Apple Announces OS X El Capitan With Split View, Contextual Spotlight, Updated Apps and More, Launches in Fall

[c0ppo]

"Opera is basically Chrome" and then "I use Vivaldi". I'm assuming you don't see the irony there.

Nope, gotta admit that I can't see the irony here. Perhaps you would do me a favor and help me out here? Thanks in advance.

I like Safari because I can tap and zoom and move back and forth between pages with touchpad .. in FF it is not either possible or it's badly executed. Chrome I just avoid - because of Google collecting way too much information.

I agree. But the bad part is that Safari doesn't remember that zoom level, so every time i visit the same site I have to zoom in/out again. Idiotic.

I don't get what you are refering to. If I want to zoom the page I just move my two fingers across the Trackpad. This is ajustable unlike the smart zoom feature where you double tap the Trackpad. Does Vivaldi has a differente zoom feature?

CMD+ is what every browser has. Even Safari. Default keyboard shortcut on mac. Works like a charm on every browser. But only thing that is different is that chrome/vivaldi/ff/opera/yandex/maxthon/etc. remember my zoom level. Lets say I want to zoom in twice on macrumors and make it more readable.

Everything is the same in every browser. But when I revisit macrumors or open a new tab/window, I have to double zoom again in Safari. All other browsers are smart enough to remember my zoom level. Except safari.

 

[Michael Goff]

Nope, gotta admit that I can't see the irony here. Perhaps you would do me a favor and help me out here? Thanks in advance.



I agree. But the bad part is that Safari doesn't remember that zoom level, so every time i visit the same site I have to zoom in/out again. Idiotic.



CMD+ is what every browser has. Even Safari. Default keyboard shortcut on mac. Works like a charm on every browser. But only thing that is different is that chrome/vivaldi/ff/opera/yandex/maxthon/etc. remember my zoom level. Lets say I want to zoom in twice on macrumors and make it more readable.

Everything is the same in every browser. But when I revisit macrumors or open a new tab/window, I have to double zoom again in Safari. All other browsers are smart enough to remember my zoom level. Except safari.

Vivaldi uses the same rendering engine as any other Chromium derivative, which is Blink. Both Opera an Vivaldi are trying to throw features on top of Blink. If one is "basically Chrome", the other is as well.

 

[wwinter86]

Does the Twitter pin icon work for anyone else? I have Facebook and Twitter pinned in Safari 8.1 and the FB pin has an icon, but Twitter does not.

 

[Lankyman]

Oh right. I’m not being funny but genuinely I’m wondering what you mean by those three;

1. Clunky.
2. Ill thought out.
3. Slow to die sudden.

If you're a regular Chrome or FF user then you wouldn't need to even ask the question.

 

[SlCKB0Y]

As much as I love new software, it seems like these days apple is more concentrated on making OS X feel like iOS and leaving power users behind.

As long as OS X has a terminal and X11 i'm not sure how valid this argument is as these two things are as "UNIXy" and powerful as you can be.

 

[SlCKB0Y]

If you're a regular Chrome or FF user then you wouldn't need to even ask the question.

I use Chrome regularly and I have absolutely no idea what you mean when you describe safari as "Clunky", "Ill thought out" and "Slow to die sudden".

I think with the first two you have confused these little things in your own head called "opinions" with general facts which I should know.

With the third one, well... i'm not even sure the English language knows what you are talking about there.

 

[Lankyman]

I don't see these issues on my machine... I haven't tried out the new Chrome update that is supposed to help battery life, but I use Safari mostly because Chrome killed my battery.

It may work better for those wedded to trackpads - no trackpad on iMac and I can't stand the add on trackpad nor do I like MM. If therefore the consumer users a 'properly designed mouse' Safari isn't for them. It is I accept a browser designed for MM or Mac trackpads in mind and works much better with those peripherals.

 

[SlCKB0Y]

Nope, gotta admit that I can't see the irony here. Perhaps you would do me a favor and help me out here? Thanks in advance.

He means that it is silly to switch from Opera because it started using the Blink engine (and therefore became too Chrome-like) and start using Vivaldi, which uses the Blink engine (and is therefore very Chrome-like)

 

[cinealta]

Predicting OSX 10.12 will be named either:

1) OSX "Tuolumne Meadows"
2) OSX "Hetch Hetchy Valley"
3) OSX "Curry Village"
4) OSX "Awanee Hotel"
5) OSX "El Portal"
6) OSX "Tioga Pass"

 

[Zarniwoop]

Predicting OSX 10.12 will be named either:

1) OSX "Tuolumne Meadows"
2) OSX "Hetch Hetchy Valley"
3) OSX "Curry Village"
4) OSX "Awanee Hotel"
5) OSX "El Portal"
6) OSX "Tioga Pass"

OS X Disneyland

 

[SlCKB0Y]

I haven't seen MacRumors bitch about a name yet. Not sure what you are talking about???

They are using the name "Macrumors" to collectively refer to this community, not the website, but you already know this.

 

[SarcasticJoe]

That's a user point of view. But I'm a developer. So, from my point of view, an API that gets cornered into compatibility/support status is a dead API, because in the mid-term you won't be able to use it for accessing the latest hardware features. In that context, what Apple is saying today is that OpenGL and OpenCL are dead (in other words, if some future GPU supports any new feature, you can expect it implemented in Metal, not in OpenGL nor OpenCL).

A very disappointing bit about this are the users who purchased a new Mac Pro. An expensive machine, theoretically optimized for OpenCL, with expensive dual GPUs, whose degree of support under Metal is still uncertain. I'm glad I decided to wait for later generations of the Mac Pro, when the new strategies from Apple get clearer.

Regarding Vulkan, it's still unborn, just preliminary implementations, but we see Microsoft pushing for DX, and now Apple pushing for Metal. Who's going to push for Vulkan? And it didn't arrive to a public status yet.

I've read very good reviews of the internal design of Metal, although didn't use it myself yet. If it's such a good API, maybe a good approach could be to write a compatibility layer from Metal to other OSs APIs (if that's feasible to some level), and write everything in Metal.

Because I develop for Mac, but also for other OSs. I know Apple wants us to target Apple products only, and the new API strategies from Apple clearly show their will, but sorry Apple, we'll still develop for other OSs too (you know, no OS stays forever, and well designed software surpases OSs lifetime).

The thing about OpenGL is that it's not actually going anywhere with Vulkan and it's instead going to keep on developing. With Vulkan you're still writing your shader programs using GLSL (OpenGL Shader Language) and compiling it to something called SPIR-V bytecode which is then translated into machine language at runtime. Incidentally with OpenCL 2.0 it's also going to translate into the same type of bytecode run on the same machine interpreter. They're also talking about making an alternative compiler for HLSL (i.e DirectX shader code) at point down the line.

Vulkan is of course at an earlier stage of development than DirectX12 or Metal, but it's really anything but dead. Not only do you have all major graphics hardware vendors working on drivers (with Metal it's only Apple writing drivers), it's also roughly the same companies working on software support for it, except Vulkan has actually got more software support behind it than Metal. I doubt Metal will ever gain that much traction if Apple decides to go with the flow and implement Vulkan drivers and you'd think they eventually would seeing how they were on the review board that designed the specification for it.

Sure, Apple seems to have decided not to implement or delay implementing it until mature drivers have been built, but it's still on track to release on Linux and Windows this fall. SteamOS is apparently going to ship with it installed by default this fall so if it takes off, it would be a major victory for Vulkan.

So when it comes down to it, Vulkan is more "alive" than Metal and despite being at an earlier stage of development. OpenGL is not going away ether and claiming that Vulkan is going to kill it is like claiming that DirectX12 is going to kill DirectX.

 

[Renzatic]

"Opera is basically Chrome" and then "I use Vivaldi". I'm assuming you don't see the irony there.

Opera is basically Chrome these days, since they switched to Webkit and streamlined it down. Vivaldi picks up where Opera left off.

 

[Michael Goff]

Opera is basically Chrome these days, since they switched to Webkit and streamlined it down. Vivaldi picks up where Opera left off.

How? How is Vivaldi, which updates to bump up the Chromium version, not simply Chrome Plus?

 

[Renzatic]

How? How is Vivaldi, which updates to bump up the Chromium version, not simply Chrome Plus?

I thought Vivaldi was using its own rendering engine. If what you're saying is true, then that just makes it Chrome for nerd chic hipsters.

 

[Michael Goff]

I thought Vivaldi was using its own rendering engine. If what you're saying is true, then that just makes it Chrome for nerd chic hipsters.

Ah, that makes sense.

Nope, they're another Chromium based browser.

 

[Renzatic]

Ah, that makes sense.

Nope, they're another Chromium based browser.

Just looked it up myself. Well, it has all the features of old Opera at least. But man, I think every browser save Firefox and IE/Edge are now using Webkit.

 

[Tech198]

Gotta like that metal ...

 

[Michael Goff]

Just looked it up myself. Well, it has all the features of old Opera at least. But man, I think every browser save Firefox and IE/Edge are now using Webkit.

Pretty much.

 

[c0ppo]

He means that it is silly to switch from Opera because it started using the Blink engine (and therefore became too Chrome-like) and start using Vivaldi, which uses the Blink engine (and is therefore very Chrome-like)

Vivaldi uses the same rendering engine as any other Chromium derivative, which is Blink. Both Opera an Vivaldi are trying to throw features on top of Blink. If one is "basically Chrome", the other is as well.

Vivaldi only uses the engine. Opera, Chrome and Safari aren't customizable at all. Vivaldi is. Vivaldi is only in Tech Preview, but you can customize the hell out of it. And still has much more features implemented then Opera, Chrome and Safari put all together.

So why is that ironic then? I want a browser that I can customize to my own needs. Vivaldi offers just that. Chrome doesn't. Neither does Opera. So why is the engine part then so relevant?

Besides, Blink is just a fork of WebKit. And in Vivaldi case, I can even customize the entire browser by using css, js and html. All of which I'm comfortable using since I was a web developer for more then 10 years.

I think none of you gave Vivaldi a chance. At least a decent chance. And keep in mind, Vivaldi still isn't even beta, it's in tech preview. With Chrome you can't even have a sidebar, not to mention customizing the entire interface, tabs on sides (left or right, even bottom), customize address bar to every possible way, site by site preferences, tab stacking, etc.

Opera is better then Chrome, but still way behind Vivaldi in those matters. But even Vivaldi is way behind Opera 12, but since they are new on the market and they are former Opera12 team, I expect that they will catch up eventually. Opera will never catch up old Opera, since that is not their goal at all.

 

[edgonzalez32]

Yep, because that all that matters. Everything announced today and that's the take away.

I'm ecstatic for the performance boost.

Did I say that's all I took away? I'm very happy for performance increase. Doesn't change the fact that I think it's a dumb name. Sorry I have an opinion about it.

 

[edgonzalez32]

Not any more than your comment ... unless you just don't appreciate our national parks and what they have to offer.

I'm sorry, am I not allowed to have an opinion? I don't like the name. I don't think its a good name for an OS. Jesus people.

 

[Traverse]

Not sure how I feel about the new iTunes logo:

THAT'S TERRIBLE!

I don't usually change icons, but I'll be reverting that one.

 

[HenryDJP]

Windows will actually be way better, for the first time ever, and by a lot.

Really? In what ways will Windows be WAY better?

 

[unplugme71]

They are using the name "Macrumors" to collectively refer to this community, not the website, but you already know this.

Usually I would say the members of MacRumors or MacRumors member's. When I say MacRumors I think of staff. Just like I think Apple as employees not consumers of products of Apple.