Apple Announces Over Two Million iPhone 5 Pre-Orders in First Day of Sales

[damitssam]

Also, all that matters is market share. Of course its gonna be bigger than last year, lots of Iphone 4 users were waiting for the 2 year term to expire.

The smartphone market in itself is also getting bigger, everyone can profit from this... except RIM.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/08/android-marketshare-iphone_n_1756180.html

Will be curious to see at the end of 2012 what the share will be.

Edit: September stats:

http://mashable.com/2012/09/05/android-52-percent/

 

[BruceEBonus]

Sorry, you are making Apple responsable for not making the iPhone5 compatable with a non existing network? By the time O2 or anybody else got up and running,iPhone6 will be there.
If LTE is so important, why are you with a network, that is not providing it? Regardless of the handset, NO phone can get you LTE on O2.

You have a good point there its not THAT important .. but in a way - even if I dont want it .. a potential O2 buyer or Vodafone buyer might .. or dammit .. I might change my mind in the future and WANT 4G .. but I know in advance this is an obsolete model before I even shove me order in ... its the principle of the thing .. anyway .. leave me for twelve months .. for the next 'un ...

I bought my iPhone 4 direct from Apple and have a great O2 deal .. its twenty quid a month sim only with unlimited 3G and media messages .. ridiculous deal which theyll never do again .. but .. for that reason I cannot come off O2 ... and to pay full whack for an item that really wont provide all its features is too much for one Scotsman to take .. but yes ... you clearly do understand the UK situation .. as you say by the time O2 get their arses in gear then the iPhone 6 will be out by which time I'll be whingeing about summat else!

 

[Flux.Capacitor]

Then it means that a majority of handsets were pre-ordered in the first hour, with the other 23 hours seeing much lower pre-orders.

Doesn't seem too logical to me, but Apple has the raw data, we don't.

Depends how creative you think that wording is. lets say 500K get delivered on the 21st, 300K on the 25th, 300K on the 28th and the rest get spread out over the first week of Oct... "technically" the majority still will get delivered on the 21st.

 

[kdarling]

Yes, but is there an app that creates panorama in a way Apple does? As opposed to stitching big pictures together, Apple is processing segments of the photo and creating the panorama right there as the photo is being taken. Kind of like taking a still video I guess.

Yes, Android has had panorama built into 4.x for almost the past year. Probably other phones had it long before that.

Galaxy Nexus Panorama example - Nov 2011

The iPhone users in our family will be glad to get this feature. The Android side had been using it a lot when taking large gathering photos and picnic shots.

Apple's no different than any other company: they're going to look at what features users find most attractive on other phones, and implement them as well.

 

[jlc1978]

Yes they are...

But here's the unemployment rate if you want to see that too:
We are at a record low since the end of the recession in 2009.

While I agree with you on the overall shape of the economy; unemployment is really not that good of an indicator because of the way it is calculated. It only includes those actively looking for work; which means as people get discouraged they stop looking lower unemployment numbers conversely as the outlook brightens they return and make it look worse.

Of course, that never stopped any politician from using the numbers to support their position.

God how I love the dismal science.

No I just need to decide - order online or wait in line...

 

[BaldiMac]

There were plenty of extra launch countries though. 100% year on year is impressive, but it's what they have had for a couple of years now, so it's not surprising. They have done so through a series of measure of course (more launch countries, more carriers, plain smartphone segment growth).

Again, impressive but not surprising. The question is how do they keep this up going forward.

Again, you're massaging the numbers to fit your point. Last year, first day preorders grew 67%. This year they grew 100%. That's not the same. That's a significant increase.

 

[KPOM]

Then it means that a majority of handsets were pre-ordered in the first hour, with the other 23 hours seeing much lower pre-orders.

Doesn't seem too logical to me, but Apple has the raw data, we don't.

Or the actual sellout didn't occur until later. Remember that some people initially were quoted 9/28 or later, but got e-mails updating their delivery date to 9/21. Also, it was only Apple.com orders that were pushed back after an hour. We don't have the details as to how many units were allocated to each carrier in each country.

Once 9/21/12 delivery was no longer quoted, I would expect some drop-off in pre-sale activity.

 

[KnightWRX]

strange, i didnt see the comment you were replying to advocate his opinion as the rules of the forum. can you quote that bit for us? thanks.

what i did see, was a comment alluding to the neurotic behavior of so-called haters -- those who gravitate to a special-interest website, largely populated by enthusiasts supportive of said special interest, and trash it. thats a neurosis. itd be like going to a Good Parenting forum and trashing breeders and kids. or a Star Wars site and slamming it. thats crazy. and im sure people do it. but it's still crazy.

That's the thing, you're both mistaken. There is no "haters". Some people just don't agree with everything Apple does. One guy stating a "negative" opinion of one facet of Apple does not make him a Fandroid or Samsung-ite. Heck, owning a Samsung or Android product does not disqualify anyone from coming to MacRumors.

That's what I mean by mistaking your opinion (that is, thinking we're all Apple enthusiasts or supporters) for forum rules. There are no rules that stops casual Apple users from coming here. Those users might not agree with everything Apple stands for or does. They might also own products from other vendors. You know they don't check your list of gadgets at the Apple store before selling you their trinkets right ?

 

[clibinarius]

Just a few innovations that we know of;
- A chip that is designed specifically for running iOS. Runs faster than 4core, double the ram, higher speed chips.
- Most possibly higher LTE speeds vs other phones in the market (yet to be tested).
- In-cell touch panel, that will reduce energy use.
- Integrated body style that uses the back plate as the skeleton.
- A new way to take panaroma pictures rather than stitching up several pictures.

I do not understand how these are not innovation.

Actually, its an operating system custom designed to use a chip, not the other way around.

Doesn't run faster than four core, double ram, actually, as been shown in other tests.

An in-cell touch panel is pointless with an OLED screen, which would further reduce energy use...(But OLEDs have other problems that make an LCD more attractive to me)

Integrated bodies...uh, what? I don't think that's a big deal...it looks good, though.

Oh panorama photos. Yay. Useful?

Again, no real innovation here aside from maybe the panorama. Its thinner! Its faster! Its so fast, its fictionally faster than other chips based on a cherry picked statistic!

Its a phone with a chip. You're ignoring what I, and the critics of the thing, are saying: THERE IS NOTHING NEW TO SEE HERE. Its thinner. Its built tougher. It (supposedly, like my iPhone 4S) gets better battery life. In other words, its a gigantic spec bump. Yeah, its nice, and I'm replacing my 4S with it for various reasons, but at the end of the day, its just a spec bump with nothing new aside from Panorama, which will only be used by geeks, who iOS users rant about anyway. My iPhone had Turn by Turn instructions before iOS 6. Its called an app.

SIII is a quad-core and has 2GB of RAM. iPhone 5 is dual-core with 1GB of RAM, yet they are not far off in performance. Android phones need more horsepower because everything on it is less efficient.

But, but, but, but it has 2X RAM!

Citing cherry picked statistics again doesn't do you a favor. Its not clear why Apple would only use 1GB ram aside from the fact it could. With the way the internet is developing...this will give the device a three year life. 256KB just doesn't cut it anymore, and subsequently, I question how much life the original ipad and ipod touch from 2010 still have left.

 

[doelcm82]

making something faster, doesn't necessarily mean innovative

(please don't take this as me taking anything away from the iphone5, it's a good phone, in line with the top end phones from everyone else. But Innovative? is it bringing something truly new to the table? Some feature? item? design queue or element unseen or unrecognized?. No,it is not)

Great phone. Great product. But the term Innovative is getting smacked around like a wet towel in a locker room.

Innovative is both more and less than people think.

The speed is not innovative.

The A6 chip is innovative.

The speed is the result of the innovation.

Innovation doesn't mean different in every conceivable way. It means made new, or changed from something that already exists.

The iPhone 5 is chock full of innovation. But as a marketing term, "innovation" means about as much as "magical", because the competitors' products are also full of innovation.

 

[KnightWRX]

Once 9/21/12 delivery was no longer quoted, I would expect some drop-off in pre-sale activity.

Some, but the majority of activity ? Still seems weird to me. But again, they have the data. Anyway, we'll never know, it's not like they need to release the actual numbers broken down for easy analysis to the public. And it's not like it really matters. I told you the numbers would be big.

 

[Flux.Capacitor]

Of course Apple does not check your list of gadgets at the door, and everyone on this site is entitled to their opinion. but don't you think it's going to rub some people the wrong way going to an iPhone thread to add nothing but negative comments? If you are a Mac user, then why walk into an Apple store, go directly to the AppleTV section only to tell the people shopping at that section what a piece of garbage AppleTV is or how yours is better, or how Apple is misleading you into thinking that X number of people are buying AppleTV?

 

[uknowimright]

any word on numbers from Verizon or Sprint?

 

[lordofthereef]

Nope, evidence of innovation is the new processor. Apple did something original there.

That's fine. Notice I am not saying there was no innovation. I am simply pointing out to those people who sarcastically say "oh but Apple innovated nothing" and then point to sales numbers. Sales are great. They are not evidence Of Innovation. I stand by that.

What you said, while true, had little do do with my original statement.

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That's the thing, you're both mistaken. There is no "haters". Some people just don't agree with everything Apple does. One guy stating a "negative" opinion of one facet of Apple does not make him a Fandroid or Samsung-ite. Heck, owning a Samsung or Android product does not disqualify anyone from coming to MacRumors.

That's what I mean by mistaking your opinion (that is, thinking we're all Apple enthusiasts or supporters) for forum rules. There are no rules that stops casual Apple users from coming here. Those users might not agree with everything Apple stands for or does. They might also own products from other vendors. You know they don't check your list of gadgets at the Apple store before selling you their trinkets right ?

Congratulations. This guy really gets it. I tip my hat to you sir!

 

[\-V-/]

Now we know why Apple could care less about an iMac update. Show me the money!

Every time someone "could care less", an angel ignites into a fiery ball of death.

 

[danipersing]

i'm surprised...

at&T (and maybe other carriers) are not allowing an early upgrade so I would have thought the early uptake would be much slower than past phones.

- so are orders from people with older phones?
- or are people actually paying the non-subsidized fee?

Yes to both....
I have a 4 and held off on the 4S
My husband has a 4S and couldn't wait until May...

 

[kiwiboi87]

Ha love this,
for so long in the build up to the keynote so many people were saying they hated the leak form factor, that they think its ugly, they wont buy it etc
and then once the keynote happened, people were even more disappointed.
some people were telling lies, lol

 

[KnightWRX]

Ha love this,
for so long in the build up to the keynote so many people were saying they hated the leak form factor, that they think its ugly, they wont buy it etc
and then once the keynote happened, people were even more disappointed.
some people were telling lies, lol

Vocal. Minority.

With emphasis on that second word.

 

[JayLenochiniMac]

That's fine... but why talk about them here. As mentioned before, childish and stupid.

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Why talk about them at all?

You're funny. So fandroids can make childish and stupid comments here but we can't make comments such as where did they go when faced with reality because doing so is childish and stupid.

 

[Not Bill Gates]

Iphone 10?

 

[JayLenochiniMac]

What reality? That apple like android sells a lot of phones? Doubt there is any android fan that delusional he actually tought the iphone wouldnt sell like before.

Not just android fans. There were even iPhone 4S users who were delusional enough to think the iPhone 5 wouldn't sell very well and at&t would cave in to give them that free upgrade after 12 months.

 

[Geckotek]

That's the thing, you're both mistaken. There is no "haters". Some people just don't agree with everything Apple does. One guy stating a "negative" opinion of one facet of Apple does not make him a Fandroid or Samsung-ite. Heck, owning a Samsung or Android product does not disqualify anyone from coming to MacRumors.

That's what I mean by mistaking your opinion (that is, thinking we're all Apple enthusiasts or supporters) for forum rules. There are no rules that stops casual Apple users from coming here. Those users might not agree with everything Apple stands for or does. They might also own products from other vendors. You know they don't check your list of gadgets at the Apple store before selling you their trinkets right ?

I completely agree with this, but I think you're ignoring a small portion of people that are causing a huge part of the problem. There is a faction of people, call them fandroids, Apple haters, whatever you like, that come in here and specifically stir up trouble. Their main focus is not to honestly criticize, but to just consistently stir things up to get a response from the forum. We have the same on the Apple side as well, but....this is an Apple forum so I don't see as much of an issue with that.

Either way, people left in the middle (like myself) end up caught up in the arguments becuase we feel the need to reply (even though we should probably ignore).

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That's fine. Notice I am not saying there was no innovation. I am simply pointing out to those people who sarcastically say "oh but Apple innovated nothing" and then point to sales numbers. Sales are great. They are not evidence Of Innovation. I stand by that.

What you said, while true, had little do do with my original statement.

I agree with your original statement, I just felt compelled to make my clarification due to so many that have stated that Apple no longer innovates. Sorry if I incorrectly implied you felt that way.

 

[LordVic]

I completely agree with this, but I think you're ignoring a small portion of people that are causing a huge part of the problem. There is a faction of people, call them fandroids, Apple haters, whatever you like, that come in here and specifically stir up trouble. Their main focus is not to honestly criticize, but to just consistently stir things up to get a response from the forum. We have the same on the Apple side as well, but....this is an Apple forum so I don't see as much of an issue with that.

Either way, people left in the middle (like myself) end up caught up in the arguments becuase we feel the need to reply (even though we should probably ignore).


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I agree with your original statement, I just felt compelled to make my clarification due to so many that have stated that Apple no longer innovates. Sorry if I incorrectly implied you felt that way.

this is the biggest problem for many of us who are more interested in the market and care about it all and aren't fanboys.

I make a comment "that item isn't what i'd call innovative", sudenly it's me saying the phone is completely devoid of any innovation and i'm some anti-apple hater.

the problem is also reversed. Apple Fanboys who absolutely refuse any criticism, even when facts are there.


Criticism of something doesn't imply hatred, nor allegiance. I criticise out of study. Not emotion.

it sucks being a moderate. Nobody likes us

 

[Supermule]

Call it the tyranny of the majority...Apple doesn't radically redesign for the sake of constant novelty. There's always a practical or strategic reason for doing so. Apple evidently determined that they didn't need a total refresh this time around, that the top-to-bottom technical improvements and cosmetic refinements would be enough to please the majority of customers, and the sales figures indicate they were right. I'm completely unqualified to make any kind of Apple sales forecasts, but if they're anticipating sales to taper off or decline next year, that's when we'll see the really big overhaul.

I totally agree with you. And thats why they are loosing a costumer like me. Im and economist, and I no all about doing max. calc., but maybe Apple could find a "cooler" way than just to become the worlds biggest company - how fun is it really in the end? They should use their savings to buy more of there own stocks, become more independent of investers, and just give full throttle out on their own tangent - maybe then to a smaller audience.

Today allmost everything in the consumer market is about being bigger or stronger than "the guy next door".

 

[TheAppleGeek]

Daaaaamn.