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I agree to an extent! Just look at what Apple have done to the UK smartphone market. We used to be able to get cool smart phones, for free, on reasonably priced, relatively short contracts. Courtesy of the iPhone, we're now stuck with 18-24 month, expensive contracts, AND we're expected to pay something for the phone too! Yeah, thanks Apple for making everything more expensive for us just so you can maintain your 40% margin. This is the problem with Apple becoming too successful. Other companies try to emulate them, which means we all lose out because we all end up having to pay more for our tech. We should be encouraging the race to the bottom, not fighting it!

The issue now is that given the success of the iPad - and I can picture it now - other companies will be removing features from their tablet devices because they see Apple being successful without them, so they might as well save themselves a few pennies by taking them out. I really hope it doesn't come to that, but we have already witnessed how the success of Apple devices can actually cripple the market rather than advancing it.

Yeah those phones you got for free before the iPhone were awesome.
:rolleyes:
 
Ahhhh the magic of flash when the batteries run out!

Yes, I agree with you 100%. Low power devices that require a battery like the iPhone, iPad, and iPod Touch should not be running these heavy weight plugins like Flash. This has been demonstrated on Android 2.2 (aka Froyo) where it causes significant performance degradation when browsing sites with Flash. Furthermore, Froyo has much faster web page rendering than previous versions of Android.

Now, when Flash becomes a web standard (i.e. W3C and/or WhatWG) that can be part of the browser source core instead of a heavy weight proprietary plugin, then you may see it on low power devices like the iPhone, iPad, and other devices where battery life is important.
 
You'll get complete Freedom: An Open Source operating system and development kit and a distribution channel without restrictions and censorship. Everybody is welcome to the party and can put the software on any sort of device.

Apple has an initial success. They also had one with the Mac and the iPhone. But eventually Windows owned the desktop and Android is going to own the mobile market. Android devices are already out-selling iPhone OS-based gadgets. Two million sold iPads won't make a difference on a global scale.

The game could be completely different if Apple opened their platforms to third parties. But they don't, so eventually they will go back to their niche and leave the lion share of the market to somebody else who is willing to play well with others. This time it's going to be Google.

You are assuming that with mobile phones and mobile computing devices, that the consumer market is going to desire the same things they did in the PC market place: ability to put any software on any device with any hardware combination.

It is very easy to make this the very case against android in these markets. People are operating without a corporate IT net when something goes wrong with those million options. There won't be a similar effect for home PCs where people wanted the same system at home that they had at work driving windows into the home space. Mixing and matching hardware and software on your own for your phone will be a hassle with all the variations that can pop up with screen res, I/O buttons, hardware capabilities, etc. Overloading your phone with a bunch of multi-tasking apps by a zillion vendors with no oversight by anyone for app management or memory management will cause problems when its time to make a phone call and your phone is busy doing other things, or your battery drains too fast.

It is very possible that we are witnessing the peak market share of the android OS on phones right now. As verizon has been running the 2 for 1 sale on the Droid, many people are going to experience the frustrations of its lack of polish and issues described above and word of mouth will spread. When the iPhone comes to Verizon later this year, and Apple releases the iPhone-mini sometime, we will see android become the marginalized system, just like the Zune is against the iPod.

Both cases (for and against Android) are equally plausible. The one case this is not a theory about the future is the success of the iPad today.
 
Good comeback. You win. :rolleyes:



That's my point. Apple has won the first Battle. But who won another famous battle at Pearl Harbor? Yes, I know you'll say it's a bad analogy ;)

Of course, one of the key differences with Pearl Harbor was that there were two sides fighting a war. Here we have Apple releasing a killer next generation product competing against... crickets.
 
Let's face it, Apple does make good quality products, but they sell like hot cakes not because of the product, but because of the hype their marketing campaign managed to create for every product they sold in the past 5 years.
 
Let's face it, Apple does make good quality products, but they sell like hot cakes not because of the product, but because of the hype their marketing campaign managed to create for every product they sold in the past 5 years.

This myth is a dead horse. A good marketing campaign would get you some initial sales. Apple's sustained sales for years and year of the iPod, the iPhone, and looking like the iPad is proof positive of the quality of the products. Not to mention the iPhones 99% positive customer user rating.
 
Mirice said:
No it is an honest complaint that fanboys will dismiss because Jobs told them they didn't need flash. I am doing scuba training and the online portion of the class does not work on the big ipod touch. I am also planning a trip to Hawaii and plenty of those sites use flash and are useless because Jobs won't allow a user to decide what to do with a device.

Guess what. There are apps for that. Most of them FREE!
 
What's getting much more tired than that is this same lame argument that it's just a big iPod Touch. Anyone who has owned both an iPod Touch and an iPad, such as myself, laughs at what complete nonsense that argument is.

I guess Phil Schiller is also a big moron?

It's just a scaled-up iPhone or iPod Touch.

"There's a negative way of saying that," says Schiller, "and a positive. 'Oh, it's just a big iPhone ... boo!' or 'Hey, it's like a big iPhone ... cool!' Luckily, millions of people have those, so there is an instant ease and familiarity when they first encounter the iPad. As for everything else, it's not about the features — it's about the experience. You just have to try it to see what I mean."

Read more: http://www.time.com/time/business/article/0,8599,1976935-1,00.html#ixzz0pY3zwiiZ
 
That's it? I thought we covered that when we said *big* iPod Touch? May be I am starting to get it - the rest is left for people to make up - depending on my creativity to play games with my mind I can either find it revolutionary, magical, Saves-us-from-Flash, less-is-better, or find it to be just another useless shiny gadget.

If I was into some powerful stuff that alters my brain composition I would come out yelling - magical and revolutionary and can even convince myself that for more simplicity I need 4 of them - one for email, one for browser, one for iTunes and one for running an HTML5 site just to convince me Flash is not needed. Never have to think about which window to close, where to click and where the next app icon is.

Left to reality however it's just a shiny big iPod touch - nothing magical or revolutionary about it. That people buy it does not make it any more interesting than a big iPod touch. With enough clever marketing and advertising people will buy anything.
Whatever gets you through the night Princess.
[reading your posts, one can't help but perceive that you're trying way too hard... and the motivation is? (questionable).]


And that is how the apple fan boy works, instead of demanding to be able to view every single website and have the entire internet like apple commercials claim, they will accept and be grateful for what ever Jobs allows them to view on a device.
Forget (read: f**k) Flash.
[the "need" some posters profess to feel for Flash isn't as imperative as the Web's need to be free of it.]


The game could be completely different if Apple opened their platforms to third parties. But they don't, so eventually they will go back to their niche and leave the lion share of the market to somebody else who is willing to play well with others. This time it's going to be Google.

Poor Apple. Poor, poor Apple.
[they may always be limited to a "10%" market-share... but —quite clearly —it's the top 10%. ;) ]
 
For those that say the iPad is nothing more than a big iPod Touch, so what? What's wrong with the iPod Touch? Some of you people sound like the iPod Touch is a useless waste of a portable device. NOT EVEN. GET OVER IT. ;). How can you blame a company for making a much larger version of a very successful product? It obviously was a good idea. Go away haternation.
 
Not at all - I just made my trip plans on Expedia and Amtrak from my iPad...

Tons of local sites use flash rendering the ipad useless. I cant view menues because they have flash. Many sites use flash in their checkout cart so can't make reservations either. I can't view webcams or local beach reports because, one again they are in flash.
 
I did. It's buggy. Likely needs some software updates to make it nice and smooth.

As for apps...I haven't used Windows in about a decade, but I'm PRETTY sure there are some apps available for Windows 7. :rolleyes:

Yeah, you're probably right, what was I thinking, just a few software updates and that lovely Asus eeePad will be able to run AutoCAD and encode video proficiently and run every other app proficiently because it runs Windows 7. :rolleyes:
 
You'll get complete Freedom: An Open Source operating system and development kit and a distribution channel without restrictions and censorship. Everybody is welcome to the party and can put the software on any sort of device.

So why isn't Linux dominant on the desktop? Why didn't all the Linux-based tablets come to rule the market? Why didn't the initial Linux-based phones succeed?

Open Source is not a panacea -- as the market has shown, most consumers are willing to trade ease-of-use, UI polish, and quality software for "Freedom".
 
Yeah, you're probably right, what was I thinking, just a few software updates and that lovely Asus eeePad will be able to run AutoCAD and encode video proficiently because it run Windows 7. :rolleyes:

Did you actually read engadgets article, or just skim it?

There are two versions, a Tegra based 10" and a Intel based 12". Engadget said the windows version was not operational. But with a CULV chip, its going to be much faster than any current netbook.

engadget said:
the EP121 wasn't booting at all, but it was being shown off with a super sleek keyboard docking station

engadget said:
NVIDIA Tegra-powered EP101TC was powering on, but its Windows Embedded Compact 7-based interface was still noticeably buggy, and the touchscreen quite unresponsive

WEC7 aint Windows 7
 
For those that say the iPad is nothing more than a big iPod Touch, so what? What's wrong with the iPod Touch? Some of you people sound like the iPod Touch is a useless waste of a portable device. NOT EVEN. GET OVER IT. ;). How can you blame a company for making a much larger version of a very successful product? It obviously was a good idea. Go away haternation.

+1

I don't own an iPad, but I see why it happens to be succesful.
 
This myth is a dead horse. A good marketing campaign would get you some initial sales. Apple's sustained sales for years and year of the iPod, the iPhone, and looking like the iPad is proof positive of the quality of the products. Not to mention the iPhones 99% positive customer user rating.

Absolutely agree. Almost daily on this very forum someone will say, "I had my doubts about the iPad until I went into the Apple store and tried one out and fell in love with so much I couldn't bare to leave the store without one so I took one home".
 
Tons of local sites use flash rendering the ipad useless. I cant view menues because they have flash. Many sites use flash in their checkout cart so can't make reservations either. I can't view webcams or local beach reports because, one again they are in flash.

You know what? These are the same sites that 6 years ago only worked in IE thanks to crappy non-standard HTML code and Frontpage developers. Guess we should have never migrated to Firefox in droves forcing them to re-write their sites right? I mean they didn't have to accommodate Firefox, it was only 10% market share max. They need to move off of Flash for things that DO NOT NEED Flash. Page layout, navagation, cycling through images... this isn't even HTML5 stuff this is HTML4 and CSS! Complain to the site owners not Apple. They will lose your business or they will adapt.
 
Did you actually read engadgets article, or just skim it?

There are two versions, a Tegra based 10" and a Intel based 12". Engadget said the windows version was not operational. But with a CULV chip, its going to be much faster than any current netbook.





WEC7 aint Windows 7

Well did you skim my posts or did you read everything tied to the post of mine that you quoted? First you just helped by further backing up my argument. The guy I was replying to said that with just a few software updates the eeePad will be ready to hit the streets and stomp on the iPad. According to your post and Engadget's it's not gonna be ready for quite a long time. Also, did I actually say it was running Windows 7? Not really, I was replying to the guy that said it was running Windows 7 and to answer your question, I just skimmed the article, I'm not interested in the eeePC, however I was replying to someone on this forum that made it seem like the eeePC was ready to compete with the iPad and after "skimming" and seeing that it was unstable, unreliable and the touchscreen wasn't ready for primetime that's all I needed to see to post here and make my point. :p
 
So i guess on your iPod touch you had 3G on the go? Without the use of a mifi or Wifi eh?

You could read e-books, Newspapers without having to pinch zoom ?

Uh, yeah. All the time. E-books are zero problem if a large font is selected. So are the newspaper apps or sites formatted for the iPhone. I get that it's a better experience on a large screen, no question, but I think many tend to exaggerate what they can do. My iPhone is the biggest reason I haven't jumped yet.
 
Well did you skim my posts or did you read everything tied to the post of mine that you quoted? First you just helped by further backing up my argument. The guy I was replying to said that with just a few software updates the eeePad will be ready to hit the streets and stomp on the iPad. According to your post and Engadget's it's not gonna be ready for quite a long time. Also, did I actually say it was running Windows 7? Not really, I was replying to the guy that said it was running Windows 7 and to answer your question, I just skimmed the article, I'm not interested in the eeePC, however I was replying to someone on this forum that made it seem like the eeePC was ready to compete with the iPad and after "skimming" and seeing that it was unstable, unreliable and the touchscreen wasn't ready for primetime that's all I needed to see to post here and make my point. :p

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the last post said:
just a few software updates and that lovely Asus eeePad will be able to run AutoCAD and encode video proficiently and run every other app proficiently because it runs Windows 7

replying to the guy talking about a windows7 product said:
You obviously didn't read the Engadget review on the Asus. Buggy, slow and unresponsive. What are people suppose to do just sit around and wait until Asus gets this crap up and running? What about apps to run on it?
 
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