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Should we close hospitals to the overweight? How about people who don’t exercise regularly? Or don’t take their pills as the doctor prescribed.

Who is at more risk of hospitalization- a 65 year vaccinated fat guy or a 25 year old healthy unvaccinated runner? This lack of empathy or compassion for others is so militant. It’s scary to see in others.

Not nearly the same.
- Fat people aren't infectious to others.
- Fat people aren't going to clog up ICU departments, however, the unvaccinated will, leaving fewer resources available for others ( non - covid reasons ) who need ICU.

Vaccinated people are far less likely to end up in ICU. They'll more likely be sick at home for a few days and recover.
 
It did for me.

Prove why I should ignore my doctor.
I never said you should ignore your doctor. The rest of us have no clue what your doctor said. Your doctor has only proven TO YOU that you are safe. The rest of us have zero reason to believe you are, and we shouldn’t have to take your word for it. If you are a potential risk to my safety it’s on YOU to prove that you are not. Again, common sense.
 
What medicines you take don’t affect me. Your ability to infect me with COVID does. You should have to prove you are a lower COVID risk just like you have to prove you are capable of driving (therefore lower risk).
It’s common sense.
Are you not vaccinated?

What's the point of getting vaccinated if you're still in fear of someone who has COVID?

Funny you mention common sense. Common sense is generally unsupported by data. :)

I guess your argument boils down to "because I said so." Not the strongest argument, unfortunately.
 
You do realize most people prefer working from home, right lol
I don’t know how you speak for “most people”.

Most people that I know are getting a bit sick of it now that the novelty has worn off. But that is a small sample.
 
Nope.

The question stands. If someone presumes to be a gatekeeper over life, the burden rests upon that person to prove why I am to be denied entry.

I did not hire you to be my doctor and tell me what medications to take. The doctor I did hire who has expertise and experience in the discipline as well as knowledge of my case tells me that.
It's your burden of proof if you want to work for a company that requires proof of vaccination.
 
So you're an anti-vaxxer that pulled through and even after five not-ideal days still refuses to accept facts. You're a real piece of work, and I'm sorry you disappointed me too.
I'm a person with a doctor who gave me a medical opinion that a vaccine is unnecessary in my case because of having COVID in February and thus has natural immunity.

Or did you not read the thread before wishing death on people?
 
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Are you not vaccinated?

What's the point of getting vaccinated if you're still in fear of someone who has COVID?

Funny you mention common sense. Common sense is generally unsupported by data. :)

I guess your argument boils down to "because I said so." Not the strongest argument, unfortunately.
Because vaccinated people, while at lower risk, can still get COVID. And even if they don’t die they could unknowingly spread it to people they love who can’t get vaccinated due to age or health conditions and we’d rather avoid that because we care about other people.
And because unvaccinated people continuing to spread COVID at much greater rates promote the development of variants, some of which could be worse and may not be stopped by the current vaccines and we’d rather avoid that too.
My argument boils down to science and facts actually. Yours boils down to selfishness and disregard for the safety of others.

I got vaccinated to reduce my risk, but since I am literate and understand science I know that risk is not zero, it’s still unfortunately high enough to be concerned about.

I got vaccinated to reduce my risk to others because some people can’t yet (or ever) get vaccinated and enough of the rest of us getting vaccinated creates herd immunity which protects them too.

As I said, I got vaccinated because I care about others and I listen to science and facts.

My question to you is this: Why don’t you?
 
Because vaccinated people, while at lower risk, can still get COVID. And even if they don’t die they could unknowingly spread it to people they love who can’t get vaccinated due to age or health conditions and we’d rather avoid that because we care about other people.
And because unvaccinated people continuing to spread COVID at much greater rates promote the development of variants, some of which could be worse and may not be stopped by the current vaccines and we’d rather avoid that too.
My argument boils down to science and facts actually. Yours boils down to selfishness and disregard for the safety of others.
Hm. That's a distraction.

If you are afraid of getting sick, quarantine yourself or get this injection.

Treating healthy people as though they are sick is not really a persuasive argument either.

I think we've carried this as far as it can go. :). I ain't going against my doctor. If that's not good enough for you, then sorry but I'm not going to quit living my life so you can feel secure and comfortable in yourself.

Cheers.
 
Sadly, illegal under the terms of the EUA.

Gonna mention Hitler again?

Here is a list of U.S. companies that are mandating at least some of their workforce get vaccinated against COVID-19:
  • Amtrak
  • Capital One
  • Citigroup
  • Disney
  • Facebook
  • Goldman Sachs
  • Google
  • McDonald’s
  • Microsoft
  • NBCUniversal
  • Netflix
  • Twitter
  • Walmart
and more.
 
What is so hard for people to understand that the initial viral load of the delta variant is so high that vaccinated people can still EASILY transmit. Easily. Over time - several years - the virus will become less severe similar to a common cold, just as many coronaviruses are now. So, the only people who suffer are the ones unvaccinated as their chances of being hospitalized are much higher compared to those vaccinated. If someone is immunocompromised, they are still at risk due to the transmissibility. Even if everyone on the planet was vaccinated, COVID will not go away. You guys know this, right? Don’t force people to get vaccinated against their will. It doesn’t matter if they have a basis or evidence-based rationale for their reasons. They have choice. Period.
 
I like how you cherry-pick one quote from a CNN interview rather than looking at the broader range of evidence.

Maybe you need to watch less CNN.
Maybe you need to “trust the science”. From the CDC website:
For people infected with the Delta variant, similar amounts of viral genetic material have been found among both unvaccinated and fully vaccinated people.
 

Here is a list of U.S. companies that are mandating at least some of their workforce get vaccinated against COVID-19:
  • Amtrak
  • Capital One
  • Citigroup
  • Disney
  • Facebook
  • Goldman Sachs
  • Google
  • McDonald’s
  • Microsoft
  • NBCUniversal
  • Netflix
  • Twitter
  • Walmart
and more.
Logical Fallacy, call on line one.
 
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What is so hard for people to understand that the initial viral load of the delta variant is so high that vaccinated people can still EASILY transmit. Easily. Over time - several years - the virus will become less severe similar to a common cold, just as many coronaviruses are now. So, the only people who suffer are the ones unvaccinated as their chances of being hospitalized are much higher compared to those vaccinated. If someone is immunocompromised, they are still at risk due to the transmissibility. Even if everyone on the planet was vaccinated, COVID will not go away. You guys know this, right? Don’t force people to get vaccinated against their will. It doesn’t matter if they have a basis or evidence-based rationale for their reasons. They have choice. Period.
I'd say that's probably the nicest thing I've seen on this thread. Thank you!
 
Well, was butchering the native Americans any better? Don’t throw stones when you sit in a glass house. Time does not always heal wounds.
As an American of mostly German descent let me say, very fair point.
That said there are rights Americans have that Germans don’t too. Neither nation is perfect either in the past or the present. Both have good and bad points and areas that are simply different. Ideally we would learn from each other and try to make both (well all) countries better.
 
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What is so hard for people to understand that the initial viral load of the delta variant is so high that vaccinated people can still EASILY transmit. Easily. Over time - several years - the virus will become less severe similar to a common cold, just as many coronaviruses are now. So, the only people who suffer are the ones unvaccinated as their chances of being hospitalized are much higher compared to those vaccinated. If someone is immunocompromised, they are still at risk due to the transmissibility. Even if everyone on the planet was vaccinated, COVID will not go away. You guys know this, right? Don’t force people to get vaccinated against their will. It doesn’t matter if they have a basis or evidence-based rationale for their reasons. They have choice. Period.
This is 100% false. Vaccinated people do NOT pose the same risk of spreading COVID as unvaccinated do, simply because vaccinated people are MUCH less likely to get COVID (including Delta) to begin with.

Further there is no gaurentee that COVID will only become milder over time. Diseases can and do become more dangerous over time as well. That’s what Delta is, a more dangerous future version of the original COVID. Reducing spread through vaccination lowers the risk of variants. There is no medical or scientific reason for most people not to be vaccinated and an enormous reason why they should.
 
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