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apple blew it

SurferMan said:
Ok, so when I heard about the new antenna and system giving 4G like speeds I thought cool, that makes me a bit happier vs other updates as that's all I really cared about since 3G browsing is slow when out. Now this get's released :mad:

http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news04/2011/09/insider-predicts-october-iphone-5-release.html

Apple demonstrated fast new 14.4 Mbps data downloads that technically put the new iPhone 4S in the realm of 4G LTE competitors, but US residents won't benefit much from the increased potential because domestic carriers don't support it.

So they brag about how the phone will give users 4G like experience, and now it's found out that doesn't matter since it's not supported by U.S. networks. So while Droids and other phones can work on 4G/hspa+ across almost the entire U.S., iphone 4s users will still be stuck on slow 3G speeds..... talk about f'n fail right there, really makes no sense why they didn't enable hspa+ when AT&T offers it basically everywhere.
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Wouldn't that be classed as false advertising, claiming that it offers speeds of 14.4 Mbps when in reality it doesn't because US phone carriers don't support it.

I actually feel sorry for US mobile phone users in that always get screwed over, whether it's the price per month with a contract phone, the constant changing of the rules in a contract, etc. At least in the UK, we have decent contracts available at decent prices and you're allowed to haggle when you're upgrading through the operators' Upgrades departments (I got a GREAT deal when upgrading including a reduced price per month, an upgrade to 1GB on my mobile Internet plus a reduced price on using certain numbers on my mobile by using my minutes instead of paying a seperate charge)
 
As disappointed as I am (and that's a lot), I do see that Apple was in a bit of a tight spot. It would have been a stretch to roll out an LTE iPhone this year due to the chip situation (not coverage which is actually broader than most people credit).

Pushing the 4S to October got our hopes up a bit high. They should have released it in July and we'd all have been fine with that and the resulting expectation of a 5 in July 2012. Now we're looking at another year of no true 4G iPhone and that does open a window for the other brands to steal market share.
 
jasvncnt said:
See heres the thing...if you noticed you talked about what "you" have or what "you" want and dont want. Everyone is different and want different things for their device. Does it look like the iphone 4s is a great device? Sure. Is it worth an upgrade? For me, nope. My problem is I get very bored quickly and like to always get something new. And that's where I am. I'm bored of the iphone. Cant blame the phone I would be bored of any phone I have had more then a year. That's just me.
I'm sure a lot of people will purchase the new iphone if that's what they want and then they should.

Explain this, why if someone says they wanted more so are going to try Android...why do some of you act like your being personally insulted? If someone wants to go to Android, let em. Iphone is not the only phone out there. And if this is it for the iphone for another year, there will be many more options from other markets to look at until then. I know some of you feel the iphone is the best but others may not agree. And that argument with its the number one selling phone blah blah blah doesn't cut it.
I may be switching over to Android so I can see whats on the other side. Sure there are trade offs...would be the same going from Android to iphone.
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You make a lot of very valid points there similar to what I have said with previous posts in this thread, unfortunately a lot of people here aren't willing to accept that people are willing to move over to Android because the new iPhone isn't the revolutionary improvement that people were expecting.

I know I definitely won't ever buy one because it doesn't wow me unlike my previous phones which were Windows Mobile ones (I hate Windows Phone as it doesn't 'wow' me unlike Windows Mobile did) and yet with Android, I've seen the light when it comes to smartphones. I can do whatever I want to do with it (within reason). I can watch anime fansubs and live-action movies/tv shows without converting them, I can get apps which in some cases can outdo what's available in the App Store, I can even get games that you usually pay for on iOS for free such as Zenonia 3. I can do a lot of things with it that I don't have to jump through bloody hoops to do or jailbreak Apple's phone for.

At least for the most part, the phones that use Android are revolutionary unlike Apple's latest which hasn't evolved much since the last one came out.

I know my views may be seen by some as controversial, but at least they're MY views and if people don't like them and choose to be insulting to me because they knew my views were valid ones and they were wrong, so be it!
 
Wow...

I think for most people if they would have put a 4" screen on a piece of junk everyone would have been happy.

The upgrade was solid...and it's more than just about a phone - it's about an eco-system.

I can't wait for photostream myself. And I can't see anyone that can call themselves a nerd couldn't possibly find Siri anything but intriguing.

I can appreciate that Android and the Windows Phone 7 are decent alternatives but it gets so old coming to the forums sometimes and hearing Android this and Android that - it's a shame that there can't be a decent conversation over a newly released Apple product on an Apple forum without really stupid comments about how this is why Job's left, and Android rulz and Apple suxors...

Apple is not doomed...and this is not why Jobs left....and I'm sure alot of people said something along the same lines when Jobs was still there, except that it was Jobs is losing a step...do people not get tired of saying the same thing every time Apple releases something? Do people get tired of being wrong? Or is it one of those things where if you say something enough times something is bound to be right some day?
 
are the people upset, upset because they like to buy a new phone every cycle and this doesnt have the upgrades they want? or are they upset becasue they held out on the iphone 4 thinking the next one would be that much better?


so there was no guarantees of any 4 inch screen so what technologies did apple not add to the already great iphone 4?


everyone was chubbing over how great the iphone 4 was 16 months ago, now they gave it some steroids(aka new processor) better camera, better battery and now it sucks?
 
Bobby Corwen said:
A simple upgrade is not OK because there is a level of precedent set in todays market.

So if they wanted to wow us like they have in the past, they would have had to make the next reasonable step after all this time.

2008 - Wowed us.
2009 - Wowed us.
2010 - Wowed us.
2011 - Dissapointed us.

Thats the pattern people are talking about. Relative to whats going on with other competitors, it was not the goodies we expected.
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What exactly 'wowed' you with the 3GS release in 2009? :confused:
It was simply a feature-bumped iPhone 3G: faster, better camera, etc.

Wait a minute, that sounds familiar. :)
 
And it's amazing how much people who think of themselves as tech aficionados are such slaves to fashion. Put the same phone in a different form factor and everybody's fine with it. But since it doesn't look any different, it's A MAJOR FAIL OMG OMG. "How am I supposed to show off if the phone looks the same?"
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Ain't that the truth. If they put the 4S in a slightly different case and called it the iPhone 5 everybody would be singing its praises, go figure.
 
And for all the stock aficiandos that seem to think that Apple's stock price determines what is cool and whether the markets love the announcement and whether Apple is completely doomed - news update - Apple is up over 5-6 dollars today so it's cool again and the iPhone 4S is now the device to have....
 
I'm gonna have to agree and chime in with the underwhelmed side.

The keynote was boring.

- No updates worth talking about to the iPod lines

- A complete re-hash of iOS5 / iCloud features from WWDC 2011

- two crappy new iOS5 features: cards and find my friends

- Then after sitting through all that for an hour we get a slightly spec bumped iPhone 4. But wait, it has the magical and revolutionary Siri! If it works anything as well as voice recognition does on the curent iPhone 4 it's going to get the same amount of use I'd imagine - none.

I seriously think when Siri get's into the hands of customers in the real world (e.g. background noise, people not familiar with commands it accepts - or signal drops) it's gonna frustrate more than delight. Of any of the times I've tried to use iPhone4's voice dialing it picks the wrong person entirely and I have to scramble to rip my phone out of my pocket because it decided to call my accountant on a friday night at 10pm instead of my friend who I'm meant to be meeting.

Looking at the current Android handsets I was at least expecting a bigger screen. As nice as the retina is on iPhone 4, it really needs to up the game.

Not any innovation going on as far as I can see. Was expecting something new considering the unusually long wait for the iPhone refresh. People forget that 3GS was only a year - not 16mths after 3G came out.

Hope this is not a sign of things to come with Captain Cook at the helm...
 
iisforiphone said:
everyone was chubbing over how great the iphone 4 was 16 months ago, now they gave it some steroids(aka new processor) better camera, better battery and now it sucks?
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Um..with time, technology expectations increase. I great CRT TV looked pretty bad when Plasma came out. The technology of the SmartPhone market has increased at an extremely rapid pace over the last 16 months and is exploding in the next 3-6 month. The iPhone 4S does NOT keep pace with that, especially in 3-6 months time. No 4G LTE, no 4"+ screen, no NPS, no 1 GB RAM (probably), no thinner / lighter form factor. Everybody is doing Retina in 3 months. The only advantage the iPhone has is it's ecosystem - but as HARDWARE goes, it's an old school disappointing phone.

Simple really. ;)

Tony
 
Tones2 said:
Um..with time, technology expectations increase. I great CRT TV looked pretty bad when Plasma came out. The technology of the SmartPhone market has increased at an extremely rapid pace over the last 16 months and is exploding in the next 3-6 month. The iPhone 4S does NOT keep pace with that, especially in 3-6 months time. No 4G LTE, no 4"+ screen, no NPS, no 1 GB RAM (probably), no thinner / lighter form factor. Everybody is doing Retina in 3 months. The only advantage the iPhone has is it's ecosystem - but as HARDWARE goes, it's an old school disappointing phone.

Simple really. ;)

Tony
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Yup Tony. I agree. Apple has a reputation for innovating in hardware. This was not what everyone expected after a 16mth wait. Speech recognition and throwing an A5 processor (that's already 6mths old) into an iPhone 4.

Meh. Apple not leading the pack or innovating on the hardware front now. They could have just released iOS5 and not bothered with the spec bump for what it was worth if you ask me.
 
Tones2 said:
Um..with time, technology expectations increase. I great CRT TV looked pretty bad when Plasma came out. The technology of the SmartPhone market has increased at an extremely rapid pace over the last 16 months and is exploding in the next 3-6 month. The iPhone 4S does NOT keep pace with that, especially in 3-6 months time. No 4G LTE, no 4"+ screen, no NPS, no 1 GB RAM (probably), no thinner / lighter form factor. Everybody is doing Retina in 3 months. The only advantage the iPhone has is it's ecosystem - but as HARDWARE goes, it's an old school disappointing phone.

Simple really. ;)

Tony
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4G LTE is not offered by every carrier, apple is not making products for 1 carrier,

4" sure some wanted it but i dont think apple will lower its resolution even by 1dpi jsut to have a screen thats already been done

1GB RAM well probably means we dont know so lets skip that for now

no thinner form factor - maybe true but the current design is pretty thing not sure thats a deal breaker

again the 4s might not be good enough for most to upgrade from the 4 but its still a great phone
 
The 4S is the iPhone 4 experience improved in almost every way. I do not see how that is a disappointment. It is arguably the best phone available today and factually the most popular phone in the world. If the 4S improves on that... count me in for two.

And yes, I would have loved a bigger screen and LTE, but if that meant a larger device profile and/or sacrificing battery life I say no thank you.
 
I'm not sure if this could be a cause of disappointment but I think a lot of people are disappointed because Steve Jobs wasn't there! I mean, for the past years, Steve Jobs had been the one presenting the revolutionary stuff.

There is something special about him that makes everyone go crazy whether it's a small thing or not. I do believe that, if Steve Jobs had been the one to present the phone, people wouldn't complain as much :p
He would've, for example, Siri much more grand than what it is.

I don't think all these stuff they've improved are minor change, it's just that it wasn't Steve Jobs that told us xD
 
MigThePlane said:
I'm not sure if this could be a cause of disappointment but,
for the past years, Steve Jobs has been the one presenting the revolutionary stuff. There is something special about him that makes everyone go crazy whether it's a small thing or not. I do believe that, if Steve Jobs had been the one to present the phone, people wouldn't complain as much :p
He would've, for example, Siri much more grand than what it is.
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I totally agree with this...

I think the update was good...I think the presentation of the update was not as good.

I think the key to Steve's RDF was that when you watched him it looked like he genuinely loved whatever he was presenting and that if he wasn't the head of the company he'd wait in line to get it.

When Steve presented he didn't look like he was the CEO of the company - yesterday - it looked like 3 VP's and a CEO introduced their products.
 
gloomcookie1 said:
I totally agree with this...

I think the update was good...I think the presentation of the update was not as good.

I think the key to Steve's RDF was that when you watched him it looked he genuinely loved whatever he was presenting and that if he wasn't the head of the company he'd wait in line to get it.

When Steve presented he didn't look like he was the CEO of the company - yesterday - it looked like 3 VP's and a CEO introduced their products.
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Exactly! You really noticed Steve Jobs enthusiasm. Now when I watch the keynote, Tim Cook's lines sounded scripted and unnatural...

Though, I do accept the fact that Steve Jobs wouldn't be the CEO forever and I thought that MAYBE Tim Cook could reach his level (just maybe). I was so disappointed, you only saw Tim Cook, what? twice?
 
even though i am not particularly excited as i would be with the 4S i can certainly say that Apple and their Iphones basically competes with itself. Its about brand name and customer preference/loyalty versus getting in and racing with the rest. This was expressed by Steve Jobs when the IPAD 2 came out...he said that they were not interested in winning to race to Space but taking over Earth while others were competing.

This can be easily compared to other brands that have both quality and the same kind of relationships with customers...lets say BMW. BMW only changes their car models every 6-8 years unlike other brands that change every 2-3 years. Yes they upgrade their models every year with a few newer nicer things but basically its the same car.

Android phones are almost dispossable units where it is meant for a fan base that wants to change their phone 1-2 times every year because 2 days after your latest phone came out a better one comes out that makes yours old and not top of the line. This is why you rarely see people with old android phones walking around like people do with their 3GS and some even still use the 3G (those who dont care about updating ios and just use it for what it was released).

I switched to a SGSI last year and i have to say i loved it the first 3 months but after having to flash 10 different ROMS....buy up 2 batteries...buy up 2 chargers...downloading 5 apps from the Android market in order to find a quality app that looks more like an iphone app...i decided to sell it and swith back to my Iphone4 and i haven't looked back for a second. I even had someone let me use their SGSII a few days ago and it was blaaah...to me. Shiny...light...thin...big screen...same old android OS that looks good but still seems plastic.
 
gloomcookie1 said:
I totally agree with this...

I think the update was good...I think the presentation of the update was not as good.

I think the key to Steve's RDF was that when you watched him it looked like he genuinely loved whatever he was presenting and that if he wasn't the head of the company he'd wait in line to get it.

When Steve presented he didn't look like he was the CEO of the company - yesterday - it looked like 3 VP's and a CEO introduced their products.
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It's an interesting point. Steve, of course had something that none of the others could ever have in being part of the start of Apple.

I think he also genuinely believed heart and soul in Apple products, and wanted them to be the best on the planet.

The CEO has a big impact on people's perception of the company. I wonder if things will change now that Steve has gone.

At the very least, I'm not getting an iphone 4S, Steve *might* have convinced me
 
GekiRed said:
I have no problem with people loving Apple products, it's just the Apple trolls that I can't stand who can't accept that there are other products out there which do a job way better than Apple's products.
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Can't you see the irony in what you've said? Maybe you did it on purpose, in which case....erm lol? :confused:

Better is subjective, better for you... not better for me.
 
....and...AT&T has its STRONGEST 12 hour sales period for an iPhone EVER! 200,000 units...in 12 hours.

Apple blew it, indeed. :rolleyes:
 
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