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It sounds like you know more about this than me, but can't design be done on computers anywhere? Just seems like a lot of travel and CO2 emissions.

But Apple has so gotten into the habit of saying. "Your not looking at it right", or "Your not holding it right", "Your not storing it right", or some other "Your not right" clause that I suspect the suppliers want to have the employee in person just to get it right, at least if getting it right from Apple is still possible.
 
It sounds like you know more about this than me, but can't design be done on computers anywhere? Just seems like a lot of travel and CO2 emissions.

Theoretically yes. But things are just not the same when you are not there in person. Plus the contractor could literally tell you everything. It's much easier to inspect production faults when you are there. Communication is quicker.

I mean theoratically, there is no need for an HQ. Almost everyone could work at home (apart from the actual engineering teams - and I don't mean software enginering). There is a reason why people still go to work.
 
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What if I work for Apple and I *don't* want to fly United?

I suspect you can always book and pay for your own travel. It would no doubt cost a lot more money, though.
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My thoughts... Seriously... WHY? I can't imagine why one would fly United or Delta when there's a better alternative. So, basically, anything international. Frankly, whenever I book flights to the US I pay very close attention to make sure "operated by" says Lufthansa, Austrian, Swiss, KLM, AirFrance (...) but not an US airline.

Apple employees fly to many more locations than the top 10 listed in the story. No doubt dozens of locations in the US alone.

And...likely United has a contract with heavily discounted rates to all locations Apple employees travel to.

No doubt Apple contracted with United because it meets all of Apple's criteria; ie more destinations, more frequent flights, and for the best price.
 
It sounds like you know more about this than me, but can't design be done on computers anywhere? Just seems like a lot of travel and CO2 emissions.

I am baffled at the people posting here about Apple burning fuel and irresponsibly contributing to the CO2 load.

A. Those flights are happening anyway.

B. The teams need physical presence to verify quality, changes, etc. - this is not online education.

C. It is actual, physical production of a designed product.

D. This is not sending shrimp to Taiwan/South East Asia to devein and shell and then ship it back 10 timezones to save money at the local distributor because the cost of labor is high at home! Now, that is unnecessary CO2 emissions.
 
The “Apple should own a fleet” people are hilarious. “Buy some Gulfstreams.” Lol. Do you people have any idea what the range is of a typical business Jet? You can’t get a third of the way to Asia from SFO.

Not only that, they cost a fortune, don't have a lot of seats, expensive to maintain, Apple is not an airliner company-it's not what they do...amongst many more reasons.
 
wont happen.
Apple's still bitter they had the audacity to use the G5 moniker :D:p

Didn't Ives buy Jobs Gulfstream jet from Laureen?
I wonder if Apple reimburses him when he uses it for business related travel?
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why not just buy a few Gulfstreams and have a run away at the campus
Range is too short. But Apple could probably afford a few Boeing long range aircraft if United (et.al.) doesn't meet their needs.

I'm surprised that Apple and the hospital next door to the spaceship didn't cooperate to have a heli-pad zoned-in.
 
Dirty secret? Seriously? Such drama.

When your company manufactures, test, and ships 600,00+ iPhones every day (on the average), and has multiple R&D centers, along with multiple contact manufacturing sites with Apple employee representation, and many overseas engineering groups, 50 fights a day sounds very reasonable.

There are no other options if you need to be there. Video conferencing only works for limited situations. I suspect you are not aware of Apple's size.


Because too many R&D centres are in China they have to fly people there every day. They're using planes like a bus driving to another city. Planes add a lot of pollution in the upper atmosphere and using planes like a bus ride is not environmentally friendly.
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America doesn’t have the number of people needed or the skilled labor to do anything close to what Hon Hai is doing for Apple.

America could import these people to work in R&D centres in North America and "skilled labour" can remain in China.

"Skilled labour" can be developed in North America.
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Heads should roll - Apple should fire United and fly Singapore Airlines and Cathay Pacific only:p.
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I am sure you are joking! As McEnroe said, "You, cannot be serious!"

Hope you don't expect Apple to go back and forth by sailing ships.


I expect Apple to do more R&D and design in North America.
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Thank you anonymous internet poster. For a minute I almost believe the article supported with photos of United's marketing materials. Close call.
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50 per day according to the article
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Right they should be using hot air balloons instead.


No, they should fly much less and have more R&D and design in North America.
 
Try flying cattle class sometime. I am one of those people who supposedly do not exist according airlines: I got a blood clot in my leg on a flight in economy class, then it traveled to my lung and nearly killed me...

how did you know it was a clot versus just discomfort from sitting for so long?
 
I’m guessing the signs are meant for investors meeting and is confidential.

Someone is getting fired.
 
Because too many R&D centres are in China they have to fly people there every day. They're using planes like a bus driving to another city. Planes add a lot of pollution in the upper atmosphere and using planes like a bus ride is not environmentally friendly.
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America could import these people to work in R&D centres in North America and "skilled labour" can remain in China.

"Skilled labour" can be developed in North America.
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I expect Apple to do more R&D and design in North America.
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No, they should fly much less and have more R&D and design in North America.
No, they can’t be...not at this volume. It would take years and probably still not work.

And at the end of the day, why?
 
What non-sense; firstly no-one has ever said Samsung designs iPhone displays. They manufacture them to Apple's specifications on their machines, run by their people in their factories.

Or do you really believe Apple owns manufacturing factories, staffed by Apple employees renting machines from Samsung to produce iPhone screens?

I can't tell if you're just troilling.....
Apple doesn’t own manufacturing factories since they are huge liabilities once they become outdated. I am saying Apple engineers always have a presence on the ground.
 
Not only that, they cost a fortune, don't have a lot of seats, expensive to maintain, Apple is not an airliner company-it's not what they do...amongst many more reasons.
Why shouldn't they get into that business? Apple was not a media producing company either..an auto company either..a fashion brand either.. /s
 
Nice. I was commuting to Shanghai when I was with HP (usually through HKG or NRT since there weren't any direct flights at the time). We had a dedicated check-in counter at United SFO, but we also flew coach.
 
how did you know it was a clot versus just discomfort from sitting for so long?

Web-search or WebMD for "Deep Vein Thrombosis"!

It is a thing - a medical crisis that can and does kill. Prolonged bed stay, inactive legs cause blood moving too slowly or just stops and clots.

Serena Williams had this a couple of years ago, and almost died - long distance flight. Women on contraceptives and smokers are at higher risk, but it can get anyone.
 
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Why do they fly to London so much?

The others make sense in terms of suppliers and so on but Apple doesn't build anything in the UK, their only real presence here are the stores and Beats One.


Apple has 2500 employees at its UK headquarters in London and is building a new HQ. It also has more than one supplier HQ'd in London, research companies like Cambridge, and of course London is not only a hub, but the financial center of Europe.
 
Apple doesn’t own manufacturing factories since they are huge liabilities once they become outdated. I am saying Apple engineers always have a presence on the ground.
ermm no you didn't. This is a quote from you "Only the machines are Samsung owned" so if Samsung aren't providing the staff and Samsung aren't providing the factory who is making these mystial iPhone screens? (hint: you don't have to reply it's companies like Samsung)
 
True... but the planes are going there anyway.

Remember... Apple is buying 50 seats out of 300 on a plane.

United isn't making these flights just for Apple.

If companies relied more on video conferencing or even phone conference calls there would be many less flights required, contributing less to global warming and reliance on fossil fuels.

It's amazing to me that Apple hypes FaceTime but doesn't use it themselves. Flying 11 hours to shake hands and have one meeting is outdated and archaic. Do Apple employees wear blue suits to work every day and carry hard briefcases, paper day planners, and gold business card holders too?

It's hilarious that tech embraces HD video and virtual reality, but then wastes two days flying around the world for "face to face" business meetings.
 
I hated working for a large company (not Apple) and having to do these trips. Even with Business/First class the traveling get old quickly. These days one or two overseas trips a year is about my limit.

Agree. And overseas travel for business in coach is torture. There's a reason why most companies relent and allow bizclass seats, even though they're 3x the cost.
 
Nice. I was commuting to Shanghai when I was with HP (usually through HKG or NRT since there weren't any direct flights at the time). We had a dedicated check-in counter at United SFO, but we also flew coach.
My memories are when I had to fly to Tokyo to spend two 8-hour days giving all-day training and presenting to demanding and critical customers, and the VPs who just sit there and pick their fingernails and drink with the customer board Business Class while I'm in the back in Coach.
 
Isn’t customer account spend confidential?

"Consumer" account spend should be confidential yes. Publically traded and fully auditable conglomerates such as Apple, not so protected. Neither is United who is also publically traded and subject to declaring it's internal profitable clientele to its shareholders.
 
If companies relied more on video conferencing or even phone conference calls there would be many less flights required, contributing less to global warming and reliance on fossil fuels.

It's amazing to me that Apple hypes FaceTime but doesn't use it themselves. Flying 11 hours to shake hands and have one meeting is outdated and archaic. Do Apple employees wear blue suits to work every day and carry hard briefcases, paper day planners, and gold business card holders too?

It's hilarious that tech embraces HD video and virtual reality, but then wastes two days flying around the world for "face to face" business meetings.
Lol, you speak right out of your rectum there. You have no idea the proportion of time spent in video conference, phone time, and in face time. You also have no idea why they're flying to places and whether it's meaningful work or just handshakes as you imply.

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