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I believe in the vaccine too, but just for comparison... what's the death rate of Covid compared to getting in or being around a vehicle. Once you find out, you'll realized we should also ban all forms of motorized transportation.
Last time I checked I can't get sick from driving cars or being around cars. This is the most ridiculous analogy I've heard.
 
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Realistically this ship has already sailed. Only rich 1st world countries will complete vaccination in any time period to meaningfully impact mutation rates...if that were to even happen. We might be better off only giving US citizens one dose and sending the rest to other nations if mutation is your primary concern.
The medical community pushing mass vaccination know it’s a wack-a-mole situation to mass vaccinate for a quickly mutating respiratory virus and guess what RSV type also have similar symptoms get out of the tunnel vision of it’s only SARS-CoV-2 that causes these forms of symptoms and yes influenza also causes pneumonia symptoms. That is how respiratory virus work it’s they nature. It does not matter if you prefer to be injected or not it will eventually fail as has been show but for some reason will be referred as “rare” instances (BS meter very high). It has been shown that natural immunity leads to addressing any future mutation. Source: https://www.science.org/content/art...er-immunity-vaccine-vaccination-remains-vital
 
I seriously think the vax does something to y'all's head. 🙄

For one, it's been proven that vaxxed people can still spread the virus. Your co-worker that you plan on sitting next to that's been double- or triple-poked is just as dangerous as those that haven't been.

Second, there are some that are at risk of serious complications from the vax, such as Guillain-Barré syndrome, hence their refusal to take it. In fact, Pete Parada, the drummer for the Offspring, recently was sacked by the band for his refusal to be vaxxed because of his history of Guillain-Barré. You're telling me that someone should lose their job--and their ability to function in society--because of something like this? That you would rather them risk dying from the vax so you can feel "safe"? That doesn't seem very compassionate of you.
Sure vaxxed people can spread the virus but are less likely to end up in the hospital or spread a version
of the virus that is bad as the unvaccinated person. And yes people that have and underlying condition
that would make the vaccine deadly to them should be allowed to not have the jab.
 
Last time I checked I can't get sick from driving cars or being around cars. This is the most ridiculous analogy I've heard.
The people pushing others to be injected fail to address that in this analogy that a seat belt can be worn or not and if worn it can be undone/unbuckled or in an accident situation cut or slide out off. A medical device can be removed and medical can be stopped and detoxed from however there is no undoing a vaccine once’s it’s injects. One can only address symptoms at that point.
 
Sure vaxxed people can spread the virus but are less likely to end up in the hospital or spread a version
of the virus that is bad as the unvaccinated person. And yes people that have and underlying condition
that would make the vaccine deadly to them should be allowed to not have the jab.
It does not matter if someone is injected or not, if the viral load is the same it needs to reproduce and that reproduction causes mutations and variations. Meaning a fully vaccinated person can be deemed a “super spreader” as well.
 
The people pushing others to be injected fail to address that in this analogy that a seat belt can be worn or not and if worn it can be undone/unbuckled or in an accident situation cut or slide out off. A medical device can be removed and medical can be stopped and detoxed from however there is no undoing a vaccine once’s it’s injects. One can only address symptoms at that point.
How would me, not wearing a seatbelt, endanger others? It only endangers me. Agreed, terrible analogy
 
It's completely relevant. Not getting vaccinated affects others. In many ways. Taking up space in a hospital is just one. This is way bigger than people with diabetes or weight problems...which, is what you keep comparing it to. This is a pandemic.
No its not. The thread I was responding to had a very specific aim....its heartless to deny people medical care because they brought it on themselves. That is it. Thats all I addressed. That moral problem is indepednet of if its tranmissable. Proposing to exclude people who get diseases they shouldn’t is a weird form of inhuman cruelty.

As I said in this format it hard to follow threads so you are the third person trying to explain to me that other disorders are not transmissible. I get it, but its doesnt address the moral issue. We take care of people who go on a shooting spree and get shot and end up at the hospital. Compassion precedes justice in this context.
 
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Every year heart disease kills almost that many. Random pieces of useless information.
And If I could keep from getting heart disease by getting a vaccine I'd do it.
I'm wearing a mask to keep others from getting covid just as much as I wear it for myself.
And speaking of random, covid is random in how it kills, you can be a young person in great
shape and still die. Lastly dying from covid is mostly preventable if you get the vaccine
and wear a mask.
 
A conversation everyone needs to be having...

ME: CDC, should I get the poke if I already had Covid?

CDC: “Yes, you should be poked regardless of whether you already had COVID-19. That’s because experts do not yet know how long you are protected from getting sick again after recovering from COVID-19.”

ME: Oh, okay, we don’t know how long natural immunity lasts. Got it. So, how long does poke-induced immunity last?

CDC: “There is still a lot we are learning about COVID-19 pokes and CDC is constantly reviewing evidence and updating guidance. We don’t know how long protection lasts for those who are poked.”

ME: Okay … but wait a second. I thought you said the reason I need the poke was because we don’t know how long my natural immunity lasts, but it seems like you’re saying we ALSO don’t know how long poke immunity lasts either. So, how exactly is the poke immunity better than my natural immunity?

CDC: …

ME: Uh … alright. But, haven’t there been a bunch of studies suggesting that natural immunity could last for years or decades?

CDC: Yes.

NEWYORKTIMES: “Years, maybe even decades, according to a new study.”

ME: Ah. So natural immunity might last longer than poke immunity?

CDC: Possibly. You never know.

ME: Okay. If I get the poke, does that mean I won’t get sick?

BRITAIN: Nope. We are just now entering a seasonal spike and about half of our infections and hospital admissions are poked people.

ME: CDC, is this true? Are there a lot of people in the U.S. catching Covid after getting the poke?

CDC: We stopped tracking breakthrough cases. We accept voluntary reports of breakthroughs but aren’t out there looking for them.

ME: Does that mean that if someone comes in the hospital with Covid, you don’t track them because they’ve been poked? You only track the UN-poked Covid cases?

CDC: That’s right.

ME: Oh, okay. Hmm. Well, if I can still get sick after I get the poke, how is it helping me?

CDC: We never said you wouldn’t get sick. We said it would reduce your chances of serious illness or death.

ME: Oh, sorry. Alright, exactly how much does it reduce my chance of serious illness or death.

CDC: We don’t know “exactly.”

ME: Oh. Then what’s your best estimate for how much risk reduction there is?

CDC: We don’t know, okay? Next question.

ME: Um, if I’m healthy and don’t want the poke, is there any reason I should get it?

CDC: Yes, for the collective.

ME: How does the collective benefit from me getting poked?

CDC: Because you could spread the virus to someone else who might get sick and die.

ME: Can a poked person spread the virus to someone else?

CDC: Yes.

ME: So if I get poked, I could still spread the virus to someone else?

CDC: Yes.

ME: But I thought you just said, the REASON I should get poked was to prevent me spreading the virus? How does that make sense if I can still catch Covid and spread it after getting the poke?

CDC: Never mind that. The other thing is, if you stay unpoked, there’s a chance the virus could possibly mutate into a strain that escapes the pokes protection, putting all poked people at risk.

ME: So the poke stops the virus from mutating?

CDC: No.

ME: So it can still mutate in poked people?

CDC: Yes.

ME: This seems confusing. If the poke doesn’t stop mutations, and it doesn’t stop infections, then how does me getting poked help prevent a more deadly strain from evolving to escape the poke?

CDC: You aren’t listening, okay? The bottom line is: as long as you are unpoked, you pose a threat to poked people.

ME: But what KIND of threat??

CDC: The threat that they could get a serious case of Covid and possibly die.

ME: My brain hurts. Didn’t you JUST say that the poke doesn’t keep people from catching Covid, but prevents a serious case or dying? Now it seems like you’re saying poked people can still easily die from Covid even after they got the poke just by running into an unpoked person! Which is it??

CDC: That’s it, we’re hanging up now.

ME: Wait! I just want to make sure I understand all this. So, even if I ALREADY had Covid, I should STILL get poked, because we don’t know how long natural immunity lasts, and we also don’t know how long poke immunity lasts. And I should get the poke to keep a poked person from catching Covid from me, but even if I get the poke, I can give it to the poked person anyways. And, the other poked person can still easily catch a serious case of Covid from me and die. Do I have all that right?
CDC is counting on hope vice data relating to the delta variant and booster. But hey Delta is so last season coming up is Lambda and it makes Delta well read for yourself. Source: https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.07.28.454085v1.full.pdf
 
Apple is failing to lead by not requiring employees to protect selves and each other by getting vaccinated.
If someone gets vaccinated then their are “protected” correct so why the fear porn, unless you known being “fully vaccinated” means nothing. 🤔
 
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And If I could keep from getting heart disease by getting a vaccine I'd do it.
I'm wearing a mask to keep others from getting covid just as much as I wear it for myself.
And speaking of random, covid is random in how it kills, you can be a young person in great
shape and still die. Lastly dying from covid is mostly preventable if you get the vaccine
and wear a mask.
Yes....my point was the poster was connecting two random pieces of information for no logical reason because they felt it made a rhetorical point. I was showing that it doesnt. Its just nonsense. Foley catheters kill more people than Ted Bundy. Yes...so what? Maybe I should have made my reference more obscure and not health related...I guess I need to work on my rhetoric.
 
And If I could keep from getting heart disease by getting a vaccine I'd do it.
I'm wearing a mask to keep others from getting covid just as much as I wear it for myself.
And speaking of random, covid is random in how it kills, you can be a young person in great
shape and still die. Lastly dying from covid is mostly preventable if you get the vaccine
and wear a mask.
This is truth!
 
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Should we also fire everyone who smokes cigarettes because second hand smoke has been proven to be worse for nearby people, not to mention raising insurance rates for these poor multibillion dollar companies. Perhaps every woman should also share their pap-smear status annually so those insurance rates don't affect everyone (including mens rates even though it doesn't apply to them).
How about you move to china so they can tell you how to live your life and you let americans be americans with their freedoms of choice.

A lot of insurance companies charge higher premiums and deductibles if you smoke...

So, yes, firing them is a good idea for the continuity of the business. And insurance companies have already started denying claims for billing for those that have not gotten the vaccination. It really isn't that hard a concept either, your freedom of choice relates to things that affect you, and only you. This choice affects the entire nation, so it's past time for it to be mandated in society. Like Polio, MMR, chicken pox, Hep B, Diptheria, Pertussis, and of course Tetanus (which is also something that requires boosters, specifically after potential exposure).

Good times, and it would be well deserved.
 
How would me, not wearing a seatbelt, endanger others? It only endangers me. Agreed, terrible analogy
That all depends on the speed you are driving and other variable factors. Motorbikes don’t have seatbelts, but a helmet is highly recommended for every rider but it is not a guarantee that even wearing a helmet one will survive or reduce the likelihood of serious injury.
 
No its not. The thread I was responding to had a very specific aim....its heartless to deny people medical care because they brought it on themselves. That is it. Thats all I addressed. That moral problem is indepednet of if its tranmissable. Proposing to exclude people who get diseases they shouldn’t is a weird form of inhuman cruelty.

As I said in this format it hard to follow threads so you are the third person trying to explain to me that other disorders are not transmissible. I get it, but its doesnt address the moral issue. We take care of people who go on a shooting spree and get shot and end up at the hospital. Compassion precedes justice in this context.
People that selfishly arrogantly ignorantly deliberately self select for essentially largely preventable illness and death deserve to be deprioritized for treatment when hospitals are overflowing in favor of other folks needing these essential services for accidents, and other emergencies.
 
A lot of insurance companies charge higher premiums and deductibles if you smoke...

So, yes, firing them is a good idea for the continuity of the business. And insurance companies have already started denying claims for billing for those that have not gotten the vaccination. It really isn't that hard a concept either, your freedom of choice relates to things that affect you, and only you. This choice affects the entire nation, so it's past time for it to be mandated in society. Like Polio, MMR, chicken pox, Hep B, Diptheria, Pertussis, and of course Tetanus (which is also something that requires boosters, specifically after potential exposure).

Good times, and it would be well deserved.
A “fully vaccinated” person can also be severely ill, hospitalized and die why are insurance companies discriminating.
 
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Mandates are about fear and control not health. Not once has a US public health official talked about health: the importance of sunlight, fresh air, walking in nature, good food, exercise, healthy relationships, multiple-filtered water, cutting out majority of carbs, stress, anxiety, meditation, sleep, rest, feeling good about yourself. It's all politics and fear.
You're right about public health officials not talking about not getting the virus by being more healthy.
We have many public health mandates, its part of living in our world.
97% of the people getting covid right now are the unvaccinated..and that is about politics.
 
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