I'm inclined to agree. Tablet or not, you're still tied at the hip to a computer; the iPad, however great or magical it may be, cannot replace traditional PC usage for a large percentage of users. It's an add on... it augments, not replaces.
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I'm inclined to agree. Tablet or not, you're still tied at the hip to a computer; the iPad, however great or magical it may be, cannot replace traditional PC usage for a large percentage of users. It's an add on... it augments, not replaces.
Not sure why you got voted down for that.
Now that you can update the OS on the device itself it's probably a valid "computer" for people who don't want to use a computer. I find it a great laptop replacement for my needs but it can't replace my iMac or gaming PC.
He said he was pretty sure, not certain, so no source needed.
Every night I see PC World adverts selling £399 laptops with free gifts and £50 cash back, yet Apple still compete. Not to mention the recession.
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Really?
Aside from toasters (mine are still mechanical/electrical, not computerized), all of those are real computers including all iOS devices. What you guys mean are Office/Home PCs.
Computer is a very generic term.
Then of course some Android phones have more RAM, higher resolution screens and faster CPUs than iPads and therefore should be counted as "mobile PCs" as well, right? And unlike iOS, Android even comes with real file system.
I would consider that sweet success as well.
With Dell dropping by 10% and Apple growing by nearly 20% and only a 2% gap between them, it may happen soon.
Given that this chart is based on UNITS sold and not profits made, Apple is making far more money than Dell currently; which is even a better measure of success.
you can record/edit video and photos from iOS.
you can record and make real actual music from iOS.
you can print from iOS.
you can browse the internet with iOS.
you can use an external display, external keyboard with iOS.
you can play games with iOS.
you can watch/rent/buy videos/music from iOS.
you can create and present slide shows and keynotes from iOS.
What is there that you can do on a real computer that you cant do on say an iPad? Obviously with the exception of an Optical Drive and sheer power of "real" computers there is not much difference there.
The evidence is right there on the chart. The manufacturer that jumped on the netPC bandwagon fell 45% due to the iPad. That's some "statistically relevant" numbers.
Can you prove to anyone that people would need a desktop computer and a laptop? Can you prove that someone with a desktop at home really needs to take a personal laptop with them on a trip? I think this really comes down to personal preference.
I used to have a MBP but I found that I did not need to take it with me on trips once I got an iPhone 3G. I could email and search the web just fine with it saving me extra bulk to carry on the plane or through airport security. One thing that I did miss was having a larger screen but the iPad solved that problem.
I gave my MBP to my mother and now I just have an iPhone 4S and iPad 2 with me on my travels. I can do everything I need to on the iPad or iPhone and if I need to access more information, I can alway connect back home to my iMac at home whenever I need to.
An iPad will not replace your computer if you only have a laptop but it can replace the need for a laptop for portability allowing you to have a desktop at home.
Also, check out 7o7munoz7o7's post as it perfectly illustrates how you can use an iPad independent of a computer to create content.
Sure you can. You just don't want to. 10" screen alone disqualifies iPad as a PC. And there are other things like the lack of file system, missing any facilities for development/execution of applications by users.
Faster CPU? The proof is in the benchmarks, not clock speed. What about GPU performance? Higher resolution? Some of those displays are using Pentile technology which is actually a "cheat" producing fuzzy output. More ram? That's because Android is a pig. Despite the more RAM and faster clock speeds, they still have the characteristic "android lag" in the UI and they still do not have low latency audio which means that you will not see apps like Garageband or Amplitube iRig on Android anytime soon.
http://www.ikmultimedia.com/irig/features/
@samcraig: Are you really that delusional or are you simply a paid shill working for google?
@lilo777: What are you talking about there being no filesystem? It uses the same filesystem as OS X but there is a BSD jail on each third party process. Apple is implementing similar filesystem sandboxing on Mac App store guidelines. Anyone who has ever jailbroken an iOS device knows that the file system is there and exactly the same as OS X.
lilo777, I have a question for you, are you aware that Android lacks low latency audio and because of that, you cannot have guitar amps and realtime recording of music tracks on android devices?
I can't point you at a link. But it's not hard to arrive at reasonable guesses if you do a little work.
HP's personal systems group posts has an annual profit figure.
Divide that by the number of PCs sold annually and you get an average profit per device. It's reasonable to guess that the profit on a netbook is about half the average
For Apple's iPad there are two ways to go.
One is looking at the tear-down estimates of iPad build costs vs. the retail price.
The other is look at Apple's overall profitability and Apply that to the average retail price.
However you do the numbers, the profit on an iPad appears to be at least ten times the amount on a netbook.
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The largely pointless market share stat looks impressive here, but pales in significance when compared with the really useful bottom line! As with their iPhone and iPad results, Apple canes the rest when it comes to the amount of net profit they cull from sales.
Windows PC OEMs remain in a terminal race to the bottom price wise, and therefore in net profits. The result is inadequate resources to invest in R&D - and it shows, with everyone and his dog waiting for the next successful Apple design and then shamelessly trying to rip it off!
But where this process has basically taken some 30 years to reach the current situation for Windows PC manufacturers, the 20 or so mobile phone manufacturers in the Android OHA have reached almost terminal velocity in just 3 years! Interesting business model you have there Google!
HP has already killed Palm. Dell is irrelevant. RIM is struggling, Microsoft has set in motion the process that will surely kill Nokia, and Amazon doesn't have a global strategy - or release sales figures. How long before HTC, Sony, Toshiba and Samsung are the only ones left of the OHA retailing mobile devices to the west?
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Windows PC OEMs remain in a terminal race to the bottom price wise, and therefore in net profits. The result is inadequate resources to invest in R&D - and it shows, with everyone and his dog waiting for the next successful Apple design and then shamelessly trying to rip it off!
But where this process has basically taken some 30 years to reach the current situation for Windows PC manufacturers, the 20 or so mobile phone manufacturers in the Android OHA have reached almost terminal velocity in just 3 years! Interesting business model you have there Google!
HP has already killed Palm. Dell is irrelevant. RIM is struggling, Microsoft has set in motion the process that will surely kill Nokia, and Amazon doesn't have a global strategy - or release sales figures. How long before HTC, Sony, Toshiba and Samsung are the only ones left of the OHA retailing mobile devices to the west?
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After you take a breath and calm down - maybe you can explain to me what about my post was delusional or remotely pro-Google.
I'll wait here....
Your comparison is just as bad as the orginal poster's. The truth lies of course somewhere in the middle, but you IT guys seem to have a hard time accepting that.
Clear signs of cannibalization are reported from several independent sources. Would you call the collapse of the netbook market statistically relevant? You can ask Acer for an opinion if you like.
Smartphones don't qualify for obvious reasons. The differences between tablets and smartphones tell the story.
What exactly are you trying to prove? Yes, Android phones have faster CPUs (which is different from GPUs) and benchmarks show just that. There is nothing wrong with the best pentile screens. There are different types of pentile and the ones in Galaxy Note and Nexus are very sharp, better than iPhone and much much better than iPad. More RAM. No UI lag in ICF (Android 4) and this has nothing to do with the subject of this thread anyways. Same is true for Garageband. Besides, who needs it? And most people would gladly trade it for Google Navigation anyways.
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As do the tablets with castrated OSes.
You did not answer your question. You just pointed to well standard BS and bad data. Since the your input is garbage your output is garbage. Answer the original question. I provided the quote for you so do not have to go look for it.
Just going to point out your personal example proves Winni point. You still need a desktop/Laptop computer.
All something like the iPad tends to do is stop the need of buying a laptop in addition to a desktop. Or it might extend the life of a current one a little longer but it does not replace them. I do not ever see the iPad pulling that off in the tablet market. iOS is to weak and limited to replace a desktop OS. The first chances I see of a Tablet really having a chances to replace a laptop/Desktop is with Windows 8 but that is because it has the standard desktop OS built into it so it can run in that mode as needed.
Do tablets have a chance in the future doing replacing laptops/desktop maybe but not for a while. It was what around 2000's when we say people starting to go laptop only. We do know people have dumped the desktop for laptops but you have provided nothing that shows people completely dumping desktops or laptops to go iPad only.
Bit odd, is it or is it not in the top 5
It says its top 5 in the UK only and not elsewhere in Europe but still they say Top 5.
It's top 5 over the entirety of Western Europe, and also top 5 in the UK specifically.
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Do 10.1" netbooks count as PCs? Gartner DID count them as PCs, in spite of their tiny screens. The screen size, therefore, seems an arbitrary distinction.
I've used an iPad with a 50" monitor, so I guess that disqualifies your (arbtrary) disqualification.
I've used an iPad with a 50" monitor, so I guess that disqualifies your (arbtrary) disqualification.
It's possible he was referring to "stand alone" - as in out-of-box experience.