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Apple Apologizes About Mac Pro's Lack of Upgradability, Ensures It's Still Committed to Pros
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There was no great way to do this. They obviously screwed the pooch, and worse, too way to long to acknowledge this to themselves much less their devoted users. It's nice to hear something will eventually ship. Hard to imagine they don't continue losing Pro users with what they'll ship until they have a product. Pre-announcing something that won't ship for a year or so sounds like they have just started conceptualizing what it will be.
I have made so many criticisms and jokes about this it's only fair I keep saying that this announcement makes me very happy. Good on you Apple.
Too little too late. Pro's have moved on. Any professional work place that still uses Mac Pro's or is even considering purchasing it needs to have a sanity check on their management. Why in the world would you pay for outdated over priced hardware? What in the world does a mac pro have that a windows based desktop can't do faster and better with same software or equivalent?
Apple and the professional industry is an abusive relationship. If you choose to stay, you're insane.
"...we've asked the team to go and re-architect and design something great for the future that those Mac Pro customers who want more expandability, more upgradability in the future. It'll meet more of those needs.
Please notice that wording. "More of those needs". So maybe you can only upgrade the RAM. Maybe only update TB components (doh). Really, this does not re-assure me that the new pro Mac will be something comparable to the old tower regarding expandability and upgradeability - and being able to put SSD's etc inside the box as you like. No... this could be anything, burning all compatibility with anything non-Apple. I'd say don't hold your breath, I won't. Fortunately I am am not in a hurry to upgrade so I can wait another year (or 2 perhaps).
Exactly. Nothing Apple says could ever assure me that a purchase of a 3k+ professional device is a sound investment with a future.
They made three assumptions, none of which panned out, but took years to become clear:
1) Software would move from supporting single GPUs to dual GPUs. It has in some areas, but not in most. So that second CPU is an unneeded cost center for both Apple and customers.
2) Intel would improve their processes more than they have (we're supposed to be at 10nm but we have years more of 14nm before they're ready) to allow more powerful CPUs with lower TDPs and power needs.
3) Thunderbolt would have advanced faster than it did (in terms of bandwidth / throughput) to allow external storage and processing to keep pace with internal (or at least not fall well behind).
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That's very appropriate comparison. Innovating, in the wrong direction. Doesn't support what Pros really wanted. Though later on we found out the Cube was just ahead of its time (Mac Mini). Will the "trash can" Pro prove to be the same? No idea.
But I'm glad they're moving to something more modular. If you really want to get the Pros back, you need pro-level specs.
Take them 1202 days to realizing that. Things must be really going at turtle pace at Apple, not a good pace for tech company.
Schiller also apologized about the current Mac Pro's lack of upgradability and expandability, per Daring Fireball:Schiller said Apple chose to be more transparent with today's news because it "cares deeply" about pro users that "invest so much" in the Mac:The overall tone was that Apple is committed to the Mac, even if the iPhone accounts for some two-thirds of Apple's revenue.In the end, the comparatively small but vocal community of pro users was loud enough that Apple likely felt it needed to respond now, rather than keep its plans for new products under wraps until later. It's exciting news for Apple's pro customers, even if some patience is still required until Apple's roadmap materializes.
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BOTH SCHILLER AND FREDERIGHI should be FIRED!!
THEY SAY THEY "CARE DEEPLY" ABOUT THE PRO USERS... That is why they DO NOT listen to users, PUT A MAC PRO THAT LACKS EXPANDABILITY and WAS NOT updated in 1200 days!!!
YOU CAN SEE THE LACK OF CARE ABOUT THE "PRO" USERS in their LATEST MACBOOK (so called) "PRO".
THE WORST DESIGN EVER,
YOU CANNOT CONNECT YOUR OWN iPAD, iPhone
REMOVED all PORTS
CANNOT CONNECT to any USB, HDMI device without ADAPTORS.
A useless strip
Way OVERPRICED
That is the way APPLE cares about their "PRO" Users....
Give me a F&*$ing Brake....
Look at the Surface Pro... common, Microsoft is beating Apple at innovation? That should tell you something.
They keep denying that an iMac with a touchscreen is not ok. They are trying to make excuses so you must buy an iPad pro in order to have a touchscreen to use with your iMac... What a LAME excuse...
Sadly Apple became just a phone company that lacks innovation.
Article Link: Apple Apologizes About Mac Pro's Lack of Upgradability, Ensures It's Still Committed to Pros[/QUOTE]
BOTH SCHILLER AND FREDERIGHI should be FIRED!!
THEY SAY THEY "CARE DEEPLY" ABOUT THE PRO USERS... That is why they DO NOT listen to users, PUT A MAC PRO THAT LACKS EXPANDABILITY and WAS NOT updated in 1200 days!!!
YOU CAN SEE THE LACK OF CARE ABOUT THE "PRO" USERS in their LATEST MACBOOK (so called) "PRO".
THE WORST DESIGN EVER,
YOU CANNOT CONNECT YOUR OWN iPAD, iPhone
REMOVED all PORTS
CANNOT CONNECT to any USB, HDMI device without ADAPTORS.
A useless strip
Way OVERPRICED
That is the way APPLE cares about their "PRO" Users....
Give me a F&*$ing Brake....
Look at the Surface Pro... common, Microsoft is beating Apple at innovation? That should tell you something.
They keep denying that an iMac with a touchscreen is not ok. They are trying to make excuses so you must buy an iPad pro in order to have a touchscreen to use with your iMac... What a LAME excuse...
Sadly Apple became just a phone company that lacks innovation.
I feel like Wrong is all that can be said about Apple's approach to the entire Mac-lineup in recent years.
One thing I would love to see Apple do, but doubt they ever will, is add AMD Ryzen. I'm sure a lot of people will say that'll never happen (and it may not), but people also said that about them switching to Intel.
Years ago Scott Fortstall has been forced out of Apple (so they say) because seems to have refuse to apologies for the quality of the Maps. What should be the destiny of the genius who designed the current MacPro?
At least I hope this time Apple learn something: computer are not just design, but are device that needs to be useful to people.
At least I hope this time Apple learn something: computer are not just design, but are device that needs to be useful to people.
Why not just (re)release a G5 tower in Space Gray and be done with it? They will need the slots for off-the-shelf PCI-e expansion cards anyway.
Apple can go suck it. Hackintosh is the way to go nowadays. All they had to do was think of upgradability from the start.
While this is welcome news, it doesn't let Apple off the hook at all. There is definitely something wrong at Apple that things have gotten to the point where the powers that be took this long to determine that offering three year old tech that very few people even wanted when it first came out at an exorbitant price is a problem.
This is not an agile tech company leading the way, at least in terms of computers. It's a company that continues to make misstep after misstep in terms of computers. "Innovation" was a Mac Pro that, for many people, was a mistake from day one. It was a Mac Mini that gained more soldered parts and lost a quad core option. It's an iMac that for some bizarre reason had to be thinner and less efficient at cooling (with resultant thermal throttling) and it's a new MacBook Pro that is also thinner with a keyboard that has been problematic in terms of failures and a touchbar of questionable value (some like it, but some find it to be pointless).
This is damage control at best. To me the fact this announcement was even necessary highlights that there are a number of problems at Apple internally. Yes, I know the stock is at an all time high. That doesn't mean all is well....
This is not an agile tech company leading the way, at least in terms of computers. It's a company that continues to make misstep after misstep in terms of computers. "Innovation" was a Mac Pro that, for many people, was a mistake from day one. It was a Mac Mini that gained more soldered parts and lost a quad core option. It's an iMac that for some bizarre reason had to be thinner and less efficient at cooling (with resultant thermal throttling) and it's a new MacBook Pro that is also thinner with a keyboard that has been problematic in terms of failures and a touchbar of questionable value (some like it, but some find it to be pointless).
This is damage control at best. To me the fact this announcement was even necessary highlights that there are a number of problems at Apple internally. Yes, I know the stock is at an all time high. That doesn't mean all is well....
I'm glad they took the time to respond to the Pro community; it was much overdue.
However, I'll believe it when I see it.
However, I'll believe it when I see it.
Apple has killed most of its mac product line. For example, I want to upgrade my parents' 2009 mac mini, but the latest model is already outdated. I really don't want to switch them to Windows 10, but that's increasingly starting to look like the only viable option. Even if mac mini gets updated this year, chances are it will be underspecced and overpriced.
Translation: "Our exclusive focus on design destroyed performance and usability."
Hopefully this bodes well for a useful Macbook Pro upgrade this fall too. Still waiting for anything compelling. We've got the low-end macbook, the middlng macbook pro, but are missing the high-end macbook ultra/power user.
I'm not holding my breath for a return of the headphone jack, but maybe we'll get USB-C on the phones.
Maybe this is why the designer left? Apple decided to build functional devices and the design team threw a hissy fit?
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Yep...but really? More than a year from now?
Hopefully this bodes well for a useful Macbook Pro upgrade this fall too. Still waiting for anything compelling. We've got the low-end macbook, the middlng macbook pro, but are missing the high-end macbook ultra/power user.
I'm not holding my breath for a return of the headphone jack, but maybe we'll get USB-C on the phones.
Maybe this is why the designer left? Apple decided to build functional devices and the design team threw a hissy fit?
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Yep...but really? More than a year from now?
I think the trashcan would've mad a fantastic Mac mini.
They feel they needed to respond to Pro users now??
After 4 years of not doing any updates???
They are NOT listening anyways.
Look at the latest MACBOOK PRO design...
Worst design "EVER". I know several Pro users that bought one and return them right away.
Actually it was the first time I heard some Pro users returning an Apple product...
Apple sadly turn into a Phone company...
Too little to late.
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LOL LOVE IT...!
After 4 years of not doing any updates???
They are NOT listening anyways.
Look at the latest MACBOOK PRO design...
Worst design "EVER". I know several Pro users that bought one and return them right away.
Actually it was the first time I heard some Pro users returning an Apple product...
Apple sadly turn into a Phone company...
Too little to late.
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LOL LOVE IT...!