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Apple Being Sued for 'Purposefully Slowing Down Older iPhone Models' [Updated]
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An argument is not merely the automatic gainsaying of whatever the other person says.
yes it is
It was a marketing nightmare with the 6s when it started randomly shutting down. Then it was magically fixed with an update. Little did we know...
Apple has no clue how to do thermal design. This problem arose because of overheating in Apple notebooks. Once they created the throttling software they use it for everything, CPU, battery, etc. It became cheaper for Apple to continue to use it rather than doing the proper thermal or battery design. Couple that with Ive's personal, out of control, need for thin and sleek and you have Apple today. Every single one of Apple devices throttles and every single one of Apple's devices are nothing more than overpriced toys.
So get over it. Relevant to todays technology you cannot buy performant long lasting devices from Apple. Apple devices may meet your need, but you have to replace them every couple of years if you want to continue to use them.
That maybe what people expect, but its not how physics works. And personally, I don't think it should last less. I'd rather have it last the same time.
The ironic thing is, slowing the performance of the phone down to ensure that it continues to function without unexpectedly shutting down would seem to me to be an attempt by Apple to ensure people can use their devices for longer. If your device consistently shuts down as a result of a degraded battery, you are much more likely to replace it than if it simply got a little slower.
Yes but what if you kept your iPhone 6 pristine in a drawer then bought it out 3 years latter only to have Apple say "let's reduce the battery/CPU on that bad boy"?
So batteries should just last forever at peak performance? Apple can't control a battery degrading. So they adjusted their software so that the phone could last longer.
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I guess prior to the 6, phones would just stop working.
I just found out that "battery life" is on at the top of the list of search in App store, a lot of people are downloading those apps to find out how good their battery is.
Apple using aged iPhone 6 as an example in its defense is going to be a bad move. Lot of carriers still selling brand new iPhone 6 phones.
New processors have more parallel processing capability than the old ones. There is no need to slow down to protect battery.
Apple should know they are not the only computer science experts in the world.
New processors have more parallel processing capability than the old ones. There is no need to slow down to protect battery.
Apple should know they are not the only computer science experts in the world.
not all of us drink the kool-aid. , some of us dont want a phone with features from 2015.
Hmm. Not as if Apple is short of resources - they should do the job of supporting their hardware and software as they used to do. People on this forum constantly harp about how much money Apple is making, then moan when they might need to reinvest some of that money into the business rather than further enrich upper management/exec's.
You are confusing a DEFECTIVE battery (yours) and an older battery that has DEGRADED (what Apple is claiming will cause your iPhone to shutdown).
When cells go bad, you will get that sudden jump from 60 to 30%, for example. But that is not what Apple is addressing.
In your case, what effect would Apple lowering speed of your phone had on your defective battery? Would it still nose dive at 60%? Would it still die shortly thereafter? Yes, because your battery was defective.
Two different issues in my book.
Thank goodness! Maybe things really are getting better. How can we get in on this lawsuit? I want my 3GS and 4 to have new batteries because they are slow as molasses and take forever to charge...
I wholeheartedly agree. The battery was the major pain point for me when I had the iPhone 6, starting just after 12 months of use. The battery did exactly as you described -- show that the battery was at a certain charge level and then as soon as I plugged it in, the charge level would jump anywhere from 5 to 30%. Something was clearly wrong. I lived with that, though, because it was more of an annoyance than anything else.
What I couldn't live with (and what made me get rid of the phone) was after 2 years of use, the phone would have an almost full charge and then suddenly turn off. The only way to get it to turn back on again would be to plug it into power. When the phone came back on, it would show that the battery almost exactly at the charge level it displayed when the phone died (which was almost always >80%).
Apple didn't have a battery replacement program for the 6 -- only the 6s -- which was a shame because there were seemingly a ton of iPhone 6's out there that were exhibiting the same problems that the 6s battery replacement program addressed. It seems to me that instead of addressing faulty batteries, Apple instead opted to handle these issues with software.
My iPhone 7 has yet to display any of the same battery characteristics that my iPhone 6 did. I guess I'll never know if that's because the battery is actually a little better in the 7 or if the things Apple is doing with the software are mitigating the shortcomings of the hardware.
There is zero evidence that anything close to this is happening. Heck, is there even evidence that there is any performance throttling above, eg, 50% charge level in a reasonably warm environment? At room temperature, my iPhone 6 never shut down above maybe 25% charge level and never above 50% charge level in sub-zero temperatures (sub-zero in regard to Celsius). Thus, I wouldn't expect Apple to throttle the CPU above those thresholds.
Indeed it is....no one is saying anything different; I am certainly not, but a Phone that cannot operate at full speed when the battery losing its charge is another. The battery losing its ability to hold a charge is one thing, but when a phone tries an intensive activity and the battery cannot discharge enough power causing the phone to shutdown is another. All well and good claiming you have the most efficient, fastest processes in the industry and you have to throttle them to 30% just to be able to operate!
CPUDasherX, unfortunately it is no longer free. They started charging for it once this issue was discovered a couple weeks ago. Macrumors recommended the app when they posted the article mentioning the slowdowns.
See last paragraph in this article
https://www.macrumors.com/2017/12/11/alleged-throttling-old-iphones-battery-controversy/
Lol, it is now one of the top 10 paid apps in the apple store
When you installed the upgrade you did. The solution is simple - don't upgrade iOS and you will retain everything you got when you bought the phone.
I never said this. I think you are confused about the difference between capacity retention and impedance growth.
We all know this. This is what this thread is about. I think it was a good move on their part. They should just have been more transparent.
Also, they need to hire some better battery cell design engineers because they clearly fudged up on the iphone 6s and 7.
I'm willing to bet the iPhone 8 cells have a smaller capacity than the 7 (1.821Ah v. 1.96) partly because it is designed to operate at higher current densities; which would decrease the volumetric energy density. I would be curious to see dimensions on the two cells.
Why? why don't you believe you have the right to run a product into the ground if that's how you see fit? Why this dumb thinking "Apple knows best"?
Then it needed a beefier battery to accommodate the hardware design (don't worry so much about "thin"). It is interesting that, at least with laptop hardware, newer processors actually are MORE energy efficient than older ones, or at least offer much more bang per buck and with less heat.
The story behind "throttlegate" is basically consumer greed. I'd like some cheese (money) to go with my whine. Whenever consumers smell some free money on the horizon, they sure can kick up a lot of unnecessary sand. By the time the lawyers get their cut of the settlement, the plaintiffs will get about $10 apiece and very little satisfaction. It's seems somewhat odd that this battery depletion problem has gained such huge momentum. Samsung and Alphabet must be paying some people an awful lot of money to go after Apple. I know iPhone X is severely butt-hurting the Android community but this type of retaliation is just going to waste a lot of court time and very little compensation will be gained from it.