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Doctors are ok, but they don't make things. In fact it's engineers who design the medical equipment that make doctors so "heroic" these days.

As much as i respect all the professions, I have to say something about your comment.

Doctors don't rely on the so called equipment to diagnose a disease. 75% of diagnosis can be confirmed alone by the skill and knowledge of a doctor.

You do not understand the responsibility of a doctor. If you (as an engineer) did something wrong, you lose money/job at worst case scenario. As a doctor, you lose a patient's precious life.

We never think ourselves heroic or anything like this. That's just what outsider think we are.
 
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KingCrimson said:
Doctors are ok, but they don't make things. In fact it's engineers who design the medical equipment that make doctors so "heroic" these days.

As much as i respect all the professions, I have to say something about your comment.

Doctors don't rely on the so called equipment to diagnose a disease. 75% of diagnosis can be confirmed alone by the skill and knowledge of a doctor.

You do not understand the responsibility of a doctor. If you (as an engineer) did something wrong, you lose money/job at worst case scenario. As a doctor, you lose a patient's precious life.

We never think ourselves heroic or anything like this. That's just what outsider think we are.

That's not necessarily true.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_Shuttle_Challenger_disaster
 
What?

"Apple is quietly denying requests for employee vacations...".

Does Apple loudly approve requests for employee vacations at other times? Of course not. Please, we're all adults ... no need to make this sound so dramatic.
 
Exactly. I don't understand why people who call the next iPhone the 4S think that next year we will get an iPhone 5. It will be the 6th phone, why would Apple call it the iPhone 5. Makes no sense.
There are a lot of idiots on the Internet. And I mean a lot.

Apple will soon announce the iPhone 5, with the A5 chip, running iOS 5. Because it's simple and that's the Apple way.

Anyone who believes otherwise fundamentally does not understand Apple Inc. (and Steve Jobs).
 
that's why i respect all profession

and it is not fair to say which profession is the noblest. All professions have their own difficulty and duty that other profession cannot understand.
 
You mean to Europe where unemployment is exploding?

Depends on the country you would live in.

USA: about 10% unemployed
Holland: About 4.3% unemployed

Hmm.. better insured, more free time, less chance on lay offs, better payment, better quality of life.
Yes higher gas prices, taxes, house costs bla bla bla.
Choose one.
 
Looks like mid October date is the definite launch date then. Which means that Oct 4th event date is looking more and more likely! That's good news for all of us indeed.

Let's hope there won't be major pre-order shortages for the iPhone 5... or else I might have to camp out for the first time!
 
Depends on the country you would live in.

USA: about 10% unemployed
Holland: About 4.3% unemployed

Hmm.. better insured, more free time, less chance on lay offs, better payment, better quality of life.
Yes higher gas prices, taxes, house costs bla bla bla.
Choose one.

I wonder why 2-8 million people migrate to the USA every year (small sample, it only covers the past 50 years) while between 0 and 200,000 people migrate to the Netherlands annually.

Probably because everything is so much better in Holland.

Last year 100K moved to Holland, and 5 million moved to the USA.

That's a lot of people voting with their feet. The USA has a LOT of problems, but it remains one of the greatest generators of wealth and living standards in the history of the world. Holland is unlikely to ever join that list.
 
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that's why i respect all profession

and it is not fair to say which profession is the noblest. All professions have their own difficulty and duty that other profession cannot understand.

As a history/government/education major (hey, liberal arts all the way, what do you know..), I'm in line with this. I know that most engineers couldn't write for the common user if their lives depended on it, and that's why you have technical writers (mostly liberal arts majors). I'm sick of people dogging on lib. arts majors, and let's also be honest, every other profession without an advanced degree in math or science. Yes, those areas are definitely underrepresented in the United States, but there's nothing wrong with people that choose a different profession, either.

Depends on the country you would live in.

USA: about 10% unemployed
Holland: About 4.3% unemployed

Hmm.. better insured, more free time, less chance on lay offs, better payment, better quality of life.
Yes higher gas prices, taxes, house costs bla bla bla.
Choose one.

Also, yes, Holland does have those benefits. They also are benefitting from the military might of the United States. It helps that Holland doesn't need to sink as much money into their military as the US does. And before you say anything, realize that I am completely in favor of a much smaller military for the US, but we'd still outspend Holland by leaps and bounds. As for social issues, the US needs to have an awakening when it comes to wealth. There's no reason that the average income only grew 27% in the last 30 years for the middle class but grew over 400% for the top 1%. Knowledge of history and government (both liberal arts!) are important to awaken the average Joe to realize how bad of a deal they are getting today.

Now that my high horse is getting tired, I'll also add that I'm really looking forward to the iPhone 5, even though I have a 4. This has been the worse iPhone of the lot, and I miss my 1st gen iPhone's build quality. This thing is crap, save the metallic volume buttons. By far the worse iPhone I've purchased (since I'm now on my 5th refurbed model due to errors in the previous devices).

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Last year 100K moved to Holland, and 5 million moved to the USA.

That's a lot of people voting with their feet, friendo. The USA has a LOT of problems, but it remains one of the greatest generators of living standards in the history of the world.

Just wanted to add some context to your stats. Holland's total population is about 5% of what the USA's is (16~ mil), so by comparison, that 100k people moved there is a bigger percentage than you're giving it credit for. True, the migration % to the USA is still twice that of Holland, but considering the size of the USA and the dismal state of Mexico right next door, I would expect that many people to move here, even if our economy is in the toilet.

One of my favorite things to tell my students is never to leave a number naked in science, and never leave a number without context in social studies.
 
Just wanted to add some context to your stats. Holland's total population is about 5% of what the USA's is (16~ mil), so by comparison, that 100k people moved there is a bigger percentage than you're giving it credit for. True, the migration % to the USA is still twice that of Holland, but considering the size of the USA and the dismal state of Mexico right next door, I would expect that many people to move here, even if our economy is in the toilet.

One of my favorite things to tell my students is never to leave a number naked in science, and never leave a number without context in social studies.

True, but the USA got to be large because of lots of immigration, as it was smaller than Holland once. So I think you should think about what impact a large population (USA) has on the size of immigration.

While the impact of immigration on a country must be measured against its size, the fact that that many people are banging down the doors of the USA every year (lets be honest, 5x that would come if we allowed them) doesn't really have anything to do with the population of that country.

Migrants come to a country because there are opportunities there, not because it's large or small. The USA needs to do a lot to fix how it handles the masses of people who want to come there, but as of now, and until we manage to screw it up (we're working on it), we're the goal of most migrants in the world.

As to your other post - it must be nice for most of the rest of the world to have not had to spend practically any money on self-defense over the past 40 years. I'm with you, it would be great if the USA started spending a bit less on that and let the rest of the world spend their own cash to defend themselves. If you add up all the expenditures over the decades it's really astounding. Sadly while it bought the world stability for 40 years, and tremendous growth as a result, it didn't but the USA any friends in the end.
 
I disagree that 5x the numbers would pour into the USA if allowed; I think that might have been the case years ago, but today we are not that attractive based on our own economic state. Population does matter, and the only reason the USA could grow as it had in the last 200 years really was the vast resources and nearly unlimited (for the time) land opportunities. Comparing that to Europe is like comparing Apples to Oranges; the Netherlands have been relatively stable for the last 400 years in size, so the fact they attracted, as a percentage of their own population, even half the rate that the USA did is saying something. Opportunities are directly linked with population size; smaller populations (and shrinking ones, like Japan) do not attract large numbers of opportunities the same way.
 
What about the politicians who create the laws that enable scientists to do their jobs? :D

I'd argue more for mathematicians next, haha. Let's not go making politics a noble profession. Scientists would exist regardless of the government.
 
I'd argue more for mathematicians next, haha. Let's not go making politics a noble profession. Scientists would exist regardless of the government.

Just a joke, there's always another "what about..." And I don't think anyone would argue that politicians are noble right now, given the US' situation, aha.
 
There are a lot of idiots on the Internet. And I mean a lot.

Apple will soon announce the iPhone 5, with the A5 chip, running iOS 5. Because it's simple and that's the Apple way.

Anyone who believes otherwise fundamentally does not understand Apple Inc. (and Steve Jobs).
To disagree with you does not make someone an idiot. Apple's 2nd iPhone was the iPhone 3G. Its 3rd phone was the iPhone 3GS. There was no significant change in the form factor, and no change in the numeric designation. This could easily happen again. In fact, with the "S" designation having been added to the 3G to signify the internal upgrade while maintaining the same exterior, one could suggest that a precedent has been set suggesting that the coming iPhone should be called the 4S, if Apple is to remain consistent with its naming scheme. And at some point, Apple will have to stop giving the iPhone a new numeric designation every year (iPhone 11 in 2017, anyone?). Now I'm not saying that the next phone will be designated the 4S, I'm just saying that you could have a valid argument either way.
 
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