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they couldn't make AirPower but they sure could make a brand new revolutionary battery...?


story is pure BS given the timing of Tesla being inserted into S&P500. sounds like a short seller trying to save itself
That is what everybody said when they released iPhone. See who is winning now.
 
Home chargers are usually an additional extra with the existing cars, right?
No, they all come with a charger that can plug into a standard US 110 wall outlet. Some let you add an adapter to plug into a 240v outlet.
 
This

Its called lobbying and earmarking

it’s called lobbying/earmarking
Well Tesla is doing a crap job of it. I guess Apple is going to wait until someone else fights the fight.

These states don't allow direct car sales.

These states seemed to have carved out provisions that allow Tesla (specifically) to sell direct
EDIT: Michigan is a tossup again because they recently passed legislation that would ban direct car sales and it may not exempt Tesla anymore.
 
As long as they don’t expect me to use my old tires so they can save the environment and the plug matches others. I’m sure it will be awesome though.
 
No, they all come with a charger that can plug into a standard US 110 wall outlet. Some let you add an adapter to plug into a 240v outlet.
Yes they do, but charging will be painfully slow at 115v. If you want an electric car you really need to factor in getting a 230v fast charger installed at your house.
 
How is Apple going to deal with franchised dealership laws?
Follow the same path that Tesla has...
Apple has masterfully NOT been a “first mover” since the iPod. They allow other firms to spend their resources on the sorts of things that the entrenched players fight the new comer and then offer better features ...
 
Follow the same path that Tesla has...
Apple has masterfully NOT been a “first mover” since the iPod. They allow other firms to spend their resources on the sorts of things that the entrenched players fight the new comer and then offer better features ...
At the rate Tesla is going with these legal battles I wouldn't expect Apple to sell a car in 2025 then, lol.
 
More importantly, how is Apple going to deal with the fact that no one anywhere wants self driving cars? Oh its a fine proof of concept for car shows and other gimmicks. But at the end of day, no one is interested in having their vehicle replaced with something that drives for them.
I am. It would be fantastic if my car could drive me anywhere while I'm reading a book or watching a movie. It would also be great if I could call my car to come pick me up, like Batman with the Bat Mobile. ;) It would also greatly improve mobility for people with disabilities or the elderly.
 
Apple builds premium products and charges even more.

So I would NOT expect this to be a car for the masses but an Apple MacPro of EV's. Really stunning but outrageously priced.
 
How is Apple going to deal with franchised dealership laws?
They don't need to just yet, they could build direct from overseas, and from the factory to you. All manufacturers have been trying to boot the dealership model for years, the problem is they have an established network. I would figure they would partner with some high end model, and ride on their coat tails, but this is speculative at this point, and nobody can guess what could happen. If this actually does happen, or not at this point.
 
Although I want nothing more than an Apple car... but I'm not sure if when it gets released, I'd be able to afford it. I mean at the current time, I'm still considering the Tesla a luxury. So when it does get released, I'll wait something like 5-7 years to buy for better price, and still pay an arm and a leg.
 
The main problem you have in this concept is that the big German/Japanese automakers are going solo , each big car "firm" is trying to win by themselves , giving Apple big money for each car sold doesnt seem like what those corpos are trying to do , at least today.

Also take few years back when Tesla just started , I read the SAME exact comments about "how can they compete with 50 years of industry experience" ,and other comments like that , same with Apple building phones to compete with blackberry and Nokia , now days it looks obvious to you and you use Tesla as peak electrical car as your reference , but it wasnt the case back then , give them a chance , and judge accordingly , there is no reason they cant build a good car , its not THAT complicated , its very streamlined these days and can be done on an automated production line unlike the good old days where you needed manual workers , getting good car designers is not an issue either and Apple shouldnt have problem attracting talent.

regarding issues with scale (wont have super charger network) - Apple are churning out 250 million phones in the biggest (by far) logistic operation in the tech world , on a yearly basis with no hiccups with great QA , they will know how to setup the manufacturing lines for whatever they decide to build , no worries there.

The only thing that might hamper them is the price , if they over engineer the car to a point they need to price it so high that avg joe cant buy it , it will be tricky , but they will probably go the homepod way , highend first, low end later.

I support them going about this 100% independently but Apple is not a car company and car companies have much bigger issues than phone companies. Apple can navigate the industry and has cash to do it, I just see this as a shareholder as a huge distraction for them. if they were making a licensable platform, sure but to create an Apple Care, Truck, SUV, Crossover, deploy 500,000 charging stations, stand up 'showrooms' handle support, service, warranty, comply with DOT and NHTSA standards, financing....it's fine. Go for it, I'm not going to stop them but man what a money sink if they don't crack 1% market share. The phone in 2007 was a way lower investment than bringing a car to market.
 
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The stock price is so far removed from the software updates it's not even funny.
You are right.
Tesla stock is not based in reality. It's complete hype.
If they were treated like GM, Ford and others, their stock would have tanked long ago; quality problems, production issues, etc...
Let GM have one issue, with one car line and the sky is falling.
A Tesla Model 3 costs 2x out the door than a Chevy Bolt and it's not 2x the car.
I had a 2017 Bolt and now have a 2020 Bolt. Hands down a better car in terns of fit and finish.
 
That would be a question of scale no? If Tesla could sell the same number of cars (suv/truck whatever) as Apple sells wearables they would be rolling in dough as well.

Shoot the whole auto market in the US averages ~16 million vehicles a year, which I am sure Apple sells more watch straps than that in a quarter. Getting folks to buy a (on average) $35,000 vehicle at a rate of 16 million of them is pretty impressive, no?
And speaking of scale. Tesla with their massive battery gigafactories is having trouble keeping up with demand. Where would Apple get batteries at that scale IF they can actually sell at scale? Then there is the issue of rare earth minerals, environmental concerns. The list of issues to overcome, much less whether it is a worthwhile effort for Apple to stick its neck out on is lengthy.
But if anyone can figure it out, is Apple with its deep pockets.
 
Although I want nothing more than an Apple car... but I'm not sure if when it gets released, I'd be able to afford it. I mean at the current time, I'm still considering the Tesla a luxury. So when it does get released, I'll wait something like 5-7 years to buy for better price, and still pay an arm and a leg.
Totally agree it will be stunning but outrageously priced. The Apple way.
 
They are heading to make all cars public transport. You don’t own one, just rent/hire one for when you need it. It drives itself to your door, you have it for as long as you need for your purpose, then it drives itself back to base. If you fell asleep inside it, tough! 😆
 
all i can think of is heading out to go to work in the morning and finding out a software update has bricked my car
 
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I support them going about this 100% independently but Apple is not a car company and car companies have much bigger issues than phone companies. Apple can navigate the industry and has cash to do it, I just see this as a shareholder as a huge distraction for them. if they were making a licensable platform, sure but to create an Apple Care, Truck, SUV, Crossover, deploy 500,000 charging stations, stand up 'showrooms' handle support, service, warranty, comply with DOT and NHTSA standards, financing....it's fine. Go for it, I'm not going to stop them but man what a money sink if they don't crack 1% market share. The phone in 2007 was a way lower investment than bringing a car to market.
Good points and I fully agree , this has a potential to be the biggest money sink in Apple`s history , I would think that licensing out is the opposite as to how Apple does things , but maybe there will be a different take on this from them, the problem is that I don't see the automakers biting on this , as Apple will want a big part of the BOM for their platform , and I suspect it will eat up ALOT of the margins on their sales which is why everyone are trying to do it themselves to save costs , but if Tesla will just continue to plow ahead and they can't catch up , they might have it in their best interest to get the "Apple Kit" which they know will continue to be upgraded and improved over the years and maybe on the side develop a good replacement (same way Apple does it , buy buy buy until you have a good in-house replacement).

Apple issue with this approach (the "Apple kit") will be no doubt Google , Google will just give it away for free for being the only computer in the car , that for them is the win as they can grab all the information that they need (same as phones).
 
Good points and I fully agree , this has a potential to be the biggest money sink in Apple`s history , I would think that licensing out is the opposite as to how Apple does things , but maybe there will be a different take on this from them, the problem is that I don't see the automakers biting on this , as Apple will want a big part of the BOM for their platform , and I suspect it will eat up ALOT of the margins on their sales which is why everyone are trying to do it themselves to save costs , but if Tesla will just continue to plow ahead and they can't catch up , they might have it in their best interest to get the "Apple Kit" which they know will continue to be upgraded and improved over the years and maybe on the side develop a good replacement (same way Apple does it , buy buy buy until you have a good in-house replacement).

Apple issue with this approach (the "Apple kit") will be no doubt Google , Google will just give it away for free for being the only computer in the car , that for them is the win as they can grab all the information that they need (same as phones).

..and if they make one that fits my needs, I'll buy one. I Love Apple products and hope they can pull it off.
 
You are right.
Tesla stock is not based in reality. It's complete hype.
If they were treated like GM, Ford and others, their stock would have tanked long ago; quality problems, production issues, etc...
Let GM have one issue, with one car line and the sky is falling.
A Tesla Model 3 costs 2x out the door than a Chevy Bolt and it's not 2x the car.
I had a 2017 Bolt and now have a 2020 Bolt. Hands down a better car in terns of fit and finish.
  • A Model 3 SR+ costs $37,900 (before taxes) with the Bolt starting at $36,500, that is not 2x no matter how you do the math.
  • Tech wise I would take a Model 3 over a Bolt anyday for the following reasons:
    • Access to the Supercharging network, I can go pretty much anywhere in the country with this car in half the time as I would with a Bolt
    • Drivetrain - The model 3 has the most efficient drivetrain out there, bar none
    • Technology - The display and constant addition of new functionality via OTA udpates eclipses anything Chevy has done with the Bolt even between their different year models. This is thew new standard for the auto industry and Chevy is still trying to figure this out.
    • Performance - If I'm spending ~$40k on a car it might as well be fun and not slower than a Camry
    • Fit & Finish - I got my model 3 back in 2018 during the mad rush and had 0 fit & finish issues. I keep close tabs on new owners in the local owner groups and the fit & finish continues to beat anything I've seen from the plastic-thirsty products GM pumps out.
    • Aesthetics
I could on however it must be called out not everybody can afford a ~$40k vehicle however if I'm spending that much on a vehicle the choice is obivous. When you openly lie about things being 2x the cost you show your own ignorance and GM fanboism.

Cheers!
 
I can just imagine it now: "I'm sorry sir, but the indicators are red. You've exposed your car to water. I will have to deny warranty coverage."
 
Good question. I bet subscription based.
Wow, a subscription to a whole fleet? Or a personal car to own like a lease? A driverless ride service?

Siri could know you when are going to need a ride from the restaurant and plan a cleaned charged car to pick us up at just the right time and drop us off at home, play our music, without us even thinking about it.
 
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