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its really cool tech. it's a step towardsd that mythical sci-fi future.

But I'm with you. I don't really want it until it's at that ready point where it can be trusted.

and I don't see purely autonomous driving being practical until it's all or nothing. Once you get a mix of fallible humans driving, with rigid computer systems, it's a recipe for disaster. People are unpredictable and do things computers often have a hard time account for. It would take some serious AI to be ble to do so in such a complete heuristic sense, that we are still a long way from.

Plus, I really like driving. my foot on the gas. Hand on the wheels. shifting. the roar of the engine at my command.... hmmm, need to go for a drive.... in my... camry.... DONT JUDGE!
Haha yeah I'm with you, driving is one of my favorite things to do. I like to take a curvy road in my subie any chance I get.
 
This is a screenshot of an actual interaction I had with Siri yesterday morning after I got out of the shower. I had American Idiot by Green Day stuck in my head while showering, so I used "Hey Siri" to turn up the volume and play it. Or at least I tried—it was like Siri was having a stroke! The best part was after the music started playing, "Hey Siri" couldn't even hear me so that I could tell it to turn up the volume more. There's no way in hell I'd go anywhere near an Apple self-driving car!

I usually tell Siri to shuffle whatever playlist while in car. Usually works good, not that this is complicated. But that seems to be broken now. "can't do that if not listening to song" "shuffle on" (but doesn't play it or switch to playlist)
 
We don't know that Apple's plans to build a car "fell through" because we never had any actual information that they were planning on building one. All we really had to support that idea was a lot of wishful thinking accompanied by the usual fantasy renderings. Not the same thing as reality, last I checked.
 
Can someone tell me who they are creating this software for? All the major automakers already investing billions in this space. They don't need Apple. Plus has Apple ever been successful being a piece of technology in somebody else's product? Unless their goal is their own vehicles for some self driving ridesharing service I see big fail all over this.

If I had to guess it is because Apple like every other major player in the game is desperately trying to hire as many AI and machine learning people as they can and some of the best AI and machine learning people are hyperfocused on working on self-driving car technology.

For Apple and their massive R&D budget at a certain point it is probably hiring the best people in the business and letting them work on whatever the hell they want to work on and hoping a bunch of it bleed into other areas.
 
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Becausemost of the platforms currently run on Blackberries platform QNX and Apple believes they can play the same game as Blackberry?

that's kind of my guess

or there's legitimate belief autonomous driving is the future.
Is QNX used for autonomous and self driving vehicles or is it just the infotainment software for the dashboard? I'm still skeptical that Apple would be successful where they don't control the whole stack. I mean look at the LG monitor. I have no doubt the screw up with that is why Apple has now committed to doing its own monitors again.
 
Can someone tell me who they are creating this software for? All the major automakers already investing billions in this space. They don't need Apple. Plus has Apple ever been successful being a piece of technology in somebody else's product? Unless their goal is their own vehicles for some self driving ridesharing service I see big fail all over this.
Exactly. I think they originally planned to make a car, but gave up. But they already invested a lot in the software. So, instead of just throwing it out, they want to see if they can develop it to the point where they can sell it to other car manufacturers.

But I'm not convinced it will be successful. Apple is not that strong in AI, compared to for example Google and Microsoft.
 
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Is QNX used for autonomous and self driving vehicles or is it just the infotainment software for the dashboard? I'm still skeptical that Apple would be successful where they don't control the whole stack. I mean look at the LG monitor. I have no doubt the screw up with that is why Apple has now committed to doing its own monitors again.

the QNX platform is the primary operating system that allows for just about everything to run on top of it, from Infotainment to vehicle telemetries. autonomous layer would be a module added to the QNX software library. Similar to how Car PLay works (which requires a QNX platform currently to run on top of)

I believe it's currently the most predominant automative platform right now. Pretty much what has Kept Blackberry operating for all this time. QNX was actually the core of BB10 as well.

I do agree, Apple doesn't tend to do fairly well when they don't control the whole stack. But it would be a tremendous leap to compete with QNX right now, as due to the nature of automotive, there are things QNX does (as a real time OS) that things like OSx, iOS, linux, even windows just cannot do. QNX had the chance to really push itself for stability and safety as it's also a primary OS for systems like power plants and other places where nanoseconds of reaction time could be difference between safety and disaster

If Apple wanted to go down this route, and be the core OS on automotive, they'll likely need to write a new OS from scratch

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Real-time_operating_system
 
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Is QNX used for autonomous and self driving vehicles or is it just the infotainment software for the dashboard?

Both. In fact QNX is already being used today in ADAS, systems like lanekeeping and automatic braking, which is a significant advantage.

Apple will need some major overhauls to their OS just to match QNX today. Tim Cook and the rest simply don't understand.

For example, QNX can load a lite version. It can also boot itself from a saved image. Windows can do that, but not OS X. Nobody is going to sit around for 10 seconds while their car boots when QNX can do it in 2.

Another issue is that QNX is a realtime OS, meaning that it will never beachball for more than a period of time measured in microseconds. Imagine that happening while you drive down the road. People won't get pissed on a self driving car, they'll die.
 
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Exactly. I think they originally planned to make a car, but gave up. But they already invested a lot in the software. So, instead of just throwing it out, they want to see if they can develop it to the point where they can sell it to other car manufacturers.

But I'm not convinced it will be successful. Apple is not that strong in AI, compared to for example Google and Microsoft.

Its a secret project that leaked, how you will fix that? maybe by spreading rumors that they stop.
 
Glad it works for you, but it sure doesn't for me.


weird. it seems to work fine here too.

just for the challenge, i took the last post, added some more "to's" and stated to siri, " I too, want to know how to purchase two flowers." still got it all right,
even pulled up local flower shops and an article on the best flower combinations, so at that point, maybe chalk it up to user error?
 
I'm sure self-driving automobiles are on the way, but I'm still not sure we're "there" yet technologically. I know we have to start somewhere...
 
Can someone tell me who they are creating this software for? All the major automakers already investing billions in this space. They don't need Apple. Plus has Apple ever been successful being a piece of technology in somebody else's product? Unless their goal is their own vehicles for some self driving ridesharing service I see big fail all over this.

I've been wondering about this almost every day when I read the newspaper (Wha?) and some other group has initiated or milestoned self-driving tech. Where exactly can Apple fit--it's not like even CarPlay is some great success according to recent reviews and comparisons. It think it's all too late. Be happy to be proven wrong.
 
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Are you forgetting about this massively successful product?

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…okay, maybe you have a point.

Did the iTunes software fail to work properly on the Motorola phones? If it worked as intended, then the true failure was not Apple's, but Motorola's for such a lousy phone. It took Apple to show the world how mobile phones should be designed.
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You heard it here first.
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Apple Maps navigating Apple cars utilizing Siri?

Run for your life!!!!

Apple Maps and Siri both work magically for me. Your mileage may vary.
 
If their "self-driving" cars share the reliability of iOS and macOS - it will kill more people than the bubonic plague !
 
If their "self-driving" cars share the reliability of iOS and macOS - it will kill more people than the bubonic plague !
but just imagine, Sending stickers and little video clips directly to your friends Windshield!!

you can send your heart beat right to their steering wheel or heated seats!!
and speaking of heated seats, don't worry if the seat starts expanding, thats just the chinese batteries they used in it, it must just be user error!
 
If this is all true, it's very historically interesting for Apple. For the first time, they're developing what seems to be a software system independent of hardware. Obviously a self-driving car relies on sensors, etc; I'm talking about the car. They supposedly started with the car, but abandoned that idea in favor of developing an autonomous car system. Theoretical this system could be licensed and used by different car manufacturers. This is a different model from everything Apple's's done before, where software systems and hardware systems were intertwined.
 
Apparently it's more of a software platform for manufacturers to implement than an actual car itself.

And this might not be a bad thing. Most of the other external vendors will be interested in harvesting the users data for $$$. Apple could offer a platform with privacy built in. The big Mfr's will do their own, but there will be a good bunch that will be behind on this.
 
It's pretty pants if they don't make their own actual cars for this to go in. And very un-Apple, selling software for other manufacturers.
 
Tim Cook's business strategy: Just gonna copy what competitors are doing, throw feces at the wall and check what sticks. Also gonna go and preach about politics because Apple literally has nothing better to do nowadays. What a sham.
 
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