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Cigarette smoking is responsible for more than 480,000 deaths per year in the United States, including more than 41,000 deaths resulting from secondhand smoke exposure.
Covid, has killed 658,103 in the united states since the start.
Those numbers are pretty dang close. In fact, when you figure that we are almost 2 years in on covid, smoking is actually WORST!
Another insane comparison. Smoking deaths don’t fluctuate like COVID and disease doesn’t develop nearly as quickly. Stop being silly.

90% of smoking deaths by your numbers are people who choose to smoke. 10% of smoking deaths are nonsmokers, whereas 100% of COVID deaths were because somebody else gave them COVID, and likely someone of the two are unvaccinated.

As another user said, this is why we changed laws to reduce indoor smoking which has reduced the number of secondhand smoking deaths.
 
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Awe, poor baby.... you couldn't even counter what I said previously. Let me type it again for your slow brain... vaccinated people CAN and HAVE caught the virus and CAN and HAVE still transmitted the virus. An all vaccinated population is nothing but a pipe dream for the fearful.
Wow! Are you misinformed. YOU...are the one who is afraid...of people who can think for themselves. And I'll bet you think they are the ones who are the sheep. Wow. o_O
 
The screws over this issue are tightening everywhere. It's only a matter of time before a Vax certificate will be required for almost everything that involves jamming people together
 
Good for you, now prove that for every other non-vaccinated person. With vaccines we have an easy way to know who is protected. For those who think they have natural immunity we don’t without testing them individually.
Or we could use epidemiological science instead of act like people who have never heard of statistics.

Data has consistently shown that natural immunity has reinfection rates of 1% (UK, Israel, Cleveland Clinic). Against delta the estimates of vaccines effectiveness is 75-95%. Why would we make people in the 1% group prove they are safe but not people in the 5-25% group. By the way - the EU vaccine passport includes vaccination, a negative test, or surviving CV19. When there were polio mandates they excluded people who survived polio.
 
Should we also fire everyone who smokes cigarettes because second hand smoke has been proven to be worse for nearby people...
You couldn't really have picked a worse example to make your point. Smoking has been banned from businesses to protect people from second hand smoke. Similarly, mandatory vaccines will protect people from those who choose to remain unvaccinated.
 
It's amazing to me how many people are ok with losing their rights. Mandates, sharing personal information, etc.
Once you give that up you will never get it back. The government, establishment, and corporations will do anything to take away anything they can. If we all agree with it, they will continue pushing the boundaries.

I'm a vaccinated person and I respect people who do not want to be vaccinated. I am not taking future booster shots despite all the fear-mongering the MSM brainwashes us every day. Luckily, my job allows me to work from home but I would highly consider quitting it if my employer would force me to do something against my will.
You never had and never will have unlimited rights. Nor should you.
You don’t get to speed in your car.
You don’t get to shoot people.
You don’t get to commit ritual sacrifice.
You don’t get to yell fire in a crowded theater.
There is a long list of limitations on YOUR rights to protect MY rights and the rights of others.

As for your claim that “rights” when taken away never come back, history has proven you wrong on that too. Case in point, WW2. Numerous limitations were placed on the public due to the situation. Rationing of things like gasoline, rubber, nylon, and various foods. Price and wage controls. Limitations on certain leisure activities such as driving, and of course the draft (not to mention the terrible internment of Asian Americans). Outside of the US some areas, particularly those on the front had even greater restrictions, such as no lights after certain hours. And when the threat of war was over, these restrictions were removed.
If your “theory” was right all those things (and more) would still be in place today. Temporary impositions on normal freedoms happen during a crisis, whether it be short term such as a flood or hurricane, or longer, such as a war. Your paranoid theory is therefor proven wrong.
 
Should we close hospitals to the overweight? How about people who don’t exercise regularly? Or don’t take their pills as the doctor prescribed.

Who is at more risk of hospitalization- a 65 year vaccinated fat guy or a 25 year old healthy unvaccinated runner? This lack of empathy or compassion for others is so militant. It’s scary to see in others.
I'm talking specifically about people who refuse to get vaccinated, then go to the hospital when they get covid. They should stay at home, and let nature, god (whatever they believe) take it's course. That is what they want. I have heard it thousands of times. Listen to to their guy on newsmax. "Some diseases are supposed to wipe out a certain amount of people." Literally what he said. None of them had a problem with it.
 
Why would I prove it for everyone? I've received a medical opinion from my doctor for my specific case.

It isn't my burden of proof. It's on the people demanding I do something to prove why I should ignore my doctor upon pain of cancel culture, I think.
It is your burden of proof if you want to engage with the rest of the world. We should not have to risk our lives based on your word that you are safe.
 
It is your burden of proof if you want to engage with the rest of the world. We should not have to risk our lives based on your word that you are safe.
Nope.

The question stands. If someone presumes to be a gatekeeper over life, the burden rests upon that person to prove why I am to be denied entry.

I did not hire you to be my doctor and tell me what medications to take. The doctor I did hire who has expertise and experience in the discipline as well as knowledge of my case tells me that.
 
Or we could use epidemiological science instead of act like people who have never heard of statistics.

Data has consistently shown that natural immunity has reinfection rates of 1% (UK, Israel, Cleveland Clinic). Against delta the estimates of vaccines effectiveness is 75-95%. Why would we make people in the 1% group prove they are safe but not people in the 5-25% group. By the way - the EU vaccine passport includes vaccination, a negative test, or surviving CV19. When there were polio mandates they excluded people who survived polio.
Polio and COVID are different.
Prove to me (or rather the relevant authority) you have natural immunity and fine, you can be exempt from the vaccine too. But getting COVID does not equal natural immunity.
 
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Nope.

The question stands. If someone presumes to be a gatekeeper over life, the burden rests upon that person to prove why I am to be denied entry.

I did not hire you to be my doctor and tell me what medications to take. The doctor I did hire who has expertise and experience in the discipline as well as knowledge of my case tells me that.
What medicines you take don’t affect me. Your ability to infect me with COVID does. You should have to prove you are a lower COVID risk just like you have to prove you are capable of driving (therefore lower risk).
It’s common sense.
 
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