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I picked up an AEBS on Dec. 28 at my local So now my question to you, faithful macrumors contributors: preorder a Time Capsule or keep the AEBS and hope for a firmware update?
you are kidding right?

so, i bought an AEBS based on functionality touted in an Apple pre-release announcement.

if it turns out they've shafted me on that, what on earth makes you think i'm going to automatically stick my hand in my pocket to buy their replacement product, especially only based on another pre-release announcement?

i still have some faith that apple will sort this out in the next month or so, around the release of Time Capsule (essentially it's the same functionality so if Time Capsule is a couple of weeks away from availability it stands to reason that the final fix to the AEBS would be). if they don't though the last thing i'll be doing is queuing up to give them more of my cash.

how do i - the owner of an iPod touch and an AEBS - feel this morning? to quote the west wing, "like i got screwed with my pants on."

the iPod touch upgrade i'll grudgingly take (and indeed have already purchased), it does at least do something the touch was never touted to do when i bought it. the AEBS on the other hand is just about making good on their promises, or at least should be.
 
Everyone seems to be glazing over the fine print at the bottom.

Via http://web.archive.org/web/20070710....com/macosx/leopard/features/timemachine.html

This is why many of us bought Airport Extreme Base Stations, and this is why many of us bought Leopard.

Rumors?? Are you kiddin me??:mad: That was on Apple site!!! They say its supported, and AirDisk is suppose to work. Call me cheap but I spent 170 for AEBS and 250 for HD and I expect it to work as advertised

Thanks for proving my point with evidence. The cached page clearly reads: "All features referenced in the Mac OS X Leopard website are subject to change."

As Val-kyrie pointed out before me but I am going to reiterate, having just read the thread from start to finish, the original Apple page describing the feature had a disclaimer on it saying features were subject to change. A few things went missing after all, like the hologram iChat effect.

All features referenced in the Mac OS X Leopard website are subject to change.

Now whether or not Apple suddenly saw the potential to introduce Time Capsule then and changed the specification because of that we'll never know. But the fact remains that they saw there were issues in developer testing and they withdrew the feature as they were perfectly entitled to do because they knew it wasn't working properly.

You can whine and moan about it all you like, the feature was subject to change and did change.

Moving on, I would hope (because I am in much the same boat as many of you here) that Apple will release a firmware update for existing AEBS(n) owners that addresses some of the issues. They don't need to go so far as to implement support for Time Machine as they need to fix read/write issues users are having. Fixing those issues will have the same effect, allowing you to use Time Machine properly.

In my case I did the Terminal Time Machine "hack" back in November and haven't had any problems with backing up, browsing my files and even restoring files since. Two computers in my house use that method and it's all smooth sailing so far, touch wood.

I greet this new release with some questions, of which most of you probably can't answer as the product isn't shipping yet, so no one knows. But I am going to outline them below anyway, some may be more like views.

Firstly, the storage being internal and probably SATA as oppose to external and through USB. I was told last night this would mean that the transfer rates should be faster as the USB bottleneck is gone. If anyone knows any better I'd love to know, but I do believe that would be true and I'm hoping transfer rates will be much faster than previously (however, note there are no bench marks on the site and Apple really likes giving them normally, so what's the reason behind their disappearance) ?

Still relating to data transfer, the device can operate as just a file server, without connecting you to the internet or joining another existing network if set up properly; so then wouldn't you think data transfer rates over ethernet should be really speedy ? If you think about it, assuming the bottleneck was USB, your going gigabit ethernet from your computer, into the device's gigabit port, and then to the SATA controller which is at 3.0GBps right ? Pretty speedy. I know that's not wireless, but wouldn't that then be one of the faster external drives on the market, as surely you don't need to use it wirelessly ? Think about it anyway.

I think that's all I've got actually, but if something more comes to me I'll be sure to post my views here. Feel free to point out any flaws in my reasoning for the above points. Remember, it's not released yet, so you don't know there wont be firmware updates for exiting AEBS(n)'s and until there are actual benchmarks, no one really knows if this is actually any better than what you can already get.
 
connect usb hub to time capsule?

can you still connect a usb hub to the time capsule and then have a hard drive hang off the hub as well as printer etc...

just like on the AEBS?
 
can you still connect a usb hub to the time capsule and then have a hard drive hang off the hub as well as printer etc...

just like on the AEBS?

if you could then that would get round part of the issue with the built in hard drive. if it gets full you'd just archive off to an attached drive, store that somewhere else and keep using the built in drive for your back ups.
 
if you could then that would get round part of the issue with the built in hard drive. if it gets full you'd just archive off to an attached drive, store that somewhere else and keep using the built in drive for your back ups.

but i dont see why you couldn't? or why apple would not let you connect another HDD to the time capsule?

i mean.. they let you with the AEBS.. and touted that you can stream stuff from it..

my plan is to use the build in 500gb as backup and hang a 300gb drive which has music/films/photos for streaming..

is this not even possible?
 
can you still connect a usb hub to the time capsule and then have a hard drive hang off the hub as well as printer etc...

just like on the AEBS?

but i dont see why you couldn't? or why apple would not let you connect another HDD to the time capsule?

i mean.. they let you with the AEBS.. and touted that you can stream stuff from it..

my plan is to use the build in 500gb as backup and hang a 300gb drive which has music/films/photos for streaming..

is this not even possible?

You can, go here and scroll down till you see "USB port" on the left. Both the AEBS and Time Capsule allow you to plug in printers and external storage devices to the USB port.
 
but i dont see why you couldn't? or why apple would not let you connect another HDD to the time capsule?

i mean.. they let you with the AEBS.. and touted that you can stream stuff from it..

my plan is to use the build in 500gb as backup and hang a 300gb drive which has music/films/photos for streaming..

is this not even possible?

it should be. it has a USB port on it and the image showing it says "USB port for printer or hard drive".

you'll need to wait for release to know 100% but it would seem very very unlikely that it wouldn't support a separate attached hard drive as well as the built in one.

incidentally, i wonder if the printer support is still as abismal as it is for the AEBS?
 
Time Capsule looks very interesting. I'm all over it if....

*I can swap out the HDD if it dies out of warranty

*I can use some of it (say 300GB) for TM backup and the remainder as a wireless video & music drive with my iTunes library on it.

I guess I won't know the answer until people play with it once it ships but I wait with interest
 
Time Capsule looks very interesting. I'm all over it if....

*I can swap out the HDD if it dies out of warranty

You can open the current AEBS with a little bit of difficulty so I don't imagine it'll be super-hard, however it wont be a simple procedure either. Within a week of shipping someone will have it open.

*I can use some of it (say 300GB) for TM backup and the remainder as a wireless video & music drive with my iTunes library on it.

It says you can use it for sharing files on windows or mac, so you should be able to. As you should know, Time Machine backups don't hog all the space, they just create a folder and sparse image (dmg) that gradually gets bigger as time goes on.

Just remember that backing up your music and photos to the same drive your storing them on is absolutely pointless :p
 
You can open the current AEBS with a little bit of difficulty so I don't imagine it'll be super-hard, however it wont be a simple procedure either. Within a week of shipping someone will have it open.



It says you can use it for sharing files on windows or mac, so you should be able to. As you should know, Time Machine backups don't hog all the space, they just create a folder and sparse image (dmg) that gradually gets bigger as time goes on.

Just remember that backing up your music and photos to the same drive your storing them on is absolutely pointless :p

Thanks for the info. Not worried if HDD replacement is tough as long as it's possible!

I get the idea of backing up on the same drive - not the intention! I'd back up my mac on it and the media wouldn't be backed up (as yet). I just wonder if you can restrict the max size of the TM backup on the capsule so plenty of spare space is left for an increasing media collection.
 
I don't get it. It's not RAID, but a single drive (especially the 1Tb version) so backing up on a single drive is pointless.
 
Keeping data safe in case of theft is a big concern of mine as well. I am leaning towards this product however. I just hope that Apple fixes the TM network "glitch" before I get an external.

Be sure to look at other items too (these for example).

The 0 TB Drobo is $700 with NAS. For that price you can find quite a few other NAS systems with 1 TB of storage.

The Netgear ReadyNAS systems are also nice.


Just remember that backing up your music and photos to the same drive your storing them on is absolutely pointless :p

Not at all pointless.

A same drive backup will protect you from accidental deletions or overwriting ("Ooops, I opened the original copy of the photograph and changed it."). Restoring because of a human error is probably more common that restoring from a failed disk.

A same drive backup will protect from single block errors on the disk. These do happen occasionally, even on a good disk. (Open up the S.M.A.R.T. data on a drive, and look at "Reallocated_Sector_Ct" - it's often non-zero.)
 
I just wonder if you can restrict the max size of the TM backup on the capsule so plenty of spare space is left for an increasing media collection.

That'd be in Time Machine preferences and as far as I know it wont let you do that. The idea is it keeps going till you have no space left.

I don't get it. It's not RAID, but a single drive (especially the 1Tb version) so backing up on a single drive is pointless.

But it's convenient and that's what the consumer needs right now, educate them on more advanced backup techniques after they're comfortable with basic backups.

defaults write com.apple.systempreferences TMShowUnsupportedNetworkVolumes 1

That's the one I used :)
 
You can, go here and scroll down till you see "USB port" on the left. Both the AEBS and Time Capsule allow you to plug in printers and external storage devices to the USB port.

it should be. it has a USB port on it and the image showing it says "USB port for printer or hard drive".

you'll need to wait for release to know 100% but it would seem very very unlikely that it wouldn't support a separate attached hard drive as well as the built in one.

Thanks for that guys.. bit of relief as i'd ordered it yesterday and then had an after thought.. lol..

incidentally, i wonder if the printer support is still as abismal as it is for the AEBS?

really? you mean it wont recognise your printer? or network printing just doesn't work?
 
rsync for TimeCapsule?

Question: Does Time Capsule have an rsync-like feature so so, for example, I could have one and my brother on the other side of the country could have one and I would give him access to backup his Time Capsule onto my Time Capsule via internet. Data would be encrypted by his password in transit AND on my Time Capsule.

This would be great! Disaster recovery for us "consumers".
 
I just wonder if you can restrict the max size of the TM backup on the capsule so plenty of spare space is left for an increasing media collection.

What you could do is create a read/write disk image in the capsule. Set it for a specific size for your needs. This way, TM can do its thing and your folder for media collection is untouched.
 
defaults write com.apple.systempreferences TMShowUnsupportedNetworkVolumes 1

I enter this command in the terminal? Have you had any issues with data corruption?

Someone on this thread said that with HFS you don't even know if the data is corrupted until you need it and it's not there. Or something like that.

Any issues?
 
Question: Does Time Capsule have an rsync-like feature so so, for example, I could have one and my brother on the other side of the country could have one and I would give him access to backup his Time Capsule onto my Time Capsule via internet. Data would be encrypted by his password in transit AND on my Time Capsule.

This would be great! Disaster recovery for us "consumers".


What is this rsync you speak of? My brother and I spoke about a feature like this. He and I are .mac members as well. Does it work like ftp or something? I was kinda hoping Leo would have a built in solution like that.
 
Thanks for that guys.. bit of relief as i'd ordered it yesterday and then had an after thought.. lol..



really? you mean it wont recognise your printer? or network printing just doesn't work?

My Gigabit AEBS just refused to maintain the connection to my printer. It'll work for a little while, then die. It does the same with drives. The previous AEBS hosted the printer, ok, but the new one... not so much.
 
What is this rsync you speak of? My brother and I spoke about a feature like this. He and I are .mac members as well. Does it work like ftp or something? I was kinda hoping Leo would have a built in solution like that.

rsync
Yea, this would be way cool. However, Apple would never give us such a feature because 1) They want to pressure us into using the abominable .mac, and 2) they are in bed with the shadow government who wants access to sift through all our data. :mad:
 
Firstly, the storage being internal and probably SATA as oppose to external and through USB. I was told last night this would mean that the transfer rates should be faster as the USB bottleneck is gone. If anyone knows any better I'd love to know, ...
What USB bottleneck? For NAS drives the bottleneck is the network for anything slower than gigabit ethernet:

USB 2.0 40MBps
802.11n 37.5MBps
Ethernet 100 9MBps
Ethernet 1000 125MBps


These are all theoretical speeds; for example, the best I've been able to do over Ethernet 100 to a NAS is about 6MBps.

Both USB and 802.11n are going to be quite a bit slower in practice, but USB is unlikely to be the limiting factor when it is the only device on the USB bus.
 
What USB bottleneck? For NAS drives the bottleneck is the network for anything slower than gigabit ethernet:

USB 2.0 40MBps
802.11n 37.5MBps
Ethernet 100 9MBps
Ethernet 1000 125MBps


These are all theoretical speeds; for example, the best I've been able to do over Ethernet 100 to a NAS is about 6MBps.

Both USB and 802.11n are going to be quite a bit slower in practice, but USB is unlikely to be the limiting factor when it is the only device on the USB bus.
Also consider the effect of the slow processor in the AEBS. It takes a lot to convert NAS to block i/o; this is most likely the bottleneck in this situation. NAS devices seem to range from about 3MB/s up to perhaps 67MB/s average write speed (see the chart at http://www.smallnetbuilder.com/component/option,com_nas/Itemid,190/chart,12/ for an example); in most cases below the i/f speed the limiting factor is the cpu. From reports that I have seen the AEBS/Airdisk combo is in the 2-4MB/s range, well below any i/f limitations. Using a faster i/f does not help if the conversion speed is slower than the i/f speed.
 
Personally I think this is the star of the show, a wireless base station with a 1tb network drive that will stream to Apple TV. Marvellous....

And it also does back ups apparently.

:D

i don't think this will stream any media to an Apple TV.

Apple Website said:
Time Capsule works flawlessly with Apple TV, iPhone, iPod touch, and all your other Wi-Fi devices that use the 802.11a/b/g and 802.11n draft 2.0 wireless standards.

What they mean by this is that the ATV will be able to join the wireless network created by a Time Capsule. Otherwise, I wonder what exactly it is that an iphone and an ipod touch can so flawlessly do with an external hdd??

Time Machine makes a top-level directory (folder), and then a subdirectory per each mac using it ie:

/Backups.backupdb/system_name1
/Backups.backupdb/system_name2
etc.

So it doesn't partition the drive, I would guess you would be able to add your own folders, ie /MyIHateAppleFolder, /WheresMyNewMacbookProAir, etc :D

that would have been great, if not for the fact that TM backups keeps bloating with the passage of time. So unless I can create a partition and restrict the amount of space that TM is going to occupy then this effectively becomes a 1TB TM device..
 
That's the one I used :)

From your experience does this technique work well? I'm about to try this myself. does browsing back in time work as smoothly as you would expect or atleast with an acceptable amount of lag? Are you able to recover data from it without any problems?

Also, don't know if you've tried this, but at a later time if i unplug the USB drive from the AEBS and hook it up straight to the computer, does TM recognize it as being part of the previous backup and just append to it or will it start backing up from scratch all over again?

Thanks in advance for your answers...
 
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