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Can someone tell me who they are creating this software for? All the major automakers already investing billions in this space. They don't need Apple. Plus has Apple ever been successful being a piece of technology in somebody else's product? Unless their goal is their own vehicles for some self driving ridesharing service I see big fail all over this.


You're assuming a lot. Apple never said they were creating software to sell to manufacturers. That's just some SWAG thrown out there on the rumor sites. It's very unlikely. More likely Apple may partner with some company as they have been able to watch how Tesla is still losing huge amounts of money and is struggling mightily to produce vehicles, all the while most every other manufacturer has electric vehicles and autonomous in the pipeline. Heck, by the end of this year, every single Toyota sold, down to their cheapest car will have significant "autonomous" features: LIDAR, auto braking, 360 cameras, pedestrian avoidance, lane control, etc. Those features are rapidly heading toward commoditized products that will be on every car. The differentiator is not going to be the technology ironically, but rather price, quality, the experience, etc.
 
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But I'm not convinced it will be successful. Apple is not that strong in AI, compared to for example Google and Microsoft.
I'm not convinced it will be successful, but I'm also not convinced it will fail. Like you (and like those who speculated about the iPhone or AppleTV before they came out), I have limited information from which to speculate.
 
I wouldn't be surprised if the likes of BMW, Mercedes-Benz and Volkswagen are studying the ideas Apple are working on in terms of autonomous driving technology. In fact, number of vehicles on Volkwagen's new MEB (Modularer Elektrobaukasten) electric car platform could end up using Apple's autonomous technology.
 
Surprised nobody has posted this image yet. Also wishing Apple would just buy Tesla already, since the latter provides the entire energy ecosystem (generate, store, consume) and has refined their cars, gained a cult following, and have sales / distribution / charging mostly figured out. They also need the money and actually have real products in their pipeline (Model 3).
 

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If Apple employees need training to use this, that is fail right there. Apple customers aren't going to get training.
 
Surprised nobody has posted this image yet. Also wishing Apple would just buy Tesla already, since the latter provides the entire energy ecosystem (generate, store, consume) and has refined their cars, gained a cult following, and have sales / distribution / charging mostly figured out. They also need the money and actually have real products in their pipeline (Model 3).
For the same money, Apple could buy Ford or GM.
 
Exactly. I think they originally planned to make a car, but gave up. But they already invested a lot in the software. So, instead of just throwing it out, they want to see if they can develop it to the point where they can sell it to other car manufacturers.

But I'm not convinced it will be successful. Apple is not that strong in AI, compared to for example Google and Microsoft.
Right in then that goes back to what car manufactures want (or need) a car OS from Apple?
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You're assuming a lot. Apple never said they were creating software to sell to manufacturers. That's just some SWAG thrown out there on the rumor sites. It's very unlikely. More likely Apple may partner with some company as they have been able to watch how Tesla is still losing huge amounts of money and is struggling mightily to produce vehicles, all the while most every other manufacturer has electric vehicles and autonomous in the pipeline. Heck, by the end of this year, every single Toyota sold, down to their cheapest car will have significant "autonomous" features: LIDAR, auto braking, 360 cameras, pedestrian avoidance, lane control, etc. Those features are rapidly heading toward commoditized products that will be on every car. The differentiator is not going to be the technology ironically, but rather price, quality, the experience, etc.
No, I know Apple never said this but that's what everyone else says; that Apple building a car is ridiculous. But somehow building a car OS isn't. I don't get it.
 
But I'm with you. I don't really want it until it's at that ready point where it can be trus

I think(hope) this is exactly apple's thinking.

There were MP3 players before there was an iPod.
There were smartphones before there was a iPhone.
There were tablets before there was an iPad.

But none of those things were doing it right until Apple came along. Late to the game, sure. But they spent the time to get it perfect as opposed to being first. I hope that's the case here. That they are going to let other companies publicly tinker with the idea of a self driving car, and they're going to be watching what everyone else gets wrong, take those learnings and make a killer product.

What that product is, I'm not sure. Honestly, my money is on a subscription car service. One that is connected to the internet of things. Imagine you pay for a certain tier of car. Some people pay for a ride share, some people pay for a super luxury car. Maybe those cars are apple designed. Either way, it knows your calendar. It knows you have a 9 am meeting that's 30 minutes from your home. So at 8:20, you have a car sitting outside your home, and your phone alerts you. You get in and your emails are loaded up, your most recent podcast starts playing. You can FaceTime with your contacts. I for one would love that.
 
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How about them taking care of computers first? Before getting into a war about "self driving cars" that not even 1/3 of the people want at the ****ing moment?

I am getting so SICK!
 
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Tim Cook's business strategy: Just gonna copy what competitors are doing, throw feces at the wall and check what sticks. Also gonna go and preach about politics because Apple literally has nothing better to do nowadays. What a sham.

Apple will do what it does best: take an emerging product category with a frustrating user experience and delivered a polished product made possible by its control over both the hardware and software.
 
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Exactly. I think they originally planned to make a car, but gave up. But they already invested a lot in the software. So, instead of just throwing it out, they want to see if they can develop it to the point where they can sell it to other car manufacturers.

But I'm not convinced it will be successful. Apple is not that strong in AI, compared to for example Google and Microsoft.

Wasn't the google home in the news recently for sharing of fake news? I think the misconception here is that just because google mines a lot of data, this means they are necessarily able to process it properly. Google has the raw resources but not the "common sense" needed to get it right.

That's where I think Apple can make all the difference, given their strength in execution relative to the rest of the competition.
 
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And what is the long term goal of autonomous vehicles, do you think? Is it to free the millions of people whose job it is to drive from their toil so they can enjoy lives of ease and culture and enjoyment? Or is it to free up even more cash that can be called profits?
And what will happen to all those people who currently drive taxis and delivery vehicles? In the not too distant future there will be vast cardboard cities of starving people, denied any chance to work, labelled as "idle workshy scum". And then, sometime after that, there will be a lot less people about. If it hasn't occurred to you yet that the model is, they take your job away, then blame you for being unemployed, then take your welfare away, you haven't been paying attention. And, with a few exceptions, there is no such thing as a job for life anymore.
 
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Maybe I'm old fashioned but I would rather drive then wait on a computer error to kill me.

Can I ride in the driver seat drunk if I'm not even driving? In the case of a computer error who would be liable for death or damages? I bet the big companies who push this tech would be as far away from liability as they could be.

Actually, Volvo has said that they will take full responsibility if their self driving car crashes due to their error. I was truly amazed to hear this.
 
And what is the long term goal of autonomous vehicles, do you think? Is it to free the millions of people whose job it is to drive from their toil so they can enjoy lives of ease and culture and enjoyment? Or is it to free up even more cash that can be called profits?
And what will happen to all those people who currently drive taxis and delivery vehicles? In the not too distant future there will be vast cardboard cities of starving people, denied any chance to work, labelled as "idle workshy scum". And then, sometime after that, there will be a lot less people about. If it hasn't occurred to you yet that the model is, they take your job away, then blame you for being unemployed, then take your welfare away, you haven't been paying attention. And, with a few exceptions, there is no such thing as a job for life anymore.

I am thinking of universal basic income, but that assumes the government can work hand in hand with businesses to take care of its own people, rather than institute a "every man for himself" mentality by keeping the status quo.

I see self-driving cars as the inevitable. Even if Apple doesn't do it, someone else will.
 
I don't think you can equate Siri with Apples self driving software. The thing that holds Siri back is Apple's privacy stance, it is a balance between data mining everything you do vs privacy, so Siri has less info to work with compared to other AI systems.

On a self driving platform they know that the system needs all the info it can get.
 
I am thinking of universal basic income, but that assumes the government can work hand in hand with businesses to take care of its own people, rather than institute a "every man for himself" mentality by keeping the status quo.
I don't know how old you are, and maybe it's just a coincidence, but some young(ish) people at work have mentioned this magical universal basic income to me on occasion but have been spectacularly unable to explain exactly how it works. Perhaps you can. Who is supposed to generate the wealth needed to distribute for free? Why exactly would these people or entities give away money for absolutely nothing in return, and keep doing so generation after generation? What exactly would these jobless people do day-in, day-out? I have a million more such questions but let's start with these simple ones for now.
 
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And this might not be a bad thing. Most of the other external vendors will be interested in harvesting the users data for $$$. Apple could offer a platform with privacy built in. The big Mfr's will do their own, but there will be a good bunch that will be behind on this.

Sure worked wonders for Microsoft and PC hardware for over 20 years. Why can't Apple get in the Autonomous Driving Market and mature carOS? Looks like China and the Didi company they invested in will be the test labs.
 
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