread.. as said before I went ahead and bought on (this is my first mac) allthough i am a photographer i still need a new laptop now as my old pc is so damn near dead its scary... i am not too botherd about the screen as i played around with one in the mac store and was not too disturbed by the relfections as my current display is glossy as well.
However I am worried about the cinema displays atm i dont have the money to buy a cinema displat however i will try and get one by january as i have a good monitor for editing atm but that is also on its way out and i was really surprised by the quality of the cinema displays the colour reproduction was really nice and i like the size (23 inch)
I guess i am alone with this view but then again most of the time i only shoot thetherd when in a studio when i normally take a display with me and astro photography which is not too important for colours as that can be done when home as it is only to check exposure and detail.
I do think it is a step in the wrong direction and I do not agree at all with what apple is doing and I wish i could have chosen matte but I need the laptop now and that did not leave me with much choice. I really hope I do not regret my decision...
I did have an antiglare coating on my screen for a while but obviously that really does not do much for colour fidelity at all but it did help when i had to work outside for a few months and I will get one for my mac just in case
its still a shame.
chris
Is there a way to sign the petition with out paying? thanks for trying to stick it to apple and tell them they need to catch up with other makers in performance/bring back matte. I am not sure if i would have a preference for matte versus glossy, i do like a sharp image, but it would also be nice for apple to listen to all these users who they are loosing sales from. I am looking at apple because i am thinking about getting into recording...possibly drums. If they do not start making their products more comparable they will be losing my money.
sorry about double posting but apples do have very fast processors for their price that is one good thing about them...and check out this set up i just customized
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yea good idea on comparing previous macbooks to it... wouldnt think it would be any worse..