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The only point you have proven is this
Because it’s standard Bluetooth apple is not stopping anyone from connecting to the iPhone but if they want to properly connect with iOS devices then they have no chance because apple then restricts that for their own products thus giving themselves a deliberately advantage over the competition
Hence the DMA
Apple provides integration with IOS for devices makers with the device driver kit. Manufacturers use it to integrate their devices into IOS.
 
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But again how has that helped when it’s only their products that have access to it
So here is the issue
Why have 3rd parties on your platform and then treat them like 2nd class citizens
The manufacturers agreed to the terms and conditions when the entered an agreement with Apple. And by the way did any manufacturers communicate to you directly they were treated as "2nd class citizens" or is that extrapolating a tangent? And by the way is there any specific devices other than batteries and what not that is limited to being used with an Apple product?
 
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There isn't that much of a difference. The seller still has to enter into some sort of agreement.

No, that doesn't happen. This is just made up.

An impartial influential business reporting outlet making some observations about the EU. One could write a letter to the editorial board if they disagree with the assessment rather than telling a fellow poster the outlet is wrong.
Fox News is influential to some?

Big difference between a store like Costco & Walmart than an OS maker
 
The manufacturers agreed to the terms and conditions when the entered an agreement with Apple. And by the way did any manufacturers communicate to you directly they were treated as "2nd class citizens" or is that extrapolating a tangent? And by the way is there any specific devices other than batteries and what not that is limited to being used with an Apple product?
If a company like Bose can’t connect to iOS the same way as AirPods do then they are getting treated like 2nd class citizens in terms of interacting with iOS.
 
If a company like Bose can’t connect to iOS the same way as AirPods do then they are getting treated like 2nd class citizens in terms of interacting with iOS.
They can connect the same way. Bluetooth is a common standard. And many manufacturers, apart from Apple, tweak their hardware to provide specific vertical integration features.

But the DMA goes well beyond Bluetooth and is making Apple open up it's proprietary IP. That is why freeloaders, will get to use what apple has spent time and money on, for free.
 
They can connect the same way. Bluetooth is a common standard. And many manufacturers, apart from Apple, tweak their hardware to provide specific vertical integration features.
Not interns of software integration with iOS
So that means that currently apple are deliberately giving their own products an advantage over the competition by not allowing any company the same access
So that essentially means they are getting treated like 2nd class citizens on the platform in way of software integration by deliberately making it a poorer experience
 
Apple provides integration with IOS for devices makers with the device driver kit. Manufacturers use it to integrate their devices into IOS.
They don’t provide the same access to the OS as there own products because they want to deliberately give themselves an unfair advantage over the competition
Thus essentially means there is fake competition on iOS for certain products
 
Not interns of software integration with iOS
So that means that currently apple are deliberately giving their own products an advantage over the competition by not allowing any company the same access
They have the same access, just have to implement it.
So that essentially means they are getting treated like 2nd class citizens on the platform in way of software integration by deliberately making it a poorer experience
No that's not what it means. Being an third party manufacturer does not mean the right to pillage apples intellectual property. I can't understand this skewed thinking.
 
They have the same access, just have to implement it.

No that's not what it means. Being a third party manufacturer does not mean the right to pillage apples intellectual property. I can't understand this skewed thinking.
how can a 3rd party implement the same software integration if apple wont let them?

Then disable the access for 3rd parties then and don’t allow them on your platform
Then if you don’t want to give better access to the OS
 
how can a 3rd party implement the same software integration if apple wont let them?
So you are advocating anybody that wants to use apples ecosystem get complete and unfettered access to the internals? Not even Microsoft allows that so I think expectations need to be aligned with reality.
Then disable the access for 3rd parties then and don’t allow them on your platform
Nope. That’s not a valid business model. However if consumers really dislike apples business model buy another manufacturer.
Then if you don’t want to give better access to the OS
As I said above expectations don’t align with the commentary. And vote with your $$$.
 
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So you are advocating anybody that wants to use apples ecosystem get complete and unfettered access to the internals? Not even Microsoft allows that so I think expectations need to be aligned with reality.

Nope. That’s not a valid business model. However if consumers really dislike apples business model buy another manufacturer.

As I said above expectations don’t align with the commentary. And vote with your $$$.
No what the EU are saying is don’t create software that allows your products to have a deliberate advantage over the competition
By having the 3rd parties to have a less better experience on the platform

Its a company you buy products from and nothing else that’s it
Its just a company at the end of the day

So essentially go to android then?
 
No what the EU are saying is don’t create software that allows your products to have a deliberate advantage over the competition
That’s not the way business traditionally works. Manufacturers always get the home team advantage for their products.
By having the 3rd parties to have a less better experience on the platform
That’s strictly opinion.
Its a company you buy products from and nothing else that’s it
Its just a company at the end of the day
Correct and the products always reflect the manufacturer’s strengths.
So essentially go to android then?
If that’s what one wants.
 
That’s not the way business traditionally works. Manufacturers always get the home team advantage for their products.

That’s strictly opinion.

Correct and the products always reflect the manufacturer’s strengths.

If that’s what one wants.
Its just a company that sells products and that’s it nothing else if the DMA requires apple to give better access to the operating system then why does it matter.
It’s just a company that I sometimes purchase products from.

If you are not wanting 3rd parties to have access to the OS for better connectivity with your product then don’t allow them on
 
Its just a company that sells products and that’s it nothing else if the DMA requires apple to give better access to the operating system then why does it matter.
It’s just a company that I sometimes purchase products from.
The fact that the DMA allows freeloaders to piggy back on apples tech doesn’t make it a good law. As the wsj notes it’s a cog in the killing of innovation in the eu.
If you are not wanting 3rd parties to have access to the OS for better connectivity with your product then don’t allow them on
You as a vendor has to comply with the rules of the platform or else go elsewhere.
 
The fact that the DMA allows freeloaders to piggy back on apples tech doesn’t make it a good law. As the wsj notes it’s a cog in the killing of innovation in the eu.

You as a vendor has to comply with the rules of the platform or else go elsewhere.
It’s just a company that sells products
That why do you care if Bose for example has better connectivity with iOS when it benefits the user

What rules to headphone makers have to comply with on iOS
 
It’s just a company that sells products
That why do you care if Bose for example has better connectivity with iOS when it benefits the user
What I care are the products perform as advertised. If manufacturers want to include integrated features I say go for it.
What rules to headphone makers have to comply with on iOS
Probably one rule. Make sure the product has compatibility with the standards.
 
What I care are the products perform as advertised. If manufacturers want to include integrated features I say go for it.

Probably one rule. Make sure the product has compatibility with the standards.
it’s just a company that sells products
That’s all if the DMA requires apple to offer
Other products better access to iOS then why does it matter
As it’s just a company that’s all
Nothing more nothing less
Anyone that uses language like the DMA is lipstick on a pig cares a bit to much about a company
 
it’s just a company that sells products
That’s all if the DMA requires apple to offer
The eu has played Robin Hood with the DMA and has legally given apples ip to freeloaders who will make a buck on apples dime.
Other products better access to iOS then why does it matter
Many products have the same access to iOS.
As it’s just a company that’s all
Nothing more nothing less
It’s a consumer oriented for product company that has a vertical ecosystem. The DMA destroyed that.
Anyone that uses language like the DMA is lipstick on a pig cares a bit to much about a company
That’s your opinion. My opinion it made iOS worse due to the hoops the DMA made Apple jump through.
 
The eu has played Robin Hood with the DMA and has legally given apples ip to freeloaders who will make a buck on apples dime.

Many products have the same access to iOS.

It’s a consumer oriented for product company that has a vertical ecosystem. The DMA destroyed that.

That’s your opinion. My opinion it made iOS worse due to the hoops the DMA made Apple jump through.
It’s just a company that sells Products
That’s all
There is no need for people to take it seriously

Who actually cares if a company has to give better access to their OS for better connectivity it’s all one

And so what if the EU has made apple jump through hoops why does it matter why does anyone actually care
 
It’s just a company that sells Products
That’s all
There is no need for people to take it seriously

Who actually cares if a company has to give better access to their OS for better connectivity it’s all one

And so what if the EU has made apple jump through hoops why does it matter why does anyone actually care
Because I think it discourages innovation, which will end up making everyones’ products worse. It’s also, in my opinion, morally wrong to take things from others without good reason.

It’d also be wrong if the EU was giving Apple the IP of other companies without making them pay for it.
 
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Today in "potential Apple DMA violations" we have them using notarization as a form of App Review.

(this is for an App on a 3rd party App Store)

 
Because I think it discourages innovation, which will end up making everyones’ products worse. It’s also, in my opinion, morally wrong to take things from others without good reason.

It’d also be wrong if the EU was giving Apple the IP of other companies without making them pay for it.
How can it make other people products worse when it will improve Bose headphones for example on a connectivity level with iOS

You could flip it the other way and say you need 3rd parties on your platform yet your not prepared to give them access to work better with your OS for the customer
 
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