Those people pay higher premiums. and they also are not passing their maladies to others.
And both of the people you mentioned should be vaccinated.
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And both of the people you mentioned should be vaccinated.
Reflect on the irony of your statement.
Two weeks to “flatten the curve”.
No mask, mask up, double mask, triple mask.
Vaccine will get us back to normal.
No masks for the vaccinated indoors, okay mask up again.
Need Boosters, two is not working we are pretty sure three will do it this time but who knows in six months you may need another but still not sure.
Vaccine Passports, this will stop transmission but hey fully vaccinated can still infect others if vaccinated or not but hey it will limit transmission any variants.
At some point if this was the script of a movie it would be scrapped and if not be relinquished to the B rated or less bin movie section. 🤣
Then why are we worried about spreading if breakthrough infections are minor illnesses?
No we've just had a lot more people die. And our hospitals are full.
And we have a bunch of people that want to do nothing..not wear a mask
not get a vaccine and keep going to events and spreading covid.
And the number of these geniuses in the US dwarf the population of your country.
It is an employee or one owns decision and choices to protect themselves from any potential harm. Apple or any other company for that matter should not be getting into people’s personal Heath issues. If the vaccine works then why the fear mongering, if it does not work then why mandate it or request for disclosure.
When will they survey the HIV-Status of their slaves?
Because it's a preventable condition now. The incredibly effective and safe vaccines are widely available, and free. Delta Airlines is one employer charging 200 dollars more per month for health coverage if you don't get it.
Why is it fair? Fully vaccinated people are getting infected because of unvaccinated simpletons. Plain and simple. The more infections that occur, the more variants there will be. It's basic science. If such a vaccine existed when influenza began in human history, there wouldn't be a guessing game each year on which strand and which mutation of that strand will be prevalent.
Who informed you that hospitals are full? Have you analyzed the issue from every angle. Curious.
I dont think I would like to live in a world where that is true. But if we get to a place where the hospitals ARE overflowing (in my state we are at 80% capacity and we are huge with the CV) then they should contact you to ask if you want to triage And you can put them all in order for who to treat. But since no where in the US has maxed out hospital capacity your zeal for judgement will never be considered. Should drunk drivers go before or after unvaccinated people? You be sure to make the call!
That’s right where is the proof hospitals are full? The nurses are in on it, so must be doctors, janitors, news outlet. In fact China made this virus so that Trump will be out of office. In fact the whole world is faking this virus to get rid of Trump. That makes a lot of sense. Did you know we blew up twin towers?
Well, one reason to get vaccinated is that our hospitals are full. So its not about covid going away
its about slowing it down. But its not just about the vaccine, these people do not wear a mask or
stop going to events. So its kind of all we have. And we don't really know yet were this is going
vaccines may slow it down and slow down the variants.
Breakthrough cases means it is not preventable. If it was effective then breakthrough events would not occur, Delta would not replicate and would not be transmissible with variants as an eventuality. Define “safe” if it was why do the manufacturers have liability protection. Delta can propose a higher premium to those who made a choice not to be injected but to my knowledge it may not be enforceable unless it’s a new employee and it also are grounds for discrimination again due to breakthrough events. Those employees should sign nothing and let Delta Airlines fire them or cancel their medical policy, it’s grounds for a lawsuit.
Your second paragraph is a fallacy and you known it why because for a virus to mutate and have variants it needs to replicate and be transmissible and being injected does not stop this so yes those fully injected are in the same boat as those not injected or even partially injected.
More and more companies are going to start offloading the extra cost of medical care for willfully unvaccinated who get covid and spend time in the hospital. Certain Airlines have already done this, and others will likely follow. And for all those complaining....Just be glad you aren't in the military. Their vaccination protocols are level 100... they will give you the full battery in one sitting. My bro-in-law, who is a civilian DOD contractor had to get a battery of booster shots + covid-19 vaccines within days of each other.
Sorry, I typed that in a hurry. IF a vaccinated person gets the breakthrough and passes it to
and unvaccinated person it is more serious.
Funny thing is... Trump is vaccinated and encourages people to get the vaccine, and he gets booed when he does so at his rallies.
But on the China thing, play the conspiracy game. Let's say this was released as a biological weapon test run. We have a way to win the war against it, yet 45% of people are refusing it. That's some pretty outstanding intelligence for China, in this fantasy, to just release round 2 and never fire a single shot in their quest for world domination. So, even playing the conspiracy game, they're failing to protect their country.
Logical fallacy.
While you're right about the numbers, society has 'accepted' the deaths from motorised transportation against the benefits. There are no benefits from getting infected with SARS-CoV-2.
We already took care of smokers. Pap smears?? seriously? Try making sense. Freedoms of choice? From a private company? Your employer is not the US government, They owe you nothing. You are free to go work somewhere else.
Breakthrough cases are caused by unvaccinated passing it along, they are a threat to everyone. Additionally, breakthrough cases are not even remotely the cause for the current spike.
And yes, mutations are from effective infections. From the unvaccinated. They are the ones making all the photocopies, and they're the cause of the paper jams and smudges.
Do you know how many millions of people got vaccinated in US? Vaccine is 95% effective and 5% of 160 millions is still a lot of people with breakthrough cases. You’re using this 5% breakthrough cases as an excuse for vaccine being not effective. How do you know when vaccine works and people don’t get sick? You can’t track when vaccine works, you can track if it doesn’t work. Think about it.
You really seem to be a bit thrown by the concept of something being very effective, but not 100% @dfstock:
Just as the fact that the overwhelming majority of people who die in car accidents were wearing a seatbelt, doesn't mean that seatbelts don't work incredibly well, just that the overwhelming majority of people wear them, and they aren't able to prevent every death.
Here's how our second and third waves worked out, before the vaccines and after them:
Being vaccinated significantly reduces your risk of being infected, which also reduces your odds of infecting others, it also massively reduces your risk of getting seriously ill, and gets quite close to entirely eliminating your risk of dying of COVID. It isn't perfect, but neither are seatbelts in cars, they still save a lot of people's lives anyway and there's really no downside to wearing one, just as there isn't when it comes to getting vaccinated.
Also to be clear "poke immunity" and "natural immunity" aren't like separate things our immune system files away in different places. Our immune system really has no concept of what a vaccine is, it just recognises things it thinks could hurt us and creates antibodies and t/b cells in response. If you've previously had COVID, getting vaccinated will give you even more protection, and it's not like our immune systems have some kind of opportunity cost thing going on where your protection against other things goes down if you have more protection against COVID, or that the protective cells created in response to prior infection are replaced by a whole different kind via the vaccines.
Hello from Britain, where while our case numbers are up, the ratio of cases to deaths has changed completely since our vaccine rollout kicked off. Considering that the vast majority those who are eligible here are vaccinated (88.5%), and as the vaccines are incredibly effective but not perfect, it is entirely to be expected that over time, we'll end up with the majority of hospital admissions and deaths from COVID being from vaccinated people.
Just as the fact that the overwhelming majority of people who die in car accidents were wearing a seatbelt, doesn't mean that seatbelts don't work incredibly well, just that the overwhelming majority of people wear them, and they aren't able to prevent every death.
Here's how our second and third waves worked out, before the vaccines and after them:
Yes, you should still get vaccinated even if you had COVID before, because the immunity you have isn't binary, we know that getting vaccinated improves it, and there's no real downside to doing so. It's all just more training for your immune system.
Being vaccinated significantly reduces your risk of being infected, which also reduces your odds of infecting others, it also massively reduces your risk of getting seriously ill, and gets quite close to entirely eliminating your risk of dying of COVID. It isn't perfect, but neither are seatbelts in cars, they still save a lot of people's lives anyway and there's really no downside to wearing one, just as there isn't when it comes to getting vaccinated.
Also to be clear "poke immunity" and "natural immunity" aren't like separate things our immune system files away in different places. Our immune system really has no concept of what a vaccine is, it just recognises things it thinks could hurt us and creates antibodies and t/b cells in response. If you've previously had COVID, getting vaccinated will give you even more protection, and it's not like our immune systems have some kind of opportunity cost thing going on where your protection against other things goes down if you have more protection against COVID, or that the protective cells created in response to prior infection are replaced by a whole different kind via the vaccines.
On this basis, the fact that some people still die in car accidents even though they wear seatbelts, would mean that seatbelts are not effective. Please try to understand that most things, especially infectious diseases, aren't a binary.
“Hospitals are full”
You do resize constantly repeating a lie does not make it truth, right.
You also are aware that influenza, RSV, etc virus’ have similar symptoms as COVID, what is with the obsession it’s like no other respiratory virus’ ever exist even today all of them got scared when SARS-CoV-2 showed up on the hospital block scene.