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If you've got some line of reasoning to justify buying an overpriced, underperforming product, I'm listening.

First you need to justify the notion that it's overpriced and underperforming.

I'm willing to bet if they made some ultimately trivial change to the exterior, you would have no complaints, even though it had no effect on either price or performance.
 
Well, there's no way I'm rewarding Apple with my hard earned $$ for that sad show. 15 months, they could have at least put a damn 3.8" screen in the thing and kept 'retina'. Their arrogance is showing badly and I hope it bites them in the ass.

I love my iPhone and iOS, but I'm walking. 3.5" screen in this day and age is an embarrassment. Funny how AT&T just happens to have the SGS2 ripe for the picking.
 
First you need to justify the notion that it's overpriced and underperforming.
Read the sentence after the one you just quoted. Or go read any technology blog out there (unless, of course, you think that technical specs have an anti-Apple bias).

I'm willing to bet if they made some ultimately trivial change to the exterior, you would have no complaints, even though it had no effect on either price or performance.
Uh, no.
 
For today's presentation:

Win: Scott Forstall and Eddie Cue
Fail: Tim Cook, Bob Mansfield, Johnny Ive

Basically I'm speaking to the software aspect vs hardware. iOS 5, iCloud, and Siri are pretty awesome but the hardware and design is lackluster....
 
Well this is just my thought i really think apple blew this big time they have had 12 months to come up with a new design new screen size at least 4" and all they come up with is speed bump and better camera,i know it will be a great product and great battery life etc but with wp7 just released mango and with androids ics just around the corner apple is going to loose many loyal customers in my opinion anyway.I had the 3g then the 3gs i really wanted a bigger screen so i went to Android a few months ago, the only real thing i miss from the iphone is the great battery life.Don't bash me for going Android im not posting to say how great Android is but in the real world people really do want a bigger screen than 3.5 " the Iphone is a great product but they could have made it great....
 
What's disconcerting is nobody I know with a 3GS wants to upgrade. That says a lot.

For the first time since the original launch, they aren't viewed as the industry leader. Hopefully they'll catch up next year.
 
What's disconcerting is nobody I know with a 3GS wants to upgrade. That says a lot.

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It says they are stupid, because even the iPhone 4 blows away the 3GS. If they like their iPhone 3GS, they will go crazy for the 4 or 4S. My wife has a 3GS and she would step over my dead body to get my iPhone 4.
 
For the first time since the original launch, they aren't viewed as the industry leader. Hopefully they'll catch up next year.
They're still the industry leader, just see what Sprint did earlier this week. The difference is that Apple is an industry leader who no longer offers the premium product, at least in terms of hardware. It's kind of what RIM went through in the last 5 years, on a much lesser scale (Apple's not exactly about to crumble because their phone isn't objectively superior).


It says they are stupid, because even the iPhone 4 blows away the 3GS. If they like their iPhone 3GS, they will go crazy for the 4 or 4S. My wife has a 3GS and she would step over my dead body to get my iPhone 4.

As long as you're willing to switch your OS, there are other phones. Android and even W7 are viable mobile OS's now. This isn't 2009.
 
It says they are stupid, because even the iPhone 4 blows away the 3GS. If they like their iPhone 3GS, they will go crazy for the 4 or 4S. My wife has a 3GS and she would step over my dead body to get my iPhone 4.
Or they just don't want to upgrade their 3GS to half ass phone from iphone 4 like an idiot and just wait for iphone 5, or move on to Android phone.

¯\(°_0)/¯
 
I think Apple blew it by essentially offering a "incremental upgrade" version of the iPhone 4.

Meanwhile, the Samsung Galaxy S II has become a huge hit worldwide, everyone is waiting for the first phones from Samsung, HTC and Motorola that run Android 4.0 ("Ice Cream Sandwich"), and Apple's decision on an "incremental upgrade" phone has opened the door for Windows Phone 7.5 ("Mango") based cellphones to be surprisingly successful, especially the upcoming Nokia N9 variant that will run "Mango" due in a few weeks.
 
The original iPad was a larger 3GS. Now the 4S is a smaller, underpowered iPad2. wtf Apple? Upgrade to 1gb of RAM at least.
 
Think about it. Apple is basically subsidizing all kinds of costs associated with keeping the same design as the iPhone 4. All that machinery and tooling used to produce casings and glass etc. etc. is expensive for Apple as well as their partners (Foxconn etc.) to purchase and assemble on lines. In order to keep the high margins Apple is known for they've got to minimize changes and keep to a 2 year cycle much like they do with their Mac line of computers. Intel does the same thing with their processors and it's referred in the industry as a "tick/tock" cadence. Tick being the 4, tock being an incremental improvement the 4s. We all hate it, but until Apple sees real competition in the smartphone arena in terms of % profit they'll continue to rest on their hardware laurels on the 2 year cycle.
 
It almost feels like all of Apple's employees went and focus on making Siri.

iOS staff: When I say "wasup", should that be translated to "what's up" or keep it spelled "wasup"? How about the million ways someone can ask about the weather? We can't keep up trying to make Siri recognize everything....
Scott Forstall: Oh shoot, looks like we got a mess of crap to deal with, get the entire hardware team over and figure this out. Block off their entire 2011 calendar for this.
 
I think the decision to not give it a bigger screen or redesign is because they have millions upon millions of customers on Verizon and now Sprint that have never had an iphone or have had one on AT&T for years.

All these people will buy the iphone 4 no matter what once there contracts are up and apple knows this. There is no reason for them to do a huge overhaul of the phone yet when there are literally millions upon millions more that will still buy the same one just slightly upgraded...
 
Think about it. Apple is basically subsidizing all kinds of costs associated with keeping the same design as the iPhone 4. All that machinery and tooling used to produce casings and glass etc. etc. is expensive for Apple as well as their partners (Foxconn etc.) to purchase and assemble on lines. In order to keep the high margins Apple is known for they've got to minimize changes and keep to a 2 year cycle much like they do with their Mac line of computers. Intel does the same thing with their processors and it's referred in the industry as a "tick/tock" cadence. Tick being the 4, tock being an incremental improvement the 4s. We all hate it, but until Apple sees real competition in the smartphone arena in terms of % profit they'll continue to rest on their hardware laurels on the 2 year cycle.

Which is a solid business plan that will keep them well in the black, and begs the question, why the stock dip? The 4S is still going to sell like hotcakes, AND it's a safer financial move. How could shareholders not love this move?
 
I'm in!

I was hopeing Apple would show a little leg today!....I am disapointed that they didn't. However, I didn't pick up a i4 last year because of antenagate...etc...I'm ready to pass my 3Gs to wifey and jump enthusiastically to 4s and put her 3G in the drawer as a spare!...:D
 
Which is a solid business plan that will keep them well in the black, and begs the question, why the stock dip? The 4S is still going to sell like hotcakes, AND it's a safer financial move. How could shareholders not love this move?

1) Apple's stock is quite possibly overpriced
2) People are stupid. There isn't always a good reason for stock prices to dip (see: everyone who made a killing buying Toyota stock during the brakes "scandal")
 
call me crazy, but i don't think Apple is too concerned with the minuscule population of cell phone geeks that are overly-concerned with having a larger screen and 4G. when everything is said and done the 4S will replace the 4 as the top-selling smartphone.

Yup. People in here are not mainstream. Wait till the end of Dec sales figures.

You Crazy person. :apple:
 
I'm willing to bet the 3.5" display sticks around for a long, long time. Better get used to it, kids.
 
I'm willing to bet the 3.5" display sticks around for a long, long time. Better get used to it, kids.
LOL, nope. Some of the people don't have to stick with that piss poor small size screen when they bail to Android phones.
 
I think the iPhone4S is one of the biggest disappointments in Tech industry in recent years, after the longest delay between iPhone releases in history, they had an extra 5 months to really knock out a home run, but instead they release a iPhone4-1/4. I am still in shock, thinking there must be the "real" iPhone5 out there somewhere, that Steve Jobs will send out a mass e-mail; "Oh yeah, one more thing we forgot to show you, BAM the iPhone5", but sadly then I woke up.

Where is;

- Larger screen ?
- 4G ?
- NFC ?
- thinner and lighter ?
- Widgets ?
- LED Notification Light ?

If Apple came out with redesigned iPhone5 with all those features I would leave Android and go back to Apple again. Now no thanks, bring on the Nexus-Prime.

First 'Nexus Prime' photo leak shows buttonless device with 720p display w/320 DPI.
http://www.androidcentral.com/first-nexus-prime-photo-leak-shows-buttonless-device-720p-display
 
Don't panic guys. We just didn't see 4S in live and you already begin to resent. Wait for 14th October. I think new iPhone is a cool thing!
We aren't panicking. We are fed up. we already know what 4s is going to be like, what's the point of waiting until the actual release date? Some people have already bought their Android phone today.
 
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