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You never had and never will have unlimited rights. Nor should you.
You don’t get to speed in your car.
You don’t get to shoot people.
You don’t get to commit ritual sacrifice.
You don’t get to yell fire in a crowded theater.
There is a long list of limitations on YOUR rights to protect MY rights and the rights of others.

As for your claim that “rights” when taken away never come back, history has proven you wrong on that too. Case in point, WW2. Numerous limitations were placed on the public due to the situation. Rationing of things like gasoline, rubber, nylon, and various foods. Price and wage controls. Limitations on certain leisure activities such as driving, and of course the draft (not to mention the terrible internment of Asian Americans). Outside of the US some areas, particularly those on the front had even greater restrictions, such as no lights after certain hours. And when the threat of war was over, these restrictions were removed.
If your “theory” was right all those things (and more) would still be in place today. Temporary impositions on normal freedoms happen during a crisis, whether it be short term such as a flood or hurricane, or longer, such as a war. Your paranoid theory is therefor proven wrong.
The problem with your argument is that these infringements are never temporary. Once you give that in, they won't come back.
The examples of WW2 are weak. We live in a much more surveillance society than back then.
Also your examples of unlimited rights are based on the killing/safety of people. There is not denying that, it's common sense. The Covid issue is different because we are still learning the effects and causes of the virus. The CDC keeps changing their guidance in an almost monthly basis.
 
Originally, I thought this virus would have united everyone in the world. And everyone would be running iPhones and Macs.
Maybe if we hadn’t had the moron in chief stirring up trouble while in office by being anti-mask, anti-vaccine, heck just anti-science in general it could have. I truly believe had this happened under any previous Republican President or even some alternatives from the last round this wouldn’t be happening. Reagan, Bush and Bush, Romney, McCain, Rubio, etc I think they all would have done the right thing on this. Instead we got the worst possible person.
 
Where's the logical fallacy? If you don't want to get vaccinated, then you can't work for those companies.
NOTE that the list includes McDonalds. You better get vaccinated before all the fast-food chains ban you from employment.
Coercion is illegal under the EUA.

You posted...a list, trying to say that an potentially illegal mandate is fine because there's a list of companies doing it.

Textbook fallacy.

But threaten to shoot someone again. That was fun.
 
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The problem with your argument is that these infringements are never temporary. Once you give that in, they won't come back.
The examples of WW2 are weak. We live in a much more surveillance society than back then.
Also your examples of unlimited rights are based on the killing/safety of people. There is not denying that, it's common sense. The Covid issue is different because we are still learning the effects and causes of the virus. The CDC keeps changing their guidance in an almost monthly basis.
No, my argument is not weak, your is because I completely contradicted it with numerous examples of freedoms that were temporarily limited and then returned. That’s it, game over for you.
 
I wonder if there are planned accommodations for those with natural immunity, religious/medical exemptions, or regular testing.
There are very few real religious exemptions.
The Pope said "Take the shot". Muslims and Jews don't have an issue. Up until now everyone needed to be vaccinated to go to school or college in the US. It was mandated.

Getting vaccinated was at one time patriotic.
Also with medical. Same thing.

Natural immunity? You mean people that have already been infected. No exemptions for them.

Get the shot or be prepared to pay your own way in a hospital if you get infected. Be prepared to wait behind vaccinated folks for care related to Covid. Be prepared to show your card to get in places.

It's FDA approved.
I was vaccinated months ago. My 15 year olds were vaccinated 2 days after FDA emergency use approval.
 
Coercion is illegal under the EUA.

You posted...a list, trying to say that an potentially illegal mandate is fine because there's a list of companies doing it.

Textbook fallacy.

But threaten to shoot someone again. That was fun.
Requiring vaccines is 100% legal. Supreme Court has ruled on that issue numerous times in the past. You are really bad at arguing. You just make stuff up and ignore facts. Must be a Trump voter.
 
Coercion is illegal under the EUA.

You posted...a list, trying to say that an potentially illegal mandate is fine because there's a list of companies doing it.

Textbook fallacy.

But threaten to shoot someone again. That was fun.
But here in the US; there is a vaccine with full FDA. So no emergency use authorization limits.
 
Requiring vaccines is 100% legal. Supreme Court has ruled on that issue numerous times in the past. You are really bad at arguing. You just make stuff up and ignore facts. Must be a Trump voter.
The EUA has different rules.

Sounds like you are ignorant of them. The law underlying it specifically bans coercion as well as denial of medical care.

Your condescension is noted. Seems the ad hom is the last refuge of the Scared Vaccinated. :)
 
But here in the US; there is a vaccine with full FDA. So no emergency use authorization limits.
No, the FDA approval does not cover the vaccines currently out there. The FDA approved has not been released yet.

I blame the really crappy FDA press release for that confusion.
 
The opinion that there shouldn't be is one thing, though many states do have them. Facts on the ground are that removing those that do exist opens up a rather large can of worms.

Interesting to think what the fallout would be from such an action.
The thing is, the virus doesn't have a religious exemption - it doesn't say, "oh, that person believes in a particular invisible man in the sky [to use George Carlin's wording], so I won't infect them". And, further, the virus doesn't care whether you believe in it or not. You can still get infected and in turn infect others. The only exemptions there should be are for people who cannot take the vaccine for legit medical reasons (and not just "I convinced a doctor to sign this note").

One political party in the US has worked tirelessly since the 80's to ensure that employment in 49 of the 50 states is "at will", so the employer can discontinue your employment at any time for any reason, as long as it isn't directly because you're a member of a protected class (i.e. can't fire you because you're Jewish, or black, or gay, etc.). So, employers can't force you to get the vaccine (no dragging you by the arm down to the nurse), but they can say, "every employee must be vaccinated", in which case your alternatives are, get vaccinated, or seek other employment. I expect this is going to become a much more common thing, going forward, and there's going to be a whole lot of wailing and gnashing of teeth from the anti-vaxxer crowd about how their freedoms have been trampled - nope, choices have consequences.
 
No, the FDA approval does not cover the vaccines currently out there. The FDA approved has not been released yet.

I blame the really crappy FDA press release for that confusion.
Wrong Pfizer has full FDA approval for 16 and over. EUA is still in place for 12-15 years.of age.

FDA was granted August 23, 2021. The name will be changed and marketed as Comirnaty
 
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Maybe if we hadn’t had the moron in chief stirring up trouble while in office by being anti-mask, anti-vaccine, heck just anti-science in general it could have. I truly believe had this happened under any previous Republican President or even some alternatives from the last round this wouldn’t be happening. Reagan, Bush and Bush, Romney, McCain, Rubio, etc I think they all would have done the right thing on this. Instead we got the worst possible person.

Now when he says to do it, people boo at him. I don't know if there is any hope for the supporters as they keep going deeper and deeper in the hole. My theory is that it is a fear based system that is keeping them in the dark. There is no fact checking in that world. Apple is trying to be neutral to satisfy these individuals.
 
I'm talking specifically about people who refuse to get vaccinated, then go to the hospital when they get covid. They should stay at home, and let nature, god (whatever they believe) take it's course. That is what they want. I have heard it thousands of times. Listen to to their guy on newsmax. "Some diseases are supposed to wipe out a certain amount of people." Literally what he said. None of them had a problem with it.
I gave you an equivalent scenario. It just showed your proposal was ridiculous. Vaccines are a mitigation strategy to reduce both disease incidence and disease intensity. The current vaccines does both. However this is true for diabetes of weight loss, for the metabolic syndrome of exercise, and for many situations by correctly taking your medications.

I don’t know what newsmax is or who their guy is. I know that compassion dictates we do our best to heal people no matter how they get to us or what decisions they make or what they think about medicine. I don’t understand many of the personal and health choices people make and almost no one lives how I prefer. Oh well. They still deserve my compassion and understanding.
 
I gave you an equivalent scenario. It just showed your proposal was ridiculous. Vaccines are a mitigation strategy to reduce both disease incidence and disease intensity. The current vaccines does both. However this is true for diabetes of weight loss, for the metabolic syndrome of exercise, and for many situations by correctly taking your medications.

I don’t know what newsmax is or who their guy is. I know that compassion dictates we do our best to heal people no matter how they get to us or what decisions they make or what they think about medicine. I don’t understand many of the personal and health choices people make and almost no one lives how I prefer. Oh well. They still deserve my compassion and understanding.
You can't catch diabetes from someone else.
 
As an American of mostly German descent let me say, very fair point.
That said there are rights Americans have that Germans don’t too. Neither nation is perfect either in the past or the present. Both have good and bad points and areas that are simply different. Ideally we would learn from each other and try to make both (well all) countries better.
The difference is that Hitler was a puppet and as such was taking orders.
 
How about I Lysol you in the face if I see you because I have the freedom to not want a covid variant created by the un-vaxed.

Vaccine is FDA approved now. None of you have a leg to stand on. Get Vaxed or lose your freedoms.

End of story.

EDIT: Guess this needed /s

The point is if he has the "freedom" to make others sick I have the "freedom" to protect myself.
Go ahead and try doing that. You will be pumped full of lead. Covid would be the least of your worries.

I swear some of the pro-vaxxers have the iq equivalent of a headless fly.

You are vaccianted, so you are "protected" so kindly **** and worry about yourselves.
 
Should we also fire everyone who smokes cigarettes because second hand smoke has been proven to be worse for nearby people
Gotta love these arguments. You can't get second hand smoking by being around a smoker that isn't smoking at the time, nor is it contagious. Also, it's not even allowed to smoke in the office. That's why they're required to go outside in a designated smoking area so they don't affect those nearby; and those that don't like inhaling smoke can stay away from those areas. If they decided to ignore that and smoke in the office, they'd likely be fired.
 
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Wrong Pfizer has full FDA approval for 16 and over. EUA is still in place for 12-15 years.of age.

FDA was granted August 23, 2021. The name will be changed and marketed as Comirnaty
Well, apparently I'll need to ask for details from the coworker (who supports the FDA in an FFRDC) who told me they were two different things. She sounded pretty sure though and works directly with the relevant areas.
 
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