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Apple Blocks Adobe's Flash-to-iPhone Compiler in Latest SDK Agreement

Mac_Freak said:
So, your suggestion to Apple is to buy Adobe for couple billion dollars. Throw in the trash what ever they have bought from Adobe and start from scratch.

I hope nobody is seriously taking your business advices.
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No, nobody said start from scratch. You own the rights to all the software and you try to retain the most talented personnel. Then you update the creative suite and release an improved mac OS X and ipad multi-touch version.

Flash would be dead. But only Apple products would have the creative suite software.

Hey, I have seen Google, Yahoo and others pay more for less and do absolutely nothing with it. In this case, Apple would dominate the creative market.
 
Peace said:
I'm curious about who is going to code these iAds.

The developer ? An in-house team at Apple ? Outside ad agencies ?
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Generally, ad agencies. The same way ads on web sites are currently done.

On the web you have: advertiser -> ad network -> site.
On iPhone/iPad you have: advertiser -> Apple -> app
 
PeterQVenkman said:
Man, what happened to all of these cool upstart companies? When did they go from being the Rebellion to being the Empire?
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The scary thing to think about is what is the future of cool, upstart companies? How can you compete against a Google, who controls access to the world's information? Or Microsoft, who controls the world's computing environment? Or Apple, who dominates media and the mobile devices used to consume it? And they each want what the other two have?

Is there any future for upstarts at all? Or is technology the new oil industry or telecommunications industry where newcomers are no longer welcome nor allowed?
 
BaldiMac said:
Did you see the demo? It was just a static banner ad unless you tap it.
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I'm willing to bet money that in the future, an advertiser can pay more to have an ad automatically expand. Why? Because websites/ad networks have pricing tiers for that already.

:rolleyes: How is it in any way worse than the current situation with ads in apps?
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Any and all extra advertising on my iPod touch/iPad is worse for me. If apple makes it easier to put in ads, it sucks for us as a whole.



dicklacara said:
Actually, Flash poses no problems as a user (on a Mac)... With Click2Flash installed.
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Now we'll all need "Click-to-iAd!" ;)
 
AdrianWerner said:
It's not just about Flash, it's about trying to force devs to develop exclusively for iPhone/iPad.
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It doesn't force anyone to develop exclusively for any one platform. Many companies develop apps which natively use the APIs of multiple OSes (Adobe and MS for instances.) Some multiplatform 3D games are just a thin OS dependent wrapper around Open GL anyway.
 
LagunaSol said:
The scary thing to think about is what is the future of cool, upstart companies? How can you compete against a Google, who controls access to the world's information? Or Microsoft, who controls the world's computing environment? Or Apple, who dominates media and the mobile devices used to consume it? And they each want what the other two have?

Is there any future for upstarts at all? Or is technology the new oil industry or telecommunications industry where newcomers are no longer welcome nor allowed?
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Sure. For instance if I were a multi-millionaire, I would create a company and partner with one of the aforementioned companies to integrate their technologies in a traditionally low tech environment, such as homes.

If you think about it. Home automation is out there but builders mostly haven't scratched the surface of integrating it into homes, along with voice and facial recognition, and other smart home technologies. Certainly, it could at least be used as a nice product differentiator in high end homes but builders right now don't do anything like that because they don't need to. With the collapse of the US auto companies, I wouldn't be surprised to see Microsoft or one of these other companies go into the Car business as a way to expand their technologies into another environment.

In my mind, the living room is just a first step for these guys. As they grow, they might want to expand to the whole house, your car, where you shop, eat etc. Minority Report is coming, but if you aren't already a millionaire it would be pretty hard to do anything but create businesses that pick up these guys crumbs...
 
Daringescape said:
You dont seem to understand what the flash to iphone OS compiler does...

The apps would not be Flash, they would be translated into Cocoa touch and be just as "snappy" as other apps that you already have. - There are a lot of VERY talented Flash developers that could bring some great apps to the iphone and ipad with this tool.
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No. Flash apps packaged for the iphone would perform exactly the same as they would have in a Flash player except for the time spent by (and memory footprint of) the JIT compiler.

The data structures, display list rasterizer, audio mixer, time/memory used to execute compiled code are all the same for a compiled app as they would be through a player.

There's no magic to precompiling... Other than the comiling itself, the same amount of work needs to be done at runtime. Adobe could implement it in a way so that portions of Flash functionality that a particular app doesn't use would not be included in the compiled app. That would save memory over a flash plugin which would have to include everything.

One huge downside to flash iPhone apps is that they would not use native controls or have native look and feels. That can be OK for games if done well (not necessarily easy to do) but is unacceptable for other apps.
 
This would be an excellent time for Adobe to file a lawsuit against Apple for unfairly singling them out and trying to make their lives difficult through anti-competitive business practices.

The FCC forced cable companies to open up their networks to other cable companies and to landline phone companies, and it's about time the FCC get involved in Apple's unfair business practices against Adobe.

note: I have no financial interest in Adobe, but I am SICK AND TIRED of constantly trying to go to websites on my iPhone, only to find that my iPhone cannot access the website because it uses Flash player. In situations like this, the iPhone is USELESS. I then have to borrow one of my friends' cell phones to access websites.
 
iphones4evry1 said:
This would be an excellent time for Adobe to file a lawsuit against Apple for unfairly singling them out and trying to make their lives difficult through anti-competitive business practices.

The FCC forced cable companies to open up their networks to other cable companies and to landline phone companies, and it's about time the FCC get involved in Apple's unfair business practices against Adobe.

note: I have no financial interest in Adobe, but I am SICK AND TIRED of constantly trying to go to websites on my iPhone, only to find that my iPhone cannot access the website because it uses Flash player. In situations like this, the iPhone is USELESS. I then have to borrow one of my friends' cell phones to access websites.
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I don't think the FCC does this. It would be the FTC.
 
ddrueckhammer said:
Sure. For instance if I were a multi-millionaire, I would create a company and partner with one of the aforementioned companies to integrate their technologies in a traditionally low tech environment, such as homes.
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You're gonna need a lot more money - and you'll still have to worry that one of your "partners" is just going to steamroll you anyway.

Google and Apple were "partners" - until Google decided they didn't want to provide services to Apple mobile, they wanted mobile themselves.

Etc.
 
LagunaSol said:
You're gonna need a lot more money - and you'll still have to worry that one of your "partners" is just going to steamroll you anyway.

Google and Apple were "partners" - until Google decided they didn't want to provide services to Apple mobile, they wanted mobile themselves.

Etc.
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Thats possible but it might be a while before Apple/Google/MS get big enough that they decide they want to be in every business. Or it could be that rather than steamroll you, they just buy you if they wanted to be in that business which would be fine by me.
 
thetechnologist said:
I'm a huge fan Apple products, however, I believe they are asking for an anti-trust investigation in banning the use of Adobe's Flash-IPA converter tool and related development technologies. The isn't just spitting in the face of Adobe but all of the developers out there who don't have time in their busy work schedules to master Objective C just for one platform - there is nothing wrong with such code translators. My company (like many) has been building an iPhone/iPad app for months now in Flash for exportation with the Flash-to-ipa converter tool and, all of sudden, Apple renders it void out of spite towards Adobe. This would be like the US government banning the use of foreign language and interpreters in the US and only allowing citizens who speak native-level English to remain in the nation. Can you imagine the backlash? If a tech giant like Microsoft tried this on their platform, the courts would be all over this. Apple is taking it's ego too far in this decision and, for the first time, I hope someone steps in and slams them in court over their App Store approval practices (Adobe Converter Bans, Google Voice delay, Opera Mini delay, Web Albums HD pinch functionality, and many more). I don't understand how Apple has avoided litigation thus far.
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Yeah, the real shame here is that developers have been counting on this and now it isn't going to happen. Flash developers, Unity developers, etc. are all affected. Your company isn't the only one that will have to throw out a bunch of work. Apple really makes you toe the line.
 
I hate flash, but it has its place. I don't mind Apple taking a stand against it. Some have already pointed out the irony in Apple championing an open-standard solution, and yet people complain... because they like flash??? I don't get it.

Also, I am surprised no one has mentioned Cider. Take a look Windows games that were ported to the Mac using Cider... look at how well they run. Native is always going to be better. If you don't like it, you don't have to play. If you want a piece of the revenue pie, then play by the rules or go write for a platform that doesn't mind what you wrote your app in. No one said the iPhone was the only platform that supported apps.
 
macduke said:
It would be funny if Adobe just pulled all Mac apps, going PC only. Would designers switch? Doubt it, they would just live with CS4 until someone else comes out with something to replace it.
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Not a single designer in my area is using a Mac. ;)
I myself am the only one (using an older Mac mini), but I am in the process to switch to a PC.

No problem with software either, since, I can buy an crossgrade upgrade from Adobe.
 
iphones4evry1 said:
...I am SICK AND TIRED of constantly trying to go to websites on my iPhone, only to find that my iPhone cannot access the website because it uses Flash player. In situations like this, the iPhone is USELESS. I then have to borrow one of my friends' cell phones to access websites.
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Use a VNC and RDP app on your iPhone, remotely view Safari, Firefox or IE on your Mac, PC or VM in the "Cloud" (Citirx or VWMare). View flash web sites just fine (not movies though).
 
echoout said:
As I've said before, I love my Macs but Jobs IS the new Gates. Lame lame to disenfranchise so much of the creative community so arrogantly.
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No part of the creative community is involved with Adobe and their flash program/conversion project. None.

Flash exists as a wheel-chair for the creatively challenged.
 
bull crap

If Apple is going to do this then atleast allow phonegap 100% feature support

The people who are making this a "Die Flash win for html5" argument are showing their ignorance and it is really annoying.


1. This would converted the flash file to a native app. Does not put flash on the device.

2. The only way to make native apps and have 100% access to the SDK now is Objective-C. So no you cannot have use all the features if you are coding in html and javascript

They tout the hell out of html5. Well if it's so great let me create native apps that way and have full access to the SDK. Either that or let me do it in Action Script. I would like to use the languages I know.

Apple doing this is forcing developers to learn their programming language.
 
So, what, they'll just start demanding that all developers hand over their code, under the guise of 'verifying' the origin of the long-since-compiled code? With a royalty-free, transferrable, unlimited licence to use it for whatever they please, I assume.

Yeah, not impressed. AppStore is locked down and limited as things are -- demanding what languages are used to code an app in is over-the-top. As long as it sticks to the proper APIs, the end result is identical, no matter what the original source code is in. This is just petty.
 
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